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The suitcase ended at 330 pounds and this standard SDS-V was sold at 800 
euros!:-o
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-47294-18009-0/4?mfe=sidebar&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D130217497382

Ebay is a strange place. Some things sell expensive and other just 
barely... I guess it proves that it's a small world since you only need 
two morons to get a crazy price and only one lucky bastard to get a bargain.

-- 
electronically yours, jesper - with a newly trimmed Cat SRM
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
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Probably it's about time to employ a security service.
By the way. Following the suicase kit discussion I thought it was
about time to restore mine. I replaced the disappearing rubber foam
and took care about the loose solder joints. So far it appears "as
new". The only thing missing is the top finish (the red textile).
Probably I replace it against some snake skin or so. Any suggestions
are appreciated :-)
I found out the all parts of the suicase are standard stuff (XLR
plugs, ply wood hexagons and the black lexan/makrolon material) but
the outer plastic suicase. So if anybody is interested to build his
own one: The "expnsive" part are the XLR plugs. If you find a suitcase
like that or if you build a road suitcase (width=33cm, depth=37cm,
height=10cm inside), all other parts together won't cost more
than30-40 Euros. Pics and the stencil for the rubber foam coming soon


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> The suitcase ended at 330 pounds and this standard SDS-V was sold at
800 
> euros!:-o
>
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-47294-18009-0/4?mfe=sidebar&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D130217497382
> 
> Ebay is a strange place. Some things sell expensive and other just 
> barely... I guess it proves that it's a small world since you only need 
> two morons to get a crazy price and only one lucky bastard to get a
bargain.

> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper - with a newly trimmed Cat SRM
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>

... and I would like to share my enthusiasm about the suitcase: A real
funny piece of cheap components but the perfect way to trigger a fully
loaded SDSV unit with "the real feel" of drumming on a kitchen table.
I don't want to miss it. And if I don't set it up on a bass speaker, I
don't have any cross triggering at all

--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
<superwolle70@...> wrote:
>
> Probably it's about time to employ a security service.
> By the way. Following the suicase kit discussion I thought it was
> about time to restore mine. I replaced the disappearing rubber foam
> and took care about the loose solder joints. So far it appears "as
> new". The only thing missing is the top finish (the red textile).
> Probably I replace it against some snake skin or so. Any suggestions
> are appreciated :-)
> I found out the all parts of the suicase are standard stuff (XLR
> plugs, ply wood hexagons and the black lexan/makrolon material) but
> the outer plastic suicase. So if anybody is interested to build his
> own one: The "expnsive" part are the XLR plugs. If you find a suitcase
> like that or if you build a road suitcase (width=33cm, depth=37cm,
> height=10cm inside), all other parts together won't cost more
> than30-40 Euros. Pics and the stencil for the rubber foam coming soon
> 
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote:
> >
> > The suitcase ended at 330 pounds and this standard SDS-V was sold at
> 800 
> > euros!:-o
> >
>
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-47294-18009-0/4?mfe=sidebar&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D130217497382
> > 
> > Ebay is a strange place. Some things sell expensive and other just 
> > barely... I guess it proves that it's a small world since you only
need 

> > two morons to get a crazy price and only one lucky bastard to get a
> bargain.
> > 
> > -- 
> > electronically yours, jesper - with a newly trimmed Cat SRM
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > www.myspace.com/machinepop
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> >
>

Well interesting ...

It's true that the suitcase deserves a better status...

it's the first multipad !

I could be tempted to make one ...

So thanks for sharing your pics... ;-)

Patrice.



Le 5 mai 08 à 08:52, superwolle70 a écrit :

