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Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-01 by adematteo

Hey guys, I would like to build a stereo version of the res. eq.
The idea would be to build a desktop box that i can run my master bus from my mixer through.

I was wondering if anyone could offer any practical advice as far as getting close to the same response from both boards ?

At first thought i was going to use dual gang pots but then have read the tolerances between the 2 sections can be 10-20 % different.
Do you guys know of any other affordable solutions ?

I assumed to match all the caps in the filter sections.Other than that and the pots i figured this should be doable for a reasonable cost but maybe i'm dreaming ?

Thanks for any insight you guys can share.

-Tony

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-01 by cg_synth

Thoughts:

You could make some "switched attenuators" instead of using pots - basically
dual gang rotary switches with 1% resistors between each step. That of
course gets very expensive.

You could buy a few pots and test them, and see how bad they really are.
Maybe you can pic the best.

Maybe it would be better if each channel could be adjusted individually anyway.

Ken
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>Hey guys, I would like to build a stereo version of the res. eq.
>The idea would be to build a desktop box that i can run my master bus from
my mixer through.
>
>I was wondering if anyone could offer any practical advice as far as
getting close to the same response from both boards ?
>
>At first thought i was going to use dual gang pots but then have read the
tolerances between the 2 sections can be 10-20 % different.
>Do you guys know of any other affordable solutions ?
>
>I assumed to match all the caps in the filter sections.Other than that and
the pots i figured this should be doable for a reasonable cost but maybe i'm
dreaming ?
>
>Thanks for any insight you guys can share.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-01 by adematteo

Individual control over left and right may be the most economical way to go but i think i will order a hand full and do as you suggest to see just how off they are.

Thanks Ken, all food for thought.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> Thoughts:
>
> You could make some "switched attenuators" instead of using pots - basically
> dual gang rotary switches with 1% resistors between each step. That of
> course gets very expensive.
>
> You could buy a few pots and test them, and see how bad they really are.
> Maybe you can pic the best.
>
> Maybe it would be better if each channel could be adjusted individually anyway.
>
> Ken
>
> >Hey guys, I would like to build a stereo version of the res. eq.
> >The idea would be to build a desktop box that i can run my master bus from
> my mixer through.
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone could offer any practical advice as far as
> getting close to the same response from both boards ?
> >
> >At first thought i was going to use dual gang pots but then have read the
> tolerances between the 2 sections can be 10-20 % different.
> >Do you guys know of any other affordable solutions ?
> >
> >I assumed to match all the caps in the filter sections.Other than that and
> the pots i figured this should be doable for a reasonable cost but maybe i'm
> dreaming ?
> >
> >Thanks for any insight you guys can share.
> >
> >-Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-01 by Loscha

If you wired up the two resistive elements across, say, a 9v battery,
and then hooked each of the sweeping legs across both channels of a
scope, you'd get a pretty accurate measurement of the two tapers.

/ErJ
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On 4/2/13, adematteo <adematteo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Individual control over left and right may be the most economical way to go
> but i think i will order a hand full and do as you suggest to see just how
> off they are.
>
> Thanks Ken, all food for thought.
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>>
>> Thoughts:
>>
>> You could make some "switched attenuators" instead of using pots -
>> basically
>> dual gang rotary switches with 1% resistors between each step. That of
>> course gets very expensive.
>>
>> You could buy a few pots and test them, and see how bad they really are.
>> Maybe you can pic the best.
>>
>> Maybe it would be better if each channel could be adjusted individually
>> anyway.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> >Hey guys, I would like to build a stereo version of the res. eq.
>> >The idea would be to build a desktop box that i can run my master bus
>> > from
>> my mixer through.
>> >
>> >I was wondering if anyone could offer any practical advice as far as
>> getting close to the same response from both boards ?
>> >
>> >At first thought i was going to use dual gang pots but then have read
>> > the
>> tolerances between the 2 sections can be 10-20 % different.
>> >Do you guys know of any other affordable solutions ?
>> >
>> >I assumed to match all the caps in the filter sections.Other than that
>> > and
>> the pots i figured this should be doable for a reasonable cost but maybe
>> i'm
>> dreaming ?
>> >
>> >Thanks for any insight you guys can share.
>> >
>> >-Tony
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------------
>> >
>> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
>
>
>


--
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Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-01 by cg_synth

>If you wired up the two resistive elements across, say, a 9v battery,
>and then hooked each of the sweeping legs across both channels of a
>scope, you'd get a pretty accurate measurement of the two tapers.

A plain old multimeter would do. You want the voltage between the two wipers
to stay at zero.

