Analogue-sequencer

Hi P3ers! It seems that my service for  cnc engraving and routing 
Hammond desktop cases for  the P3 is proving popular. In the past 
people have purchased the cases themselves and then posted them on 
to me for engineering. If there is sufficient interest..a better 
solution (which saves on postal costs and time) might be for me to 
order a bunch of cases from Onboard Electronics in the UK and then
pass on finished units to people. The service will cost £30 + the 
cost of the hammond case but includes P&P to you within the UK. 
Please note that I can now 'route out' the LCD cutout with my 
machine..which produces a much cleaner cut than by hand. Also this 
price includes (engraved) rear sockets for midi/power.

Please email me off list if you are interested.

cheers 
steve thomas

> 
> Can you show me an example of such a case and your work?

Robert,

Check out Paul Maddox's, Cikira's and my case in the photo section of this group for 
examples of Steve's work on the Hammond case.

All the best

Andy
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Andy Wilson
http://www.techman.synth.net
mailto:andy@techman.synth.net

On Monday 08 December 2003 21:22, digitana2002 wrote:
> Hi P3ers! It seems that my service for  cnc engraving and
> routing Hammond desktop cases for  the P3 is proving
> popular. In the past people have purchased the cases
> themselves and then posted them on to me for engineering.
> If there is sufficient interest..a better solution (which
> saves on postal costs and time) might be for me to order
> a bunch of cases from Onboard Electronics in the UK and
> then pass on finished units to people. The service will
> cost £30 + the cost of the hammond case but includes P&P
> to you within the UK. Please note that I can now 'route
> out' the LCD cutout with my machine..which produces a
> much cleaner cut than by hand. Also this price includes
> (engraved) rear sockets for midi/power.

Sounds interesting. I still don't know if it's gonna be a 
case or a MOTM style panel.

Can you show me an example of such a case and your work?

- Robert

> > Can you show me an example of such a case and your work?

> Check out Paul Maddox's, Cikira's and my case in the photo 
> section of this group for 
> examples of Steve's work on the Hammond case.

You can also see a Steve-machined 'original' style case in the Yahoo
photos section, labelled "Boele's P3"
Sadly these Maplin desktop cases have been discontinued, so I need to
find an alternative.
The Hammond cases are nice, although I understand the boards need a bit
of jiggling to fit - I'm sure Paul M can supply the details of this.
I personally prefer to have the 9 key pad directly below the display, so
that the function keys line up with their current function, and this
layout is easily adaptable to a rack mount unit - but it's entirely up
to the builder.
If you want to mount it all in a toilet seat, and kid on it's a mark one
Notron, go for it ;-)

Colin f

Colin,

> The Hammond cases are nice, although I understand the boards need a bit
> of jiggling to fit - I'm sure Paul M can supply the details of this.

:-)
Since I moved a couple of things its not so bad...
You will need to 'shave' a bit off the bottom of the keypad board (unused
PCB space) but everything now fits without much effort (no need to mount
pots upside).

> If you want to mount it all in a toilet seat, and kid on it's a mark
> one Notron, go for it ;-)

now theres a funky idea!!!
I've seen a synth in a taylors dummy, so why not have the sequencer on the
toilet seat to go with it?

Paul

> The new (and fast) way to get shitty tunes.

HA! don't need a toilet seat for that...;)

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 10:09, Paul.Maddox@synth.Net 
wrote:
> now theres a funky idea!!!
> I've seen a synth in a taylors dummy, so why not have the
> sequencer on the toilet seat to go with it?

The new (and fast) way to get shitty tunes.

Robert,

> Paul, how much would have to be shaved off? And what kind of
> tool would I need for that?

about 5mm, and just a file will do it...

Paul

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 10:09, Paul.Maddox@synth.Net 
wrote:

> Since I moved a couple of things its not so bad...
> You will need to 'shave' a bit off the bottom of the
> keypad board (unused PCB space) but everything now fits
> without much effort (no need to mount pots upside).

Paul, how much would have to be shaved off? And what kind of 
tool would I need for that?

- Robert

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" <colin@c...> 
> You can also see a Steve-machined 'original' style case in the Yahoo
> photos section, labelled "Boele's P3"
> Sadly these Maplin desktop cases have been discontinued, so I need 

oh no!!!! that's upsetting to hear... are there absolutely zero left? 
as in completely unavailable on this entire planet? what's the model 
number, i'm gonna check ebay. :)

> I personally prefer to have the 9 key pad directly below the 
display, so
> that the function keys line up with their current function, and this
> layout is easily adaptable to a rack mount unit - but it's entirely 

for exactly that reason... the hammond cases are nice, but not as 
intuitive to use, i'd imagine. and half the reason i use hardware 
sequencers is because physical controls are more easily mapped to 
different functions like this. (the other half of the reason, if 
anyone's curious, is that i hate computers. heh.)

fred.

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> > You can also see a Steve-machined 'original' style case in the Yahoo
> > photos section, labelled "Boele's P3"
> > Sadly these Maplin desktop cases have been discontinued, so I need 
> 
> oh no!!!! that's upsetting to hear... are there absolutely zero left? 
> as in completely unavailable on this entire planet? what's the model 
> number, i'm gonna check ebay. :)

The Hammond case Chiel used for his P3 seems to have very similar
dimensions to the Maplin case.
I'm going to look into whether I can source these in the UK.

Chiel, have you got a photo of yours somewhere ?

