Tube VCA / Timbral Gate
2007-03-11 by kidkrazy58
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2007-03-11 by kidkrazy58
2007-03-12 by Mark
>Is there any substitutes that would work for that module cause i cantI do not know if there are any other substitute besides the one
>find that russian tube and i really want to make it very badley, it
>looks beutifull!! the more subs that you might know of the better
>chance i can find it and make it, thanks for the help.
2007-03-12 by sasami@hotkey.net.au
>Has anyone found any data sheets on these tubes??Only in russian!
>I found this pageIt looks like it is the same tube.
>for a "1Zh24B" which I am guessing is the same as a 1SH24B:
>http://www.russiantubes.com/prop.php?t=12&p=7
>Unfortunately, it doesn't show the pinouts.Yes it does.
>Does anyone know whatShield.
>pin 3 does?? I am unfamiliar with the symbol in the CGS 65 schematic.
2007-03-12 by bbluthang
--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
> On 3/11/07, kidkrazy58 put forth:
> >Is there any substitutes that would work for that module cause i cant
> >find that russian tube and i really want to make it very badley, it
> >looks beutifull!! the more subs that you might know of the better
> >chance i can find it and make it, thanks for the help.
>
> I do not know if there are any other substitute besides the one
> listed at the CGS website, which mentions the 1J17B with a slight
> modification.
>
> After doing a web search, I found that they are available from a
> couple of European vendors and on Ebay.
>
>
> Has anyone found any data sheets on these tubes?? I found this page
> for a "1Zh24B" which I am guessing is the same as a 1SH24B:
>
> http://www.russiantubes.com/prop.php?t=12&p=7
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't show the pinouts. Does anyone know what
> pin 3 does?? I am unfamiliar with the symbol in the CGS 65 schematic.
>
>
> I also found this data sheet, complete with what I imagine are E/i
curves:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/rhapidophyllum/1j24b.gif
>
> There also several other PDF's here:
>
> http://mitglied.lycos.de/bk4/tubes.htm
>
> However, I cannot understand them because I do not speak Russian or
German.
>
2007-03-13 by Mark
>There should be many tubes that can be used in this cct.That's very interesting, since that tube is listed as a diode pentode.
>I use a 1AG5, changed some resistors, different pinout, maybe it
>doesn't sound the same as Ken's but it certainly works.
>Look for pentodes with 1.2V (1.25V ok too!) directly heated cathodesThanks, there is some very useful information there.
>and other similar specs on this list -
>http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/penciltubes.html
> >http://www.russiantubes.com/prop.php?t=12&p=7Yes, you are correct. I just didn't know what the dashed line for pin
>
> >Unfortunately, it doesn't show the pinouts.
>
>Yes it does.
>>Does anyone know what pin 3 does?? I am unfamiliar with the symbolThanks :)
>>in the CGS 65 schematic.
>
>Shield.
2007-03-14 by ryan williams
On 3/12/07, bbluthang <jumpswine@...> wrote:
>
> There should be many tubes that can be used in this cct.
> I use a 1AG5, changed some resistors, different pinout, maybe it
> doesn't sound the same as Ken's but it certainly works.
>
> Look for pentodes with 1.2V (1.25V ok too!) directly heated cathodes
> and other similar specs on this list -
> http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/penciltubes.html<http://pw2.netcom.com/%7Ewa2ise/radios/penciltubes.html>
> andrew
> .
>
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2007-03-14 by sasami@hotkey.net.au
>when the plate voltage is listed as 45V, is it ok to run 30V? how would youVoltages specified are usually MAXIMUM voltages, so running a 45V plate at
>determine the range of acceptable voltages?
2007-03-14 by Ben Stuyts
On 14 Mar 2007, at 20:26, ryan williams wrote:
> anyone know of any books or deccent web sites on tube circuit
> design? i want
> to see all the math and models and what not. I have a little bit
> from a text
> book written in the 60s but its not great.
I found this site a while ago with tons of scanned books about
electonics from the 1930's, 1940's etc: <http://www.pmillett.com/
tecnical_books_online.htm>
For example:
"Theory and Applications of Electron tubes, Herbert Reich, 2nd
edition 1941, 716 pages
If there's one book that will bust my website's bandwidth limits,
this may be it. 716 pages of vacuum tube theory, this may be THE
best book about vacuum tubes. Detailed, complete with plenty of math
and drawings. Covers how tubes work and how to design circuits
around them, with chapters on class A/AB1 and AB2/B amplifier design,
power supplies, and more!"