Ken

_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-01 by Loscha

That is a bit more elegant than my idea.
Maybe try that one first!
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On 4/2/13, sasami@... <sasami@...> wrote:
>>If you wired up the two resistive elements across, say, a 9v battery,
>>and then hooked each of the sweeping legs across both channels of a
>>scope, you'd get a pretty accurate measurement of the two tapers.
>
> A plain old multimeter would do. You want the voltage between the two
> wipers
> to stay at zero.
>
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>


--
www.loscha.com

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-04-03 by adematteo

Great tip Ken,thanks.

The more i think about it, it might be nice to have individual control over both sides so i'm still deciding which way to go.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Loscha <loscha@...> wrote:
>
> That is a bit more elegant than my idea.
> Maybe try that one first!
>
> On 4/2/13, sasami@... <sasami@...> wrote:
> >>If you wired up the two resistive elements across, say, a 9v battery,
> >>and then hooked each of the sweeping legs across both channels of a
> >>scope, you'd get a pretty accurate measurement of the two tapers.
> >
> > A plain old multimeter would do. You want the voltage between the two
> > wipers
> > to stay at zero.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
> > Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> > Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> www.loscha.com
>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-06-26 by adematteo

Well, i built it and for anyone interested i put i pic up in the photo's section.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/photos/album/1538675616/pic/1794994871/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Thanks so much Ken 1) for doing these boards and 2) for your suggestion of doing 2 separate controls for each band,you can create some really cool imaging in the stereo field.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Loscha <loscha@...> wrote:
>
> If you wired up the two resistive elements across, say, a 9v battery,
> and then hooked each of the sweeping legs across both channels of a
> scope, you'd get a pretty accurate measurement of the two tapers.
>
> /ErJ
>
> On 4/2/13, adematteo <adematteo@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Individual control over left and right may be the most economical way to go
> > but i think i will order a hand full and do as you suggest to see just how
> > off they are.
> >
> > Thanks Ken, all food for thought.
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@ wrote:
> >>
> >> Thoughts:
> >>
> >> You could make some "switched attenuators" instead of using pots -
> >> basically
> >> dual gang rotary switches with 1% resistors between each step. That of
> >> course gets very expensive.
> >>
> >> You could buy a few pots and test them, and see how bad they really are.
> >> Maybe you can pic the best.
> >>
> >> Maybe it would be better if each channel could be adjusted individually
> >> anyway.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> >Hey guys, I would like to build a stereo version of the res. eq.
> >> >The idea would be to build a desktop box that i can run my master bus
> >> > from
> >> my mixer through.
> >> >
> >> >I was wondering if anyone could offer any practical advice as far as
> >> getting close to the same response from both boards ?
> >> >
> >> >At first thought i was going to use dual gang pots but then have read
> >> > the
> >> tolerances between the 2 sections can be 10-20 % different.
> >> >Do you guys know of any other affordable solutions ?
> >> >
> >> >I assumed to match all the caps in the filter sections.Other than that
> >> > and
> >> the pots i figured this should be doable for a reasonable cost but maybe
> >> i'm
> >> dreaming ?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for any insight you guys can share.
> >> >
> >> >-Tony
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________________________________
> >> Ken Stone sasami@ otherunicorn@
> >> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
> >> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> www.loscha.com
>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-06-26 by cg_synth

Looks very nice!

Ken

>
>Well, i built it and for anyone interested i put i pic up in the photo's
section.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/photos/album/1538675616/pic/
1794994871/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
>
>Thanks so much Ken 1) for doing these boards and 2) for your suggestion of
doing 2 separate controls for each band,you can create some really cool
imaging in the stereo field.
>
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Loscha <loscha@...> wrote:
>>
>> If you wired up the two resistive elements across, say, a 9v battery,
>> and then hooked each of the sweeping legs across both channels of a
>> scope, you'd get a pretty accurate measurement of the two tapers.
>>
>> /ErJ
>>
>> On 4/2/13, adematteo <adematteo@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Individual control over left and right may be the most economical way to go
>> > but i think i will order a hand full and do as you suggest to see just how
>> > off they are.
>> >
>> > Thanks Ken, all food for thought.
>> >
>> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts:
>> >>
>> >> You could make some "switched attenuators" instead of using pots -
>> >> basically
>> >> dual gang rotary switches with 1% resistors between each step. That of
>> >> course gets very expensive.
>> >>
>> >> You could buy a few pots and test them, and see how bad they really are.
>> >> Maybe you can pic the best.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe it would be better if each channel could be adjusted individually
>> >> anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Ken
>> >>
>> >> >Hey guys, I would like to build a stereo version of the res. eq.
>> >> >The idea would be to build a desktop box that i can run my master bus
>> >> > from
>> >> my mixer through.
>> >> >
>> >> >I was wondering if anyone could offer any practical advice as far as
>> >> getting close to the same response from both boards ?
>> >> >
>> >> >At first thought i was going to use dual gang pots but then have read
>> >> > the
>> >> tolerances between the 2 sections can be 10-20 % different.
>> >> >Do you guys know of any other affordable solutions ?
>> >> >
>> >> >I assumed to match all the caps in the filter sections.Other than that
>> >> > and
>> >> the pots i figured this should be doable for a reasonable cost but maybe
>> >> i'm
>> >> dreaming ?
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks for any insight you guys can share.
>> >> >
>> >> >-Tony
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> _______________________________________________________________________
>> >> Ken Stone sasami@ otherunicorn@
>> >> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
>> >> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> www.loscha.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-06-27 by xiphiguy@frontier.com

