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Hi Guys, 

I wanted to launch a subject & inviting every people (not only but surely the Gods) :-) who can feel concerned by the (professionnal or not ...) SDSV use.
I love mine but there are some things I'd like to improve. 

I can thank Jesper to have spoken about that Separate output resistors. I remember having been in trouble connecting them at some point to a SPM8:2...it didn't work... & I forgot about it.


I am submitting the question, to see if anyone did (or felt the need to ) improve the "V"at some point...
 or got in touch with some units that would have been improved (like Genesis customed units (or whoever) who had some techs & money to dive in the machines...)
Outside of any personnality cult worries... ;-)


 Here is what I'd like to do on the following parameters if I had a magic stick .

> CLICK   "no saturation"
(I just don't like at all this saturating Click. A very nasty sound for me ! Anyway not as nice as the SDS7's one to my taste. )

> NOISE   "a separate envelop" for it would be great (to get a short noise while a long decay for the tone )
but probably difficult to implement to the original architecture.

> BEND    "Bend both ways" UP & DOWN
Already discussed with  Franck ... ) 


> SYMETRIC Output connections
to get a pure signal,  fully denoised.


any other Ideas ?

For example, I also saw  on Dave's SDSV (& I know a few German guys musthave seen it ;-) a special extra pot for the chick volume on the Hihat channel module.



Anyway... 


Speak soon,
Patrice.

You have the scematics?? couldn't be that hard.

Berk



>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: "Jacquot" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:15:26 -0000
>Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Improvments ?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Hi Guys, 
>
>I wanted to launch a subject & inviting every people (not only but surely
>the Gods) :-) who can feel concerned by the (professionnal or not ...) SDSV
>use.
>I love mine but there are some things I'd like to improve. 
>
>I can thank Jesper to have spoken about that Separate output resistors.
I
>remember having been in trouble connecting them at some point to a SPM8:2...it
>didn't work... & I forgot about it.
>
>
>I am submitting the question, to see if anyone did (or felt the need to
)
>improve the "V"at some point...
> or got in touch with some units that would have been improved (like Genesis
>customed units (or whoever) who had some techs & money to dive in the machines...)
>Outside of any personnality cult worries... ;-)
>
>
> Here is what I'd like to do on the following parameters if I had a magic
>stick .
>
>> CLICK   "no saturation"
>(I just don't like at all this saturating Click. A very nasty sound for
me

>! Anyway not as nice as the SDS7's one to my taste. )
>
>> NOISE   "a separate envelop" for it would be great (to get a short noise
>while a long decay for the tone )
>but probably difficult to implement to the original architecture.
>
>> BEND    "Bend both ways" UP & DOWN
>Already discussed with  Franck ... ) 
>
>
>> SYMETRIC Output connections
>to get a pure signal,  fully denoised.
>
>
>any other Ideas ?
>
>For example, I also saw  on Dave's SDSV (& I know a few German guys musthave
>seen it ;-) a special extra pot for the chick volume on the Hihat channel
>module.
>
>
>
>Anyway... 
>
>
>Speak soon,
>Patrice.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes I have (thanks Michael & Wolfgang) & yes I will ...

But let's see if anyone already did it...
... if it's really worth it.

Do you remember the Phil Collins' "V" that had been dismantled & sold piece by
piece on Ebay a few years ago ?
THere was a custom Master section.
(I have a Pic in  my removed HD...Will try to find it for you.)

I wonder if the power section hadn't been upgraded to a stabilised one, &
symetric connections.
Otherwise what could it be else...?
& Phil probably needed Highest possible spec  to record the way he did things.

I'm currently working on it with an engineer to record it ...
we're having a look at possibilities... I'll  tell you.





Selon Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...>:

> You have the scematics?? couldn't be that hard.
>
> Berk
>
>
>
> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >From: "Jacquot" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:15:26 -0000
> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Improvments ?
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >I wanted to launch a subject & inviting every people (not only but surely
> >the Gods) :-) who can feel concerned by the (professionnal or not ...) SDSV
> >use.
> >I love mine but there are some things I'd like to improve.
> >
> >I can thank Jesper to have spoken about that Separate output resistors.
> I
> >remember having been in trouble connecting them at some point to a
> SPM8:2...it
> >didn't work... & I forgot about it.
> >
> >
> >I am submitting the question, to see if anyone did (or felt the need to
> )
> >improve the "V"at some point...
> > or got in touch with some units that would have been improved (like Genesis
> >customed units (or whoever) who had some techs & money to dive in the
> machines...)
> >Outside of any personnality cult worries... ;-)
> >
> >
> > Here is what I'd like to do on the following parameters if I had a magic
> >stick .
> >
> >> CLICK   "no saturation"
> >(I just don't like at all this saturating Click. A very nasty sound for
> me
> >! Anyway not as nice as the SDS7's one to my taste. )
> >
> >> NOISE   "a separate envelop" for it would be great (to get a short noise
> >while a long decay for the tone )
> >but probably difficult to implement to the original architecture.
> >
> >> BEND    "Bend both ways" UP & DOWN
> >Already discussed with  Franck ... )
> >
> >
> >> SYMETRIC Output connections
> >to get a pure signal,  fully denoised.
> >
> >
> >any other Ideas ?
> >
> >For example, I also saw  on Dave's SDSV (& I know a few German guys musthave
> >seen it ;-) a special extra pot for the chick volume on the Hihat channel
> >module.
> >
> >
> >
> >Anyway...
> >
> >
> >Speak soon,
> >Patrice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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By the way, 

we extracted a channel module, fed it with an external stabilized Power Supply connected in direct to a Small MOTU soundcard.

