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Re: Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

Re: Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-20 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" ) by either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect the HD installation procedure.
 
The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
 
Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my hair is gone?


- Roland
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Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You know you need to 
assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP media need to be 
formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's exactly the same 
procedure
Bye
Wolfgang

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Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-20 by sarsipri

The ZIP is functioning but the device itself has a problem. In SCSI 
terms ZIP has a special way of formatting (disk layout). The SDX 
cannot format this drive as a result.

If you have only one drive on the SCSI chain termination is not a 
problem. As soon as you add another drive, it is important to use 
passive or active termination.

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<rolandbrenner@...> wrote:
>
> Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so 
therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI 
devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" ) by 
either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert 
myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the 
SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive 
on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect 
the HD installation procedure.
>  
> The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is 
not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not 
format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
>  
> Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my 
hair is gone?
> 
> 
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You 
know you need to 
> assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP 
media need to be 
> formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's 
exactly the same 
> procedure
> Bye
> Wolfgang
> 
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Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-20 by superwolle70

> The ZIP is functioning but the device itself has a problem. In SCSI 
> terms ZIP has a special way of formatting (disk layout). The SDX 
> cannot format this drive as a result.

It can. Ok, the SDX OS can only adress 70MB, but this is the only
restriction. The ZIP drive provides the same functionality as the
internal harddrive. I could even boot from my ZIP

Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-20 by Patrice Jacquot

Hi Roland ,
What's the question in fact ?
What do you mean by media issue, what drive are you talking about ?  
the floppy or the zip ?

I personnaly never had any problem with the Zips...It always had been  
recognized at once...
the termination switch  is behind the Zip Unit close to the ID ...
I guess the External Zip is always appearing like the last ID,  
probably bc it's the last slot to plug in on the motherboard.


My Zip Id is 5 or 6...

  can you check that  you haven't got to ignore (again as usual with  
the SDX...) messages  & continue formatting process for example ?...

& yes the external drive has exactly the same use as the internal  
one ...
When you change disk just ignore error messages (clicking on '' NEW "  
for example ...).

Let us know ...

Patrice.




Le 20 sept. 08 à 03:36, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :

> Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so  
> therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI  
> devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" )  
> by either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert  
> myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the  
> SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive  
> on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect  
> the HD installation procedure.
>
> The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is  
> not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not  
> format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
>
> Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my  
> hair is gone?
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You  
> know you need to
> assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP  
> media need to be
> formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's  
> exactly the same
> procedure
> Bye
> Wolfgang
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Click to see huge collection of designer watches.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlxzCg53842U0TbuS439msAcLlI5ZxaRlYmCMgNtckbOSgQa/
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Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-22 by rolandbrenner@netzero.net

Well OK, I'll bottom line it here:
I bought a used external 100MB SCSI zip from a second hand store dirt cheap. It came in the original box with all the manuals along with a large selection of blank disks. Everything looks as if to be brand new. I found a used SCSI interface cable ( CN50 Male to DB25 Male ) to connect the drive to the back of the SDX at a computer parts store. The cable also appears to be new and even has a DB25 Female port at the back of the 50 pin connector to allow additional devices.
When I booted the SDX ( zip plugged in and power / LED on ) I only saw the floppy and HD on the screen. I tried every possible termination combination, but nothing worked. To further troubleshoot the situation I physically disconnected the HD to remove any possible conflicts between the HD & zip. Again, I tried every possible combination ( temination off, on, 5, 6, etc., etc., etc. ) and the SDX just does not "see" the drive nor is it giving me any indication of looking for it ( LED never blinks or flashes ).
I'm starting to think the drive itself or the cable is not working. I'm pretty sure I've tried everything I could with the SDX. I even tried a male to male DB25 cable to the extra port on the cable's extra connector. I'm probably going to proceed to find a mac somewhere to test the zip and cable.


- Roland
http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
 
Hi Roland ,
What's the question in fact ?
What do you mean by media issue, what drive are you talking about ? 
the floppy or the zip ?

I personnaly never had any problem with the Zips...It always had been 
recognized at once...
the termination switch is behind the Zip Unit close to the ID ...
I guess the External Zip is always appearing like the last ID, 
probably bc it's the last slot to plug in on the motherboard.

My Zip Id is 5 or 6...

can you check that you haven't got to ignore (again as usual with 
the SDX...) messages & continue formatting process for example ?...

& yes the external drive has exactly the same use as the internal 
one ...
When you change disk just ignore error messages (clicking on '' NEW " 
for example ...).

Let us know ...

Patrice.

Le 20 sept. 08 � 03:36, rolandbrenner@... a �crit :

> Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so 
> therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI 
> devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" ) 
> by either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert 
> myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the 
> SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive 
> on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect 
> the HD installation procedure.
>
> The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is 
> not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not 
> format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
>
> Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my 
> hair is gone?
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You 
> know you need to
> assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP 
> media need to be
> formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's 
> exactly the same
> procedure
> Bye
> Wolfgang

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Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-22 by Patrice Jacquot

Yep I think it's the only solution now...
Test the Zip drive...

Normally the SDX sees automatically the drive,
  if you don't forget to switch on the drive before, which apparently  
you've done well ...

There's only 4 solutions with the Zip , I think you've got the ID 5 or  
6, termination or no termination..

The conflict possible between your both Hard rives could be the "ID N 
°", but once again you've cheked that too by removing the inside HD...

