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MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-15 by Thomas

Hello all!

Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...

I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual, and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. ( Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )

Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so, do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...

Thanks in advance!

Thomas

Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-15 by Jacquot.Patrice@...

Hi Thomas,
Well it should work fine. The MtM is a hell to program , depends what you wanna do.
I used mine just to trigg easily & basically sdsV, 7 ,III IV & whatever don't have Midi & it does the job very well.
I still didn't manage to make work fine the hihat...but some fellows did it !

Sorry I don't have any tips, as I never remember how I set things previously from a week to another sometimes. MtM is a beast but you need to dig into it (via the manual) to fully understand different access to different functions.
For me it's really a pain... so I'm happy with basic functions (midi notes , dynamics) & have no will for Bruford chordal drum stuff. Even if I love when HE does it ...


Good luck !
Patrice.



----- Mail d'origine -----
De: Thomas <tom@...>
À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:55:20 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI





Hello all!


Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...


I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual, and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. ( Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )


Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so, do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...


Thanks in advance!


Thomas





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Re: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-15 by Nick Zampiello

i'm not sure that the old Simmons stuff can remap notes etc.  you might want a cheap midi filter or something...

i don;t have a MTM but the SDS1000 is locked to the preset midi notes i believe

z
 
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________________________________
From: Thomas <tom@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI



 
Hello all!

Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...

I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual, and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. ( Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )

Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so, do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...

Thanks in advance!

Thomas




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via M IDI

2013-05-16 by jesper

I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,
it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...

*searching*

Yes, I did. This is concerned with note and midi channel design. Not
resonse curves and effects. Feel free to ask if you experience problems.
I have this setup on my three MTM's. My SDS-7 (8 channels) has a
dedicated MTM and runs on the second octave on the keybard, the SDS-V (7
channels) on the third octave and the last MTM is placed on octave four
and the outputs goes to a patchbay (currently patched to SDS-III and
Syndrum Quad). Which note numbers and channels you want are your choice.
Take this as a guide...

Here it is in text form:

---

SETTING UP THE MTM TO ACCEPT MIDI ON CHANNEL 16 WHERE CHANNEL 1
RES-PONDS TO VELOCITY ON LOWEST C UP TO CHANNEL 7 RESPONDING TO LOWEST F#.

Press [on] (no shit - what a start!)
After power up it comes to rest at (play patch)
Press [all/default] until the (F) disappears from the display top right.
Press [patch]
Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
Press [route]
Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (99)
*easiest imho, just stepping down, but any between 21 and 99 will do*
Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
Press [effect]
Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
*all this is mainly to determine that nothing is messed up prior to
editing. My units was set up by former owners and they seemed to be
drummers*

Press [route]
Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
Press [no] or [yes] if necessary, to show (99)
Press [trig in] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
Press [midi chan/note] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows
(16)
*can be any number, but in my case it's 16. Please note that you cannot
cycle this sequence*
Press [midi note] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (C3)
*This is, in my case, lowest C. Double check with your own master
keyboard, but the MTM seems to one octave off compared to my master and
two octaves off compared to Cubase on Atari. This caused massive
confusion first time I tried to solve the puzzle*
Press [trig out] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
*now input 1 is routed to output 1, you can fiddle with this in your own
way later, if you prefer it another way... stay with me now* :D



Press [store] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (99)
*we did this earlier, but I chose to include it for double safety,
(01)-(20) are factory presets and unusable for us deadly*
Press [store]
*confirms the action*

Continue from "Press [trig in]" above, but choose (02), [midi chan/note]
(16), [midi note] (C3#), [trig out] (02) and end with the storing sequence.
*the MTM have a lousy short term memory, so better safe than sorry and
save often* :)

Continue with inputs (03)-(07) like above and make sure that all are set
the same for ins and out, all uses midi channel (16) and are spread
across the octave as (D3) to (F3#).

Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*

SETTING UP THE MTM SO THAT THE MIDI CONTROL CHANGE DEVICE
(I E PEDAL OR SIMILAR) CONTROLS CHANNEL 8 (HIHAT)

Press [midi] *takes us into editing mode*
Press [option/select] three times (midi ch8)
Press [yes] until it says (HIHAT)
Press [yes] until it says (16)
Press [option/select] followed by [no] or [yes] to select midi control
change channel
*I haven't got the channel specs here, but choose whichever you prefer.
You can also program control changes into your sequencer if that seems
more handy. See the manual for the sequencer!*
Press [midi] *takes us out of editing mode*
*this hihat setting overrides all other trigger settings regarding
channel 8*

--- end --- Jesper Ödemark 2010-07-04


--
electronically yours, jesper

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Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-05-15 16:57:
> Hi Thomas,
> Well it should work fine. The MtM is a hell to program , depends what
> you wanna do.
> I used mine just to trigg easily & basically sdsV, 7 ,III IV & whatever
> don't have Midi & it does the job very well.
> I still didn't manage to make work fine the hihat...but some fellows did
> it !
>
> Sorry I don't have any tips, as I never remember how I set things
> previously from a week to another sometimes. MtM is a beast but you need
> to dig into it (via the manual) to fully understand different access to
> different functions.
> For me it's really a pain... so I'm happy with basic functions (midi
> notes , dynamics) & have no will for Bruford chordal drum stuff. Even if
> I love when HE does it ...
>
> Good luck !
> Patrice.
>
> ----- Mail d'origine -----
> De: Thomas <tom@... <mailto:tom%40drummertom.com>>
> À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Envoyé: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:55:20 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI
>
> Hello all!
>
> Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...
>
> I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able
> to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an
> SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual,
> and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are
> C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave
> notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the
> 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. (
> Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which
> I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for
> Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )
>
> Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so,
> do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and
> easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover
> what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Thomas
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-16 by chris@chriswareham.net

On 16 May 2013 at 08:02 jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
> I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,
> it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...
>

Yikes. Perhaps fitting one of the Engineers@Work trigger boards to the drum
brains would be more convenient:

http://www.engineersatwork.nl/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/536

I have one of these fitted inside a Roland TR-77 and it works very well
(although the triggers had to be inverted and shaped for it to work since Ace
Tone and early Roland drum machines are very quirky). I'm about to have the same
board fitted inside my M&A K2 drum brain. The only downside is that the note
assignment is hard-wired, although it uses the GM MIDI mapping which is a
reasonable compromise. The Engineers@Work folks might be able to custom code the
firmware for a different mapping if you ask them.

Chris

Re : Re: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-16 by Jacquot.Patrice@...

You can adjust everything with the MTM.
It will just take longer than usual. ^^





----- Mail d'origine -----
De: Nick Zampiello <newallianceeast@...>
À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:21:01 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: Re: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI





i'm not sure that the old Simmons stuff can remap notes etc. you might want a cheap midi filter or something...


i don;t have a MTM but the SDS1000 is locked to the preset midi notes i believe


z



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________________________________

From: Thomas <tom@...>

To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:55 AM

Subject: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI





Hello all!


Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...


I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual, and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. ( Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )


Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so, do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...


Thanks in advance!


Thomas


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Re : Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-16 by Jacquot.Patrice@...

Brilliant !
I knew you were a God :)

----- Mail d'origine -----
De: jesper <jesper@...>
À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Thu, 16 May 2013 09:02:42 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI





I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,

it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...


*searching*


Yes, I did. This is concerned with note and midi channel design. Not

resonse curves and effects. Feel free to ask if you experience problems.

I have this setup on my three MTM's. My SDS-7 (8 channels) has a

dedicated MTM and runs on the second octave on the keybard, the SDS-V (7

channels) on the third octave and the last MTM is placed on octave four

and the outputs goes to a patchbay (currently patched to SDS-III and

Syndrum Quad). Which note numbers and channels you want are your choice.

Take this as a guide...


Here it is in text form:


---


SETTING UP THE MTM TO ACCEPT MIDI ON CHANNEL 16 WHERE CHANNEL 1

RES-PONDS TO VELOCITY ON LOWEST C UP TO CHANNEL 7 RESPONDING TO LOWEST F#.