The front panel looks very nice! Did you do that part yourself?
~Terry
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "adematteo" <adematteo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well, i built it and for anyone interested i put i pic up in the photo's section.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/photos/album/1538675616/pic/1794994871/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
>
> Thanks so much Ken 1) for doing these boards and 2) for your suggestion of doing 2 separate controls for each band,you can create some really cool imaging in the stereo field.

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-06-27 by adematteo

Hi Terry,
I did do the front panel.It's made out of birch plywood that's 1/8" thick.I was planning on doing it in aluminum but got a bit nervous about routing out the aluminum so tried it with the wood first to see if the jig i made was working correctly and realized once i mounted the sliders it provided enough strength so just went with it.

Thanks for the nice replies guys !
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "xiphiguy@..." <xiphiguy@...> wrote:
>
> The front panel looks very nice! Did you do that part yourself?
> ~Terry
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "adematteo" <adematteo@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, i built it and for anyone interested i put i pic up in the photo's section.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/photos/album/1538675616/pic/1794994871/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
> >
> > Thanks so much Ken 1) for doing these boards and 2) for your suggestion of doing 2 separate controls for each band,you can create some really cool imaging in the stereo field.
>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-06-28 by xiphiguy@frontier.com

Would you be willing to post photos of how you accomplished cutting the slots so accurately with your router and jig? I had assumed this would be impossible to do without professional level equipment.
~Terry
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "adematteo" <adematteo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Terry,
> I did do the front panel.It's made out of birch plywood that's 1/8" thick.I was planning on doing it in aluminum but got a bit nervous about routing out the aluminum so tried it with the wood first to see if the jig i made was working correctly and realized once i mounted the sliders it provided enough strength so just went with it.
>
> Thanks for the nice replies guys !
>
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "xiphiguy@" <xiphiguy@> wrote:
> >
> > The front panel looks very nice! Did you do that part yourself?
> > ~Terry
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "adematteo" <adematteo@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, i built it and for anyone interested i put i pic up in the photo's section.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/photos/album/1538675616/pic/1794994871/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
> > >
> > > Thanks so much Ken 1) for doing these boards and 2) for your suggestion of doing 2 separate controls for each band,you can create some really cool imaging in the stereo field.
> >
>

Re: Stero version of CGS 202 resonant eq

2013-06-30 by adematteo

Sure Terry, i sent you a message in your email.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "xiphiguy@..." <xiphiguy@...> wrote:
>
> Would you be willing to post photos of how you accomplished cutting the slots so accurately with your router and jig? I had assumed this would be impossible to do without professional level equipment.
> ~Terry
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "adematteo" <adematteo@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Terry,
> > I did do the front panel.It's made out of birch plywood that's 1/8" thick.I was planning on doing it in aluminum but got a bit nervous about routing out the aluminum so tried it with the wood first to see if the jig i made was working correctly and realized once i mounted the sliders it provided enough strength so just went with it.
> >
> > Thanks for the nice replies guys !
> >
> >
> > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "xiphiguy@" <xiphiguy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The front panel looks very nice! Did you do that part yourself?
> > > ~Terry
> > >
> > > --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "adematteo" <adematteo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, i built it and for anyone interested i put i pic up in the photo's section.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/photos/album/1538675616/pic/1794994871/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
> > > >
> > > > Thanks so much Ken 1) for doing these boards and 2) for your suggestion of doing 2 separate controls for each band,you can create some really cool imaging in the stereo field.
> > >
> >
>

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