OK let us know when you'll have tested the Zip on a Mac ...
Following what you're saying the problem seems to be the Zip drive...

good luck,
Patrice.

Le 22 sept. 08 à 12:54, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :
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> Well OK, I'll bottom line it here:
> I bought a used external 100MB SCSI zip from a second hand store  
> dirt cheap. It came in the original box with all the manuals along  
> with a large selection of blank disks. Everything looks as if to be  
> brand new. I found a used SCSI interface cable ( CN50 Male to DB25  
> Male ) to connect the drive to the back of the SDX at a computer  
> parts store. The cable also appears to be new and even has a DB25  
> Female port at the back of the 50 pin connector to allow additional  
> devices.
> When I booted the SDX ( zip plugged in and power / LED on ) I only  
> saw the floppy and HD on the screen. I tried every possible  
> termination combination, but nothing worked. To further troubleshoot  
> the situation I physically disconnected the HD to remove any  
> possible conflicts between the HD & zip. Again, I tried every  
> possible combination ( temination off, on, 5, 6, etc., etc., etc. )  
> and the SDX just does not "see" the drive nor is it giving me any  
> indication of looking for it ( LED never blinks or flashes ).
> I'm starting to think the drive itself or the cable is not working.  
> I'm pretty sure I've tried everything I could with the SDX. I even  
> tried a male to male DB25 cable to the extra port on the cable's  
> extra connector. I'm probably going to proceed to find a mac  
> somewhere to test the zip and cable.
>
>
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
>
> Hi Roland ,
> What's the question in fact ?
> What do you mean by media issue, what drive are you talking about ?
> the floppy or the zip ?
>
> I personnaly never had any problem with the Zips...It always had been
> recognized at once...
> the termination switch is behind the Zip Unit close to the ID ...
> I guess the External Zip is always appearing like the last ID,
> probably bc it's the last slot to plug in on the motherboard.
>
> My Zip Id is 5 or 6...
>
> can you check that you haven't got to ignore (again as usual with
> the SDX...) messages & continue formatting process for example ?...
>
> & yes the external drive has exactly the same use as the internal
> one ...
> When you change disk just ignore error messages (clicking on '' NEW "
> for example ...).
>
> Let us know ...
>
> Patrice.
>
> Le 20 sept. 08 à 03:36, rolandbrenner@...t a écrit :
>
>> Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so
>> therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI
>> devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" )
>> by either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert
>> myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the
>> SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive
>> on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect
>> the HD installation procedure.
>>
>> The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is
>> not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not
>> format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
>>
>> Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my
>> hair is gone?
>>
>> - Roland
>> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
>> Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You
>> know you need to
>> assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP
>> media need to be
>> formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's
>> exactly the same
>> procedure
>> Bye
>> Wolfgang
>
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Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-22 by sarsipri

The scsi zip drive has special commands that are not supported by the 
SDX scsi. It can work if the drive is formatted by a normal pc / mac, 
the zipdrive will show as a normal harddisk drive. Now you can format 
it with sdx and it will work as a drive. A normal pc can eject and 
format a zipdrive and use the special commands, this is inside the 
driver you install in your pc.


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<rolandbrenner@...> wrote:
>
> Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so 
therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI 
devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" ) by 
either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert 
myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the 
SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive 
on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect 
the HD installation procedure.
>  
> The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is 
not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not 
format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
>  
> Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my 
hair is gone?
> 
> 
> - Roland
> http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You 
know you need to 
> assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP 
media need to be 
> formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's 
exactly the same 
> procedure
> Bye
> Wolfgang
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click to see huge collection of designer watches.
> 
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlxzCg53842U0TbuS
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Re: [Simmons Drums] Betr: Re: scsi-zip-sdx

2008-09-22 by Patrice Jacquot

& The SDX is a Mac based computer ...







Le 22 sept. 08 à 20:31, sarsipri a écrit :

> The scsi zip drive has special commands that are not supported by the
> SDX scsi. It can work if the drive is formatted by a normal pc / mac,
> the zipdrive will show as a normal harddisk drive. Now you can format
> it with sdx and it will work as a drive. A normal pc can eject and
> format a zipdrive and use the special commands, this is inside the
> driver you install in your pc.
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "rolandbrenner@..."
> <rolandbrenner@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well as I mentioned previously, I removed the HD from the chain so
> therefore the zip was the only device other than the floppy. SCSI
> devices have a way of terminating ( or as you refer "addressing" ) by
> either switches ( Zip ) or resistor packs ( HD's ). I'm no expert
> myself, but I have to believe by removing all other devices in the
> SCSI chain, the computer should at least try to access the zip drive
> on boot up. I actually used this method to troubleshoot and perfect
> the HD installation procedure.
> >
> > The media issue would be secondary as ( again ) the drive itself is
> not currently recognized by the SDX. In other words, you can not
> format a disk that is in a non-functional drive.
> >
> > Anybody else have any info they could possibly share before all my
> hair is gone?
> >
> >
> > - Roland
> > http://www.myspace.com/roland_brenner
> > Do you possibly have any conflicts with your SCSI adressing? You
> know you need to
> > assign unique adresses to each SCSI device in the chain. The ZIP
> media need to be
> > formatted just as the internal harddrive before you can use. It's
> exactly the same
> > procedure
> > Bye
> > Wolfgang
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Click to see huge collection of designer watches.
> >
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