Press [on] (no shit - what a start!)

After power up it comes to rest at (play patch)

Press [all/default] until the (F) disappears from the display top right.

Press [patch]

Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*

Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)

Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*

Press [route]

Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*

Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (99)

*easiest imho, just stepping down, but any between 21 and 99 will do*

Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*

Press [effect]

Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*

Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)

Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*

*all this is mainly to determine that nothing is messed up prior to

editing. My units was set up by former owners and they seemed to be

drummers*


Press [route]

Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*

Press [no] or [yes] if necessary, to show (99)

Press [trig in] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)

Press [midi chan/note] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows

(16)

*can be any number, but in my case it's 16. Please note that you cannot

cycle this sequence*

Press [midi note] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (C3)

*This is, in my case, lowest C. Double check with your own master

keyboard, but the MTM seems to one octave off compared to my master and

two octaves off compared to Cubase on Atari. This caused massive

confusion first time I tried to solve the puzzle*

Press [trig out] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)

*now input 1 is routed to output 1, you can fiddle with this in your own

way later, if you prefer it another way... stay with me now* :D


Press [store] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (99)

*we did this earlier, but I chose to include it for double safety,

(01)-(20) are factory presets and unusable for us deadly*

Press [store]

*confirms the action*


Continue from "Press [trig in]" above, but choose (02), [midi chan/note]

(16), [midi note] (C3#), [trig out] (02) and end with the storing sequence.

*the MTM have a lousy short term memory, so better safe than sorry and

save often* :)


Continue with inputs (03)-(07) like above and make sure that all are set

the same for ins and out, all uses midi channel (16) and are spread

across the octave as (D3) to (F3#).


Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*


SETTING UP THE MTM SO THAT THE MIDI CONTROL CHANGE DEVICE

(I E PEDAL OR SIMILAR) CONTROLS CHANNEL 8 (HIHAT)


Press [midi] *takes us into editing mode*

Press [option/select] three times (midi ch8)

Press [yes] until it says (HIHAT)

Press [yes] until it says (16)

Press [option/select] followed by [no] or [yes] to select midi control

change channel

*I haven't got the channel specs here, but choose whichever you prefer.

You can also program control changes into your sequencer if that seems

more handy. See the manual for the sequencer!*

Press [midi] *takes us out of editing mode*

*this hihat setting overrides all other trigger settings regarding

channel 8*


--- end --- Jesper Ödemark 2010-07-04


--

electronically yours, jesper


- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

www.electronic-obsession.se

Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-05-15 16:57:

> Hi Thomas,

> Well it should work fine. The MtM is a hell to program , depends what

> you wanna do.

> I used mine just to trigg easily & basically sdsV, 7 ,III IV & whatever

> don't have Midi & it does the job very well.

> I still didn't manage to make work fine the hihat...but some fellows did

> it !

>

> Sorry I don't have any tips, as I never remember how I set things

> previously from a week to another sometimes. MtM is a beast but you need

> to dig into it (via the manual) to fully understand different access to

> different functions.

> For me it's really a pain... so I'm happy with basic functions (midi

> notes , dynamics) & have no will for Bruford chordal drum stuff. Even if

> I love when HE does it ...

>

> Good luck !

> Patrice.

>

> ----- Mail d'origine -----

> De: Thomas <tom@... <mailto:tom%40drummertom.com>>

> À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>>

> Envoyé: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:55:20 +0200 (CEST)

> Objet: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

>

> Hello all!

>

> Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...

>

> I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able

> to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an

> SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual,

> and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are

> C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave

> notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the

> 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. (

> Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which

> I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for

> Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )

>

> Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so,

> do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and

> easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover

> what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Thomas

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via M IDI

2013-05-16 by jesper

chris@... skrev 2013-05-16 12:37:
> On 16 May 2013 at 08:02 jesper <jesper@...
> <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>> wrote:
> > I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,
> > it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...
> >
>
> Yikes. Perhaps fitting one of the Engineers@Work trigger boards to the drum
> brains would be more convenient:
>
> http://www.engineersatwork.nl/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/536

But if you want the dynamics over velocity you need something better.
midi2sds2 works better as a substitute... MTM's rock!