With kind regards,
Ben
2007-03-15 by bbluthang
--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Ben Stuyts <ben@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> On 14 Mar 2007, at 20:26, ryan williams wrote:
>
> > anyone know of any books or deccent web sites on tube circuit
> > design? i want
> > to see all the math and models and what not. I have a little bit
> > from a text
> > book written in the 60s but its not great.
>
> I found this site a while ago with tons of scanned books about
> electonics from the 1930's, 1940's etc: <http://www.pmillett.com/
> tecnical_books_online.htm>
>
> For example:
>
> "Theory and Applications of Electron tubes, Herbert Reich, 2nd
> edition 1941, 716 pages
> If there's one book that will bust my website's bandwidth limits,
> this may be it. 716 pages of vacuum tube theory, this may be THE
> best book about vacuum tubes. Detailed, complete with plenty of math
> and drawings. Covers how tubes work and how to design circuits
> around them, with chapters on class A/AB1 and AB2/B amplifier design,
> power supplies, and more!"
>
> With kind regards,
> Ben
>
2007-03-15 by ryan williams
On 3/14/07, Ben Stuyts <ben@...> wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> On 14 Mar 2007, at 20:26, ryan williams wrote:
>
> > anyone know of any books or deccent web sites on tube circuit
> > design? i want
> > to see all the math and models and what not. I have a little bit
> > from a text
> > book written in the 60s but its not great.
>
> I found this site a while ago with tons of scanned books about
> electonics from the 1930's, 1940's etc: <http://www.pmillett.com/
> tecnical_books_online.htm>
>
> For example:
>
> "Theory and Applications of Electron tubes, Herbert Reich, 2nd
> edition 1941, 716 pages
> If there's one book that will bust my website's bandwidth limits,
> this may be it. 716 pages of vacuum tube theory, this may be THE
> best book about vacuum tubes. Detailed, complete with plenty of math
> and drawings. Covers how tubes work and how to design circuits
> around them, with chapters on class A/AB1 and AB2/B amplifier design,
> power supplies, and more!"
>
> With kind regards,
> Ben
>
>
2007-03-16 by kidkrazy58
--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "bbluthang" <jumpswine@...> wrote:
>
> I set up a Yahoo group for storing and sharing tube schematics (for
> synths) last year.
> if you are keen on building or dreaming about building a tube
synth,
> please join -
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tubesynthdiy/
>
> There is already plenty in the files section to get you started
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Ben Stuyts <ben@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ryan,
> >
> > On 14 Mar 2007, at 20:26, ryan williams wrote:
> >
> > > anyone know of any books or deccent web sites on tube circuit
> > > design? i want
> > > to see all the math and models and what not. I have a little
bit
> > > from a text
> > > book written in the 60s but its not great.
> >
> > I found this site a while ago with tons of scanned books about
> > electonics from the 1930's, 1940's etc:
<http://www.pmillett.com/
> > tecnical_books_online.htm>
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > "Theory and Applications of Electron tubes, Herbert Reich, 2nd
> > edition 1941, 716 pages
> > If there's one book that will bust my website's bandwidth
limits,
> > this may be it. 716 pages of vacuum tube theory, this may be
THE
> > best book about vacuum tubes. Detailed, complete with plenty of
math
> > and drawings. Covers how tubes work and how to design circuits
> > around them, with chapters on class A/AB1 and AB2/B amplifier
design,
> > power supplies, and more!"
> >
> > With kind regards,
> > Ben
> >
>
2008-08-18 by melodayage
2008-08-19 by Dave Kendall
On Aug 18, 2008, at 19:57, melodayage wrote:
> hey guys. newbie questions: how big is the pcb of the Tube VCA/Timbral
> Gate? Will it fit the eurorack format? any potential problems of
> mouting and running it with a eurorack modules/doepfer power supply?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
2008-08-19 by Luigi
2008-08-20 by jared
On Aug 18, 2008, at 19:57, melodayage wrote:
> hey guys. newbie questions: how big is the pcb of the Tube VCA/Timbral
> Gate? Will it fit the eurorack format? any potential problems of
> mouting and running it with a eurorack modules/doepfer power supply?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
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2008-08-20 by jared
On Aug 18, 2008, at 19:57, melodayage wrote:
> hey guys. newbie questions: how big is the pcb of the Tube VCA/Timbral
> Gate? Will it fit the eurorack format? any potential problems of
> mouting and running it with a eurorack modules/doepfer power supply?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-08-20 by Mark
>So you have yours modded for euro rack? Would you, or anyone else, mindThere are photos, as well as my mods, in various threads on the CGS
>sending photos? That would be of great help.
>I can't seem to find any audio clips/examples of either..i'd love to hearThere also might be audio clips on that forum, and on Richard
>what it sounds like before I venture into the build.