> ... and I would like to share my enthusiasm about the suitcase: A real
> funny piece of cheap components but the perfect way to trigger a fully
> loaded SDSV unit with "the real feel" of drumming on a kitchen table.
> I don't want to miss it. And if I don't set it up on a bass speaker, I
> don't have any cross triggering at all
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
> <superwolle70@...> wrote:
> >
> > Probably it's about time to employ a security service.
> > By the way. Following the suicase kit discussion I thought it was
> > about time to restore mine. I replaced the disappearing rubber foam
> > and took care about the loose solder joints. So far it appears "as
> > new". The only thing missing is the top finish (the red textile).
> > Probably I replace it against some snake skin or so. Any suggestions
> > are appreciated :-)
> > I found out the all parts of the suicase are standard stuff (XLR
> > plugs, ply wood hexagons and the black lexan/makrolon material) but
> > the outer plastic suicase. So if anybody is interested to build his
> > own one: The "expnsive" part are the XLR plugs. If you find a  
> suitcase
> > like that or if you build a road suitcase (width=33cm, depth=37cm,
> > height=10cm inside), all other parts together won't cost more
> > than30-40 Euros. Pics and the stencil for the rubber foam coming  
> soon
> >
> >
> > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The suitcase ended at 330 pounds and this standard SDS-V was  
> sold at
> > 800
> > > euros!:-o
> > >
> >
> http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-47294-18009-0/4?mfe=sidebar&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D130217497382
> > >
> > > Ebay is a strange place. Some things sell expensive and other just
> > > barely... I guess it proves that it's a small world since you only
> need
> > > two morons to get a crazy price and only one lucky bastard to  
> get a
> > bargain.
> > >
> > > --
> > > electronically yours, jesper - with a newly trimmed Cat SRM
> > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > > www.myspace.com/machinepop
> > > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > >
> >
>
>
> 



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Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> 
> 
> Well interesting ...
> 
> It's true that the suitcase deserves a better status...
> 
> it's the first multipad !
> 
> I could be tempted to make one ...

:D

I have a bunch spare piezos and one or two old cases. So yes, I can feel 
tempted too. Not sure what I'd use it for though. I've always thought 
the octapad and it's siblings are among the ugliest pieces of gear around.

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

So... If you want to surprise your wifes with something self made, I
will make a how-to guide to build your own almost exact copy of the
suitcase. If she does not know what to do with it: Keep it for yourself


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
>
> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> > 
> > 
> > Well interesting ...
> > 
> > It's true that the suitcase deserves a better status...
> > 
> > it's the first multipad !
> > 
> > I could be tempted to make one ...
> 
> :D
> 
> I have a bunch spare piezos and one or two old cases. So yes, I can
feel 
> tempted too. Not sure what I'd use it for though. I've always thought 
> the octapad and it's siblings are among the ugliest pieces of gear
around.

> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>

:-)


Le 5 mai 08 à 12:44, superwolle70 a écrit :

> So... If you want to surprise your wifes with something self made, I
> will make a how-to guide to build your own almost exact copy of the
> suitcase. If she does not know what to do with it: Keep it for  
> yourself
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
> >
> > Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well interesting ...
> > >
> > > It's true that the suitcase deserves a better status...
> > >
> > > it's the first multipad !
> > >
> > > I could be tempted to make one ...
> >
> > :D
> >
> > I have a bunch spare piezos and one or two old cases. So yes, I can
> feel
> > tempted too. Not sure what I'd use it for though. I've always  
> thought
> > the octapad and it's siblings are among the ugliest pieces of gear
> around.
> >
> > --
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > www.myspace.com/machinepop
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> >
>
>
> 



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superwolle70 skrev:
> 
> 
> So... If you want to surprise your wifes with something self made, I
> will make a how-to guide to build your own almost exact copy of the
> suitcase. If she does not know what to do with it: Keep it for yourself

I guess I keep mine then, having no wife to give it to...

But... a cool one with flames and skull-shaped pads would surely make my 
daughter happy on the other hand! :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

I actually like the Octapad, although the pads themselves are a little
too rigid. I use it for triggering non-percussion sounds, mostly.

By the way, has anyone had a chance to listen to that audio file I
posted of my possibly malfunctioning SDS1? I'd really value an opinion
of what might be the issue with the distortion I'm hearing.

Thanks,

Jim Stewart


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, jesper <jesper@...> wrote:
> 
> I have a bunch spare piezos and one or two old cases. So yes, I can
feel 
> tempted too. Not sure what I'd use it for though. I've always thought 
> the octapad and it's siblings are among the ugliest pieces of gear
around.

> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>

Patrice,

BTW, the suitcase isn't the first "multipad" unless you mean a box with 
just outputs and no sound generator. I came to think of this today when 
I kicked my Star Synare PS-1 back to life.

That one is more of a mallet type of intrument though... a mallet with a 
ring modulator. %-)

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Yes, for me a multipad is without soundgenerator ...
But that's my drummer historiyal point of view...
After Roland brought some octapad with sounds which became the SPD  
series...