--
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se

Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : [Simmo ns Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-16 by Jacquot.Patrice@...

Actually yes I fully missed it .

Even Dave would use it I think ;)

I don't know who did the software of the MTM, but he must have been in a complicated life then.
& actually I think they added some functions at the last minute Don't remember exactly... whatever.
I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons was the biggest prototype production of music industry ? ... ^^ ...


----- Mail d'origine -----
De: jesper <jesper@...>
À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:54:31 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: Re: Re : Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI





Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-05-16 15:18:

> Brilliant !

> I knew you were a God :)


Did you miss it last time I posted it? Well, I use it myself from time

to time. :D


--

electronically yours, jesper [rank: GOD]


- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

www.electronic-obsession.se




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Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-16 by philmurr

I think the software team for the MTM was led by Simon Davidmann. A very clever guy. But yes, it all seemed VERY experimental...!

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Jacquot.Patrice@... wrote:
>
> Actually yes I fully missed it .
>
> Even Dave would use it I think ;)
>
> I don't know who did the software of the MTM, but he must have been in a complicated life then.
> & actually I think they added some functions at the last minute Don't remember exactly... whatever.
> I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons was the biggest prototype production of music industry ? ... ^^ ...
>
>
> ----- Mail d'origine -----
> De: jesper <jesper@...>
> À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> Envoyé: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:54:31 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: Re: Re : Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI
>
>
>
>
>
> Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-05-16 15:18:
>
> > Brilliant !
>
> > I knew you were a God :)
>
>
> Did you miss it last time I posted it? Well, I use it myself from time
>
> to time. :D
>
>
> --
>
> electronically yours, jesper [rank: GOD]
>
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via M IDI

2013-05-16 by Chris Wareham

jesper said on 16/05/13 14:43:
> chris@... <mailto:chris%40chriswareham.net> skrev
> 2013-05-16 12:37:
> > On 16 May 2013 at 08:02 jesper <jesper@...
> <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>
> > <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>> wrote:
> > > I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,
> > > it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...
> > >
> >
> > Yikes. Perhaps fitting one of the Engineers@Work trigger boards to
> the drum
> > brains would be more convenient:
> >
> > http://www.engineersatwork.nl/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/536
>
> But if you want the dynamics over velocity you need something better.
> midi2sds2 works better as a substitute... MTM's rock!
>

Unfortunately the guy who originally produced the MIDI2SDS board has
stopped making them, which is a shame as it would have been my first
choice for retrofitting the K2. I know that Elby Designs also produce a
version of of the MIDI2SDS, but I think it comes pre-packaged for a
Eurorack set up.

Chris

Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : [Simmons Dru ms] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-17 by jesper

Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-05-16 16:49:
> Actually yes I fully missed it .
>
> Even Dave would use it I think ;)
>
> I don't know who did the software of the MTM, but he must have been in a
> complicated life then.
> & actually I think they added some functions at the last minute Don't
> remember exactly... whatever.
> I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons was the biggest prototype production
> of music industry ? ... ^^ ...

Adding to the confusion (I think) was Simmons way of changing the
trigger levels. So, new MTM-owners should take care. Adjust the output
levels correct. The index line is black on black as well. Stupid indeed!
I've added a white line on my units so that I don't feed 15 volts to low
voltage inputs.

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Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-17 by jesper

philmurr skrev 2013-05-16 18:29:
> I think the software team for the MTM was led by Simon Davidmann. A very
> clever guy. But yes, it all seemed VERY experimental...!

When you live and breath your work I bet it's plain and easy. Beta
testing is a good thing! ;)

But, don't misunderstand, the MTM is a great piece of gear. It took ages
before it was rivaled (if ever).