Without any modifications, the sound is really incredible, no noise pollution at all !!! Pure Analog Fat as Hell !
even the click I didn't like is much better.

 So it confirms that the V deserves a highend power supply & Symetric outputs...
I always felt it didn't give what it should. It's good to feel it's true & that the best still can be done.

Anyone interested ?

Best,
Patrice.





--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:

>
> You have the scematics?? couldn't be that hard.
> 
> Berk
> 
> 
> 
> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >From: "Jacquot" <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
> >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:15:26 -0000
> >Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDSV Improvments ?
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >Hi Guys, 
> >
> >I wanted to launch a subject & inviting every people (not only but surely
> >the Gods) :-) who can feel concerned by the (professionnal or not ...) SDSV
> >use.
> >I love mine but there are some things I'd like to improve. 
> >
> >I can thank Jesper to have spoken about that Separate output resistors.
> I
> >remember having been in trouble connecting them at some point to a SPM8:2...it
> >didn't work... & I forgot about it.
> >
> >
> >I am submitting the question, to see if anyone did (or felt the need to
> )
> >improve the "V"at some point...
> > or got in touch with some units that would have been improved (like Genesis
> >customed units (or whoever) who had some techs & money to dive in the machines...)
> >Outside of any personnality cult worries... ;-)
> >
> >
> > Here is what I'd like to do on the following parameters if I had a magic
> >stick .
> >
> >> CLICK   "no saturation"
> >(I just don't like at all this saturating Click. A very nasty sound for
> me
> >! Anyway not as nice as the SDS7's one to my taste. )
> >
> >> NOISE   "a separate envelop" for it would be great (to get a short noise
> >while a long decay for the tone )
> >but probably difficult to implement to the original architecture.
> >
> >> BEND    "Bend both ways" UP & DOWN
> >Already discussed with  Franck ... ) 
> >
> >
> >> SYMETRIC Output connections
> >to get a pure signal,  fully denoised.
> >
> >
> >any other Ideas ?
> >
> >For example, I also saw  on Dave's SDSV (& I know a few German guys musthave
> >seen it ;-) a special extra pot for the chick volume on the Hihat channel
> >module.
> >
> >
> >
> >Anyway... 
> >
> >
> >Speak soon,
> >Patrice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev:
> Do you remember the Phil Collins' "V" that had been dismantled & sold 
> piece by
> piece on Ebay a few years ago ?
> THere was a custom Master section.
> (I have a Pic in my removed HD...Will try to find it for you.)

I remember. Easier to adjust live with separated volume knobs.

> I wonder if the power section hadn't been upgraded to a stabilised one, &
> symetric connections.

But I still don't get what you mean by symetric connections. Plain 6,35 
mm sockets? Or do you mean balanced? I bet this is one of the lists 
language issues that pop up from time to time. :)

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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Jacquot skrev:
> we extracted a channel module, fed it with an external stabilized Power 
> Supply connected in direct to a Small MOTU soundcard.
> 
> Without any modifications, the sound is really incredible, no noise 
> pollution at all !!! Pure Analog Fat as Hell !
> even the click I didn't like is much better.
> 
> So it confirms that the V deserves a highend power supply & Symetric 
> outputs...
> I always felt it didn't give what it should. It's good to feel it's true 
> & that the best still can be done.

As mentioned before - remove those darn resistors at the outputs. That 
sure adds juice to the signal. :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se

Exact Jesper !!!
Balanced is the one ... !

Sorry about that.  ;-)



Selon jesper <jesper@...>:

> Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev:
> > Do you remember the Phil Collins' "V" that had been dismantled & sold
> > piece by
> > piece on Ebay a few years ago ?
> > THere was a custom Master section.
> > (I have a Pic in my removed HD...Will try to find it for you.)
>
> I remember. Easier to adjust live with separated volume knobs.
>
> > I wonder if the power section hadn't been upgraded to a stabilised one, &
> > symetric connections.
>
> But I still don't get what you mean by symetric connections. Plain 6,35
> mm sockets? Or do you mean balanced? I bet this is one of the lists
> language issues that pop up from time to time. :)
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>

> > Do you remember the Phil Collins' "V" that had been dismantled & sold
> > piece by
> > piece on Ebay a few years ago ?
> > THere was a custom Master section.
> > (I have a Pic in my removed HD...Will try to find it for you.)
>
> I remember. Easier to adjust live with separated volume knobs.
>
>

Yes but we already have separated volume knobs on the orginal master section...

> As mentioned before - remove those darn resistors at the outputs. That
> sure adds juice to the signal. :D


we started by that before the described experience...

it's a sort of "somewhere in between" the mono/stereo outputs & the direct one
(from the extracted card).

Bt anyway yes... The "at least" (but not last) first step is that.

Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev:
>  > > Do you remember the Phil Collins' "V" that had been dismantled & sold
>  > > piece by
>  > > piece on Ebay a few years ago ?
>  > > THere was a custom Master section.
>  > > (I have a Pic in my removed HD...Will try to find it for you.)
>  >
>  > I remember. Easier to adjust live with separated volume knobs.
> 
> Yes but we already have separated volume knobs on the orginal master 
> section...

I didn't mean dedicated, I meant physically separated (with a longer 
distance between them).

The original master section looks something like:

o
o
o
o
o
o
o
o

while Phil's looked like this (from memory):

o
       o
o
       o
o
       o
o
       o

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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