But the multipad stay for me the Simmons suitase, the Roland octapad ,  
the Drumkat, the Trapkat, the ddrum something ;-) the hart dynamics  
(?) , the Portakit, The Drumstation(with sounds), The Turtletrap ...

It's true that I don't know the Star synare you're mentioning...

do you have any pics ?



Le 6 mai 08 à 22:19, jesper a écrit :

> Patrice,
>
> BTW, the suitcase isn't the first "multipad" unless you mean a box  
> with
> just outputs and no sound generator. I came to think of this today  
> when
> I kicked my Star Synare PS-1 back to life.
>
> That one is more of a mallet type of intrument though... a mallet  
> with a
> ring modulator. %-)
>
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>
> 



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--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, Patrice Jacquot 

Patrice,
here are some links (not mine though) to the Synare multi pads.  They 
were sooo expensive back in the late 70's.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/matrixsynth/1802271448/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/matrixsynth/492065098/in/set-
72157600199274466/

http://www.keyboardmuseum.com/ar/s/snar/snar.html

Roger


<Jacquot.Patrice@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, for me a multipad is without soundgenerator ...
> But that's my drummer historiyal point of view...
> After Roland brought some octapad with sounds which became the SPD  
> series...
> 
> But the multipad stay for me the Simmons suitase, the Roland 
octapad ,  
> the Drumkat, the Trapkat, the ddrum something ;-) the hart 
dynamics  
> (?) , the Portakit, The Drumstation(with sounds), The Turtletrap ...
> 
> It's true that I don't know the Star synare you're mentioning...
> 
> do you have any pics ?
> 
> 
> 
> Le 6 mai 08 à 22:19, jesper a écrit :
> 
> > Patrice,
> >
> > BTW, the suitcase isn't the first "multipad" unless you mean a 
box  
> > with
> > just outputs and no sound generator. I came to think of this 
today  
> > when
> > I kicked my Star Synare PS-1 back to life.
> >
> > That one is more of a mallet type of intrument though... a 
mallet  

> > with a
> > ring modulator. %-)
> >
> > -- 
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > www.myspace.com/machinepop
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> It's true that I don't know the Star synare you're mentioning...
> 
> do you have any pics ?

Mine is quite beaten (stupid drummers!) but this is what it looks like 
before touring; 
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/10/star-instruments-synare-ps-1-drum-synth.html

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Ok...
We could consider that like a multipad...
& like a sort of keyboard too (you're right)...
I was quite addicted to the Edrums adverts in the 80's but never saw  
that.
thanks for the info, the drummer I am will be a bit lessssss stupid  
then... ;-)

thanks for the pics guys...

Patrice.





Le 7 mai 08 à 10:38, jesper a écrit :

> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> > It's true that I don't know the Star synare you're mentioning...
> >
> > do you have any pics ?
>
> Mine is quite beaten (stupid drummers!) but this is what it looks like
> before touring;
> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/10/star-instruments-synare-ps-1-drum-synth.html
>
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> www.myspace.com/machinepop
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>
> 



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this thing looks COOL!
I haven't seem this ever. Does anybody know there on ebay sometimes or somewhere
else??

Yours Berk

>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: Patrice Jacquot <Jacquot.Patrice@...>
>Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:48:33 +0200
>Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: while at the topic of high ebay prices...
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>  Ok...
>We could consider that like a multipad...
>& like a sort of keyboard too (you're right)...
>I was quite addicted to the Edrums adverts in the 80's but never saw  
>that.
>thanks for the info, the drummer I am will be a bit lessssss stupid  
>then... ;-)
>
>thanks for the pics guys...
>
>Patrice.
>
>
>
>
>
>Le 7 mai 08 à 10:38, jesper a écrit :
>
>> Patrice Jacquot skrev:
>> > It's true that I don't know the Star synare you're mentioning...
>> >
>> > do you have any pics ?
>>
>> Mine is quite beaten (stupid drummers!) but this is what it looks like
>> before touring;
>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/10/star-instruments-synare-ps-1-drum-synth.html
>>
>> -- 
>> electronically yours, jesper
>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>> www.electronic-obsession.se
>> www.myspace.com/machinepop
>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Patrice Jacquot skrev:
> 
> 
> Ok...
> We could consider that like a multipad...
> & like a sort of keyboard too (you're right)...
> I was quite addicted to the Edrums adverts in the 80's but never saw
> that.

