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From: "randaleem" <randaleem@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone offering


> Michael, Yes, receieved them. Thank you.
>
> Anyone interested in getting one or more of these clones, please let
> me know offlist.
>
> Let me know if you want an exact clone or one with add-ons or
> deletions? Some idea of what you consider to be a fair price would
> be nice to know, and very helpful.
>
> The number of voices will be up to you; it does not have to be four.
>
> I'm considering offering up a modular analog drum set; in addition
> to the SDS3 modles; I plan to have bass, hi-hat and snare voices
> available. And some control stuff to boot<G>(both MIDI and non-MIDI).
>
> I'm not really into doing the pads yet, but I do like the REAL pads
> of the orig SDS3. I'm looking into Mandala technology too; but first
> things first.
>
> Any thoughts on this I'd like to hear; again offlist.
>
> Randal (more below)
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Randal,
>>But, why only cloning it? Why not adding some nice things like an
>>oscillator? Or a separate LFO for every channel? More (7...)
>>channels? Change these ramp generators a little. Leave away this
>>mic on/off fet circuit and the pad inputs (the pads work fine on
>>the mic inputs).
>
> Yes, but spometimes basic and simple works too.
>
>>Then you can be sure not to lose at court/
>
> Once you're in court; you've already lost!
>
>>I will send the material I have to your private email address
>>tomorrow because  have to reduce the mbyte size of the photos a
>>little.
>
> Thank you. FWIW, I can receive up to 100meg files.
>
> B t w: Do you OWN an original SDS3/4?
>
> No, but soon I'll have its clone.<G>
>
>>Ps.: I definitely SEE a problem in cloning an SDX.
>
> Have not had time to look into all the Simmons back catalog; but i
> have squirreled away as much info as I could find on various Simmons
> products online.
>
>
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: randaleem
>>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:29 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
>>
>>
>>   Michael,
>>
>>   Thank you for the offer of help; I'd appreciate seeing the
>>   schematics and any pics you might have as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> > products online.
> >
> >
> >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>   From: randaleem
> >>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >>   Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:29 AM
> >>   Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
> >>
> >>
> >>   Michael,
> >>
> >>   Thank you for the offer of help; I'd appreciate seeing the