Cheers,
Colin f

> Chiel, have you got a photo of yours somewhere ?
...but of course;
http://www.oozi.demon.nl/P3index.html
Hammond's type number for this case is 1456-RH-3-BKBU; BKBU being 
black/blue. 

grtz Chiel

> > Chiel, have you got a photo of yours somewhere ?
> ...but of course;
> http://www.oozi.demon.nl/P3index.html
> Hammond's type number for this case is 1456-RH-3-BKBU; BKBU being 
> black/blue. 

That does look like a very good substitute for the Maplin case.
And I imagine the surface is probably the same as Cikira's black P3 in
the narrower/deeper style case, so it shouldn't be a problem for Steve
to machine.
Got to get me some...

Colin f

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, ch.³l <oozi@o...> wrote:
> > Chiel, have you got a photo of yours somewhere ?
> ...but of course;
> http://www.oozi.demon.nl/P3index.html
> Hammond's type number for this case is 1456-RH-3-BKBU; BKBU being 
> black/blue. 

thank you very, very much... and yes, i could see how moving those 
two knobs to be above the LCD would be useful... they'd be less in 
the way when using the keypad.

fred.

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http://thirdwavecollective.com

Hi Colin ..I'm pretty sure Onboard Electronics have these in both 
the 10 and 15 degree sloping fronts. There is a larger 10 degree 
sloping front case whose dimensions are roughly 17" wide by 11" deep 
if you dont want to  keep your layout as per Maplin cases 
(1456RL1BKBU ).

Hammond prices (in US/Canada)/catalogues:-

http://www.hammondmfg.com/others.htm

The finish on the cases is perfect for detailed engraving ..even the 
small fonts come out well.


cheers
steve



--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin f" <colin@c...> 
wrote:
> > > Chiel, have you got a photo of yours somewhere ?
> > ...but of course;
> > http://www.oozi.demon.nl/P3index.html
> > Hammond's type number for this case is 1456-RH-3-BKBU; BKBU 
being 
> > black/blue. 
> 
> That does look like a very good substitute for the Maplin case.
> And I imagine the surface is probably the same as Cikira's black 
P3 in
> the narrower/deeper style case, so it shouldn't be a problem for 
Steve

> to machine.
> Got to get me some...
> 
> Colin f

> i could see how moving those 
> two knobs to be above the LCD would be useful... they'd be less in 
> the way when using the keypad.

I have toyed with that idea, but the problem with putting them above the
display is that when you're adjusting a value with the knob, the display
showing you where it's at will be under your wrist.
And I prefer the look of the bottom row of the keypad linig up with the
step keys.

I'm not sure where else they can go if I want to keep the layout
suitable for a 4U rack panel.
I don't have a problem avoiding them when I'm using the keypad, so I
suspect I'll leave them where they are on ready-built units, unless
otherwise requested.
Since the pots are on separate wires and bolt directly to the panel, kit
builders are free to put them where they like.
If someone comes up with a great new location, I'll be happy to pinch
the idea...

Cheers,
Colin f

> > i could see how moving those 
> > two knobs to be above the LCD would be useful... they'd be less 
in 
> > the way when using the keypad.
> 
> I have toyed with that idea, but the problem with putting them 
above the
> display is that when you're adjusting a value with the knob, the 
display
> showing you where it's at will be under your wrist.
> And I prefer the look of the bottom row of the keypad linig up with 
the
> step keys.

i didn't realize that the second knob was the data knob when i wrote 
that... after thinking about working with it like that for about two 
seconds, i agree with you. i think that's probably the best place for 
them, partly because it keeps your left hand free to mess with the 
sequence knobs/buttons.

fred.

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http://thirdwavecollective.com

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 00:18, Colin f wrote:

> I have toyed with that idea, but the problem with putting
> them above the display is that when you're adjusting a
> value with the knob, the display showing you where it's
> at will be under your wrist. And I prefer the look of the
> bottom row of the keypad linig up with the step keys.

And what about placing the two knobs *between* the LCD and 
the keypad? The keypad would still be aligned to the LCD 
text, and the LCD would still be visible while turning the 
two knobs.

- Robert

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 15:01, Robert van der Kamp 
wrote:

> And what about placing the two knobs *between* the LCD
> and the keypad? The keypad would still be aligned to the
> LCD text, and the LCD would still be visible while
> turning the two knobs.

And to go even further, maybe add another - third - knob so 
that you get three knobs, neatly aligned under ther three 
LCD fields, together with the keypad knobs. Maybe there's 
not enough space for them, dunno. But this would give you a 
data knob per field for certain edit modes, a nice 
one-on-one situation. 

- Robert

> i didn't realize that the second knob was the data knob when i      
> wrote that... after thinking about working with it like that for    
> about two seconds, i agree with you. i think that's probably the   
> best place for them, partly because it keeps your left hand free to 
> mess with the sequence knobs/buttons.

i'm only going to move the tempo-pot. the data-pot doesn't do 
anything when not specifically activated so it doesn't matter if it 
moves around a bit during normal play. also, it's further to the 
right so it's not in the way as much. and it does make for easy (one-
handed) operation positioned as it is. i do however accidentally 
brush the tempo-pot quite regularly, so that's got to move. i'm 
thinking of between the LCD and the end of the sloped top panel, 
lined upwith F3...to be done sometime when i'm not using the 
P3..maybe when i'm building my second one. ;)
and reading all these other posts, i'm so pleased i already have one..

grtz chiel