2008-08-20 by Dave Kendall
On Aug 20, 2008, at 02:53, jared wrote:
> Great, thanks Dave!
>
> So you have yours modded for euro rack? Would you, or anyone else,
> mind
> sending photos? That would be of great help.
>
> I can't seem to find any audio clips/examples of either..i'd love to
> hear
> what it sounds like before I venture into the build.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> jared
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Dave Kendall
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:03 AM
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Tube VCA / Timbral Gate
>
> It's longer than will fit vertically behind a eurorack module, but can
> be cut in half and the connections re-joined. The pads are already on
> the board for this very purpose.
> I just mounted mine horizontally on an "L" bracket.
>
> PS - Do fit a feedback pot as suggested by Ken on the CGS site. It's
> well worth it ;-)
>
> cheers,
> Dave
>
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 19:57, melodayage wrote:
>
> > hey guys. newbie questions: how big is the pcb of the Tube
> VCA/Timbral
> > Gate? Will it fit the eurorack format? any potential problems of
> > mouting and running it with a eurorack modules/doepfer power supply?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
2008-08-20 by data2action
--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "jared" <microcosm11@...> wrote:
>
> Great, thanks Dave!
>
>
>
> So you have yours modded for euro rack? Would you, or anyone else, mind
> sending photos? That would be of great help.
>
>
>
> I can't seem to find any audio clips/examples of either..i'd love to
hear
> what it sounds like before I venture into the build.
>
>
>
> Thanks much,
>
>
>
> jared
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Dave Kendall
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:03 AM
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Tube VCA / Timbral Gate
>
>
>
> It's longer than will fit vertically behind a eurorack module, but can
> be cut in half and the connections re-joined. The pads are already on
> the board for this very purpose.
> I just mounted mine horizontally on an "L" bracket.
>
> PS - Do fit a feedback pot as suggested by Ken on the CGS site. It's
> well worth it ;-)
>
> cheers,
> Dave
>
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 19:57, melodayage wrote:
>
> > hey guys. newbie questions: how big is the pcb of the Tube VCA/Timbral
> > Gate? Will it fit the eurorack format? any potential problems of
> > mouting and running it with a eurorack modules/doepfer power supply?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
2008-08-20 by jared
>hear
> Great, thanks Dave!
>
>
>
> So you have yours modded for euro rack? Would you, or anyone else, mind
> sending photos? That would be of great help.
>
>
>
> I can't seem to find any audio clips/examples of either..i'd love to
> what it sounds like before I venture into the build.[mailto:cgs_synth@yahoogrou <mailto:cgs_synth%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com]
>
>
>
> Thanks much,
>
>
>
> jared
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cgs_synth@yahoogrou <mailto:cgs_synth%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
> Of Dave Kendall[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:03 AM
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogrou <mailto:cgs_synth%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Tube VCA / Timbral Gate
>
>
>
> It's longer than will fit vertically behind a eurorack module, but can
> be cut in half and the connections re-joined. The pads are already on
> the board for this very purpose.
> I just mounted mine horizontally on an "L" bracket.
>
> PS - Do fit a feedback pot as suggested by Ken on the CGS site. It's
> well worth it ;-)
>
> cheers,
> Dave
>
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 19:57, melodayage wrote:
>
> > hey guys. newbie questions: how big is the pcb of the Tube VCA/Timbral
> > Gate? Will it fit the eurorack format? any potential problems of
> > mouting and running it with a eurorack modules/doepfer power supply?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
2008-08-20 by Richard Brewster
> On 8/19/08, jared put forth:
>
>> So you have yours modded for euro rack? Would you, or anyone else, mind
>> sending photos? That would be of great help.
>>
>
> There are photos, as well as my mods, in various threads on the CGS
> forum on electro-music.com. Also, afaik, if you build a dual unit in
> Eurorack format, there is panel space for bias knobs.
>
>
>> I can't seem to find any audio clips/examples of either..i'd love to hear
>> what it sounds like before I venture into the build.
>>
>
> There also might be audio clips on that forum, and on Richard
> Brewster's website.
>
>
>
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>
2008-08-20 by jared
> On 8/19/08, jared put forth:<http://www.cgs.synth.net/> synth.net/
>
>> So you have yours modded for euro rack? Would you, or anyone else, mind
>> sending photos? That would be of great help.
>>
>
> There are photos, as well as my mods, in various threads on the CGS
> forum on electro-music.com. Also, afaik, if you build a dual unit in
> Eurorack format, there is panel space for bias knobs.
>
>
>> I can't seem to find any audio clips/examples of either..i'd love to hear
>> what it sounds like before I venture into the build.
>>
>
> There also might be audio clips on that forum, and on Richard
> Brewster's website.
>
>
>
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