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Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via M IDI

2013-05-17 by jesper

Chris Wareham skrev 2013-05-16 19:40:
> Unfortunately the guy who originally produced the MIDI2SDS board has
> stopped making them, which is a shame as it would have been my first
> choice for retrofitting the K2. I know that Elby Designs also produce a
> version of of the MIDI2SDS, but I think it comes pre-packaged for a
> Eurorack set up.


I think Paul is still here and yes, I know Elby took over the product.
But I thought they made DIY-sets too?! I have a semi-finished rack
version around. Haven't finished it yet, which is a shame and certainly
on my to do list.

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Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-17 by Thomas

You sir, have made my day! Thank you very much! I think with time I will understand the dynamics and effects settings a bit more, but for now, this is exactly what I was looking for.

Thomas

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,
> it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...
>
> *searching*
>
> Yes, I did. This is concerned with note and midi channel design. Not
> resonse curves and effects. Feel free to ask if you experience problems.
> I have this setup on my three MTM's. My SDS-7 (8 channels) has a
> dedicated MTM and runs on the second octave on the keybard, the SDS-V (7
> channels) on the third octave and the last MTM is placed on octave four
> and the outputs goes to a patchbay (currently patched to SDS-III and
> Syndrum Quad). Which note numbers and channels you want are your choice.
> Take this as a guide...
>
> Here it is in text form:
>
> ---
>
> SETTING UP THE MTM TO ACCEPT MIDI ON CHANNEL 16 WHERE CHANNEL 1
> RES-PONDS TO VELOCITY ON LOWEST C UP TO CHANNEL 7 RESPONDING TO LOWEST F#.
>
> Press [on] (no shit - what a start!)
> After power up it comes to rest at (play patch)
> Press [all/default] until the (F) disappears from the display top right.
> Press [patch]
> Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
> Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
> Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
> Press [route]
> Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
> Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (99)
> *easiest imho, just stepping down, but any between 21 and 99 will do*
> Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
> Press [effect]
> Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
> Press [process] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
> Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
> *all this is mainly to determine that nothing is messed up prior to
> editing. My units was set up by former owners and they seemed to be
> drummers*
>
> Press [route]
> Press [edit] *takes us into editing mode*
> Press [no] or [yes] if necessary, to show (99)
> Press [trig in] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
> Press [midi chan/note] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows
> (16)
> *can be any number, but in my case it's 16. Please note that you cannot
> cycle this sequence*
> Press [midi note] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (C3)
> *This is, in my case, lowest C. Double check with your own master
> keyboard, but the MTM seems to one octave off compared to my master and
> two octaves off compared to Cubase on Atari. This caused massive
> confusion first time I tried to solve the puzzle*
> Press [trig out] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (01)
> *now input 1 is routed to output 1, you can fiddle with this in your own
> way later, if you prefer it another way... stay with me now* :D
>
>
>
> Press [store] followed by [no] or [yes] until the display shows (99)
> *we did this earlier, but I chose to include it for double safety,
> (01)-(20) are factory presets and unusable for us deadly*
> Press [store]
> *confirms the action*
>
> Continue from "Press [trig in]" above, but choose (02), [midi chan/note]
> (16), [midi note] (C3#), [trig out] (02) and end with the storing sequence.
> *the MTM have a lousy short term memory, so better safe than sorry and
> save often* :)
>
> Continue with inputs (03)-(07) like above and make sure that all are set
> the same for ins and out, all uses midi channel (16) and are spread
> across the octave as (D3) to (F3#).
>
> Press [edit] *takes us out of editing mode*
>
> SETTING UP THE MTM SO THAT THE MIDI CONTROL CHANGE DEVICE
> (I E PEDAL OR SIMILAR) CONTROLS CHANNEL 8 (HIHAT)
>
> Press [midi] *takes us into editing mode*
> Press [option/select] three times (midi ch8)
> Press [yes] until it says (HIHAT)
> Press [yes] until it says (16)
> Press [option/select] followed by [no] or [yes] to select midi control
> change channel
> *I haven't got the channel specs here, but choose whichever you prefer.
> You can also program control changes into your sequencer if that seems
> more handy. See the manual for the sequencer!*
> Press [midi] *takes us out of editing mode*
> *this hihat setting overrides all other trigger settings regarding
> channel 8*
>
> --- end --- Jesper Ödemark 2010-07-04
>
>
> --
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>
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>
>
> Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2013-05-15 16:57:
> > Hi Thomas,
> > Well it should work fine. The MtM is a hell to program , depends what
> > you wanna do.
> > I used mine just to trigg easily & basically sdsV, 7 ,III IV & whatever
> > don't have Midi & it does the job very well.
> > I still didn't manage to make work fine the hihat...but some fellows did
> > it !
> >
> > Sorry I don't have any tips, as I never remember how I set things
> > previously from a week to another sometimes. MtM is a beast but you need
> > to dig into it (via the manual) to fully understand different access to
> > different functions.
> > For me it's really a pain... so I'm happy with basic functions (midi
> > notes , dynamics) & have no will for Bruford chordal drum stuff. Even if
> > I love when HE does it ...
> >
> > Good luck !
> > Patrice.
> >
> > ----- Mail d'origine -----
> > De: Thomas <tom@... <mailto:tom%40drummertom.com>>
> > À: Simmons Drums <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Envoyé: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:55:20 +0200 (CEST)
> > Objet: [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > Long time lurker, and seldom poster here...
> >
> > I have been searching through the old postings, but I haven't been able
> > to find any good answers so far. What I am trying to do, is trigger an
> > SDSV via MIDI, utilizing an MTM. I have been reading through the manual,
> > and I can see that the default notes to play with on the MIDI side are
> > C4 E4 G4 B4 C5 E5 G5 B5. I am really only concerned with the 4th octave
> > notes, since the SDSV currently only has 4 modules installed. I took the
> > 3rd TOM out and placed it in the SDSV I use for "live" playing. (
> > Incidentally, the unit I want to trigger via MIDI is serial #284, which
> > I am led to believe was once owned and used by Michael Dawe, drummer for
> > Robert Palmer, just in case anyone was interested. )
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with triggering in this manner, and if so,
> > do they have any tips that I can use to program the MTM in a quick and
> > easy fashion? Anything helps really. The manual doesn't seem to cover
> > what I am specifically attempting to do, but I may be overlooking it...
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-17 by jesper

