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ive found a cymbal for sale on german ebay its white and looks in execellent condition i have this in my watch list .

$342 + shipping. Wow.

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "and.1234" <oliveandarthur@...> wrote:

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> ive found a cymbal for sale on german ebay its white and looks in execellent condition i have this in my watch list .
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In a message dated 3/21/2010 5:07:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
edrose1@... writes:

BTW, that cymbal is used. From the photos  it seems to be in excellent 
condition, but used. I don't read German but  I don't think the cable was 
supplied. Sounds negligible but I have a few of  these NOS w/ cable and original 
box. I would've been shocked had this one not  broken the $300 mark.  
 
 
 
$342 + shipping. Wow.

--- In _Simmons_Drums@Simmons_DrumSim_ 
(mailto:Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com) ,  "and.1234" <oliveandarthur@oli> wrote:
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> ive found a  cymbal for sale on german ebay its white and looks in 
execellent condition i  have this in my watch list .
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Ed skrev:
> $342 + shipping. Wow.

I'm not that surprised... looks are everything in the 80's retro band 
genre! :D

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electronically yours, jesper

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Oh. I have two of these, this means a return flight Frankfurt - Bangkok. I have to think about it.

To be honest: The riot-shield-cymbal-pad was first introduced for SDSV cymbal. The bell and the bow had two piezos, and there was some kind of rectifyer circuitry in it making it possible to have two sounds, a bell sound and a cymbal sound out of ONE MODULE (the digital cymbal). This was a genious idea, but the realised product was very poor.
Mounted on a cymbal stand, the pad was rotating all the time while being hit. I always taped the XLR plug to the stand to get rid of this effect. The play feeling was simply terrible, the dynamic possibilities also. What else can I say: The crosstalk between bell section and bow section, no, you don't want to know anything about this. The 3 main plastic parts of the unit were held together by 4 screws and chromed, cheap rivet-type nuts. After a good concert, this construction was blown into pieces. 
Later, for SDS7 use, they sold the pad without the diodes and the capacitor as a mono cymbal pad, making nothing better. Look? I would prefer these vistalite pads.
So: This is really only a collectors item.
If anybody is curious now, how to get a bell and a cymbal sound out of a single SDSV cymbal module: It is very easy. Take two normal pads and wire them in parallel (Pins 1 and 2 of the XLRs). Solder germanium type diodes (AA) between each piezo and pin 2 of the pad XLR, one of them reversed. If you hit one pad, the outputted signal will have a positive phase only, the other pad a negative. The effect on the SDSVs cymbal module is: One of the Pads will trigger a noisy trash sound called "bell", the other the eprom-based "cym". And our sequencer-based friends will not notice this effect ever.
Any collectors out there who want to trade a return flight Frankfurt - Bankok for two SDSV cymbal pads??? Economy is ok, may be the lucky winner can trade his miles-and-more for this ;-) ???

Have a nice day!
Michael 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jesper 
  To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: simmons cymbal


    
  Ed skrev:
  > $342 + shipping. Wow.

  I'm not that surprised... looks are everything in the 80's retro band 
  genre! :D

  -- 
  electronically yours, jesper

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Michael Buchner skrev:
> If anybody is curious now, how to get a bell and a cymbal sound out of a 
> single SDSV cymbal module: It is very easy. Take two normal pads and 
> wire them in parallel (Pins 1 and 2 of the XLRs). Solder germanium type 
> diodes (AA) between each piezo and pin 2 of the pad XLR, one of them 
> reversed. If you hit one pad, the outputted signal will have a positive 
> phase only, the other pad a negative. The effect on the SDSVs cymbal 
> module is: One of the Pads will trigger a noisy trash sound called 
> "bell", the other the eprom-based "cym". And our sequencer-based friends 
> will not notice this effect ever.

I'm keeping this in my "Simmons tip folder" for future use. But, with a 
bit of brain activity you could do this from sequencer too, you just 
have to think about phases and levels an extra minute.

Slightly OT, but still e-drumming... My E-H Crash Pad (or was it the 
Clap Trak?) was badly designed so that despite input for external 
triggering it only accepted noise as triggers 'cause it needed a 
negative flank going through zero. A small mod and it now accepts +5 as 
it's friend does. Speak of phase issues...

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electronically yours, jesper

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It's only a piece of plastic, but then try to find a plastic chair by  
Verner Panton for under a four digit number ;-)
Simmons is a piece of art also !

And by the way, I bought the SDS 7 for € 216.- ! Even though I had  
two with all the cards some years ago,
I sold it 'cause I hated it ! Losing memory all the time and too  
unreliable ! Hope this ones working better :-)
Looks like a bargain compared to the Cymbal !!!

Best

Thomas


On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:26 PM, jesper wrote:

Ed skrev:
> $342 + shipping. Wow.

I'm not that surprised... looks are everything in the 80's retro band
genre! :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

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www.electronic-obsession.se


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Thomas Heckmann skrev:
> It's only a piece of plastic, but then try to find a plastic chair by  
> Verner Panton for under a four digit number ;-)
> Simmons is a piece of art also !

I second that!

> And by the way, I bought the SDS 7 for € 216.- ! Even though I had  
> two with all the cards some years ago,
> I sold it 'cause I hated it ! Losing memory all the time and too  
> unreliable ! Hope this ones working better :-)
> Looks like a bargain compared to the Cymbal !!!

Congratulations - I keep my finger crossed for reliability!

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electronically yours, jesper

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225 pounds madness .