Might be the reason, this is from the 70's and I doubt there was a lot 
of distribution outside the US. All I've seen have US plugs and run on 
110 volts.

> thanks for the info, the drummer I am will be a bit lessssss stupid
> then... ;-)
> 
> thanks for the pics guys...

No problem. :D

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Berk Aarts skrev:
> this thing looks COOL!
> I haven't seem this ever. Does anybody know there on ebay sometimes or somewhere
> else??

Now and then on Ebay but mainly Ebay.com
I bought mine at Vemia two years ago...

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Jesper
if I may ask, what did you pay for it??

greets Berk

>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se>
>Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:28:26 +0200
>Subject: Re: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: while at the topic of high ebay
> prices...
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Berk Aarts skrev:
>> this thing looks COOL!
>> I haven't seem this ever. Does anybody know there on ebay sometimes or
>somewhere
>> else??
>
>Now and then on Ebay but mainly Ebay.com
>I bought mine at Vemia two years ago...
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
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>www.myspace.com/machinepop
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>
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Berk Aarts skrev:
> Jesper
> if I may ask, what did you pay for it??

No problem. But first... It was in horrible condition (and still is in 
part). There was no guarantee as far as the functions were concerned. 10 
of the 21 slider shafts were broken and the pads (which is originally 
hard foam) suffered from foam rot so they were sticky and generally 
disgusting.

As I remember it being described in the auction; "...large hitting 
surfaces that you could dance on, and this one looks like somebody did 
just that!" :D

So... I won it at something like 60 pounds which I consider one hell of 
a bargain. I saw a Synare 2 (basically a sonically stripped version but 
with sequencer) being sold on ebay at 1200 USD or so. The Synare 3 which 
is just a pad with knobs around the rim often trade hands at 300 euros 
here in Europe.

All sliders do work and there was a short circuiting issue in one of the 
pads but that was it. I've cleaned it, added Kenton Kadi (in a spot that 
was especially badly scratched WT! ;) ) to it and removed the sticky 
foam in favour of new pads, courtesy of IKEA (mousepads originally!).

But I still need to find new sliders, I'd like to change all of them and 
add some slider tops. As it is now I have a small screwdriver lying 
beside it to program it (to reach the broken slider shafts). :S

Here it is in it's natural habitat. :D
http://www.electronic-obsession.se/studio/studio_sting_synths_n_pads_web.jpg

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Came to think of one thing I've noticed with the Synare. If you strike 
two zones at the same time (the Synare PS-1 has 12 of these zones, three 
under each pad) there's no lowest or highest priority like on most 
analogue monosynths. Instead it adds the voltages together giving you 
the chance of reaching higher pitches.

Weird... I wonder if it was intended originally. The PCB looks like it 
was soldered at the local (Cincinnati) Zoo.

Have anyone heard of something similar?

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

cool
does it work with piezo for triggering, or are there some kind of switches
underneath.
The price you paid is very nice, but considering the amount off freetime
I have, It wouldn't be my cup off tea to repair this kind off machine. But
what I see, I get the feeling it's a cool thing.

Thanks for sharing
Yours Berk
PS still like your carpet and wallpaper

Berk Aarts skrev:
> cool
> does it work with piezo for triggering, or are there some kind of switches
> underneath.

You wouldn't believe the design;

---------- thin sheet of aluminium ----------
------------ widely spaced tape -------------
---------- thin sheet of aluminium ----------

A semi-good "whack" short-circuits the two sheets and you get a trigger. 
Simple but surprisingly effective.

> The price you paid is very nice, but considering the amount off freetime
> I have, It wouldn't be my cup off tea to repair this kind off machine. But
> what I see, I get the feeling it's a cool thing.

I know that feeling. I just couldn't help myself. :D I mainly buy stuff 
that's working 'cause I like to use them but this was far too cool and 
far too cheap to let go.

> Thanks for sharing
> Yours Berk
> PS still like your carpet and wallpaper

Thanks! :D
There will be new shots up soon 'cause I just bought myself a fisheye 
lens on the 'bay.

-- 
electronically yours, jesper
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se
www.myspace.com/machinepop
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