Thomas skrev 2013-05-17 12:12:
> You sir, have made my day! Thank you very much! I think with time I will
> understand the dynamics and effects settings a bit more, but for now,
> this is exactly what I was looking for.

Glad to have helped!

Since I wrote this I remapped my three machines to run on midi channel 1
since that's first priority in the midi protocol. Might be a good advice
if you want tight drumming on your tracks. :)

AND... do change those backup batteries!

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Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI

2013-05-20 by brian walker

Hi


Just checked and Elbay still produce the MIDI 2 SDS board for 7.42 Australian dollars


Also available as a part kit, full kit, 19" rack case and Eurorack format, WHY ARE YOU WAITING!


Brian


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From: Chris Wareham <chris@...>
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jesper <jesper@...>
Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2013, 18:40
Subject: Re: Re : [Simmons Drums] MTM & SDSV via MIDI



 
jesper said on 16/05/13 14:43:
> chris@... <mailto:chris%40chriswareham.net> skrev
> 2013-05-16 12:37:
> > On 16 May 2013 at 08:02 jesper <jesper@...
> <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>
> > <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>> wrote:
> > > I made a tutorial that I posted in the archives since, as Patrice said,
> > > it's a real pain to program. I might have it here as well...
> > >
> >
> > Yikes. Perhaps fitting one of the Engineers@Work trigger boards to
> the drum
> > brains would be more convenient:
> >
> > http://www.engineersatwork.nl/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/536
>
> But if you want the dynamics over velocity you need something better.
> midi2sds2 works better as a substitute... MTM's rock!
>

Unfortunately the guy who originally produced the MIDI2SDS board has
stopped making them, which is a shame as it would have been my first
choice for retrofitting the K2. I know that Elby Designs also produce a
version of of the MIDI2SDS, but I think it comes pre-packaged for a
Eurorack set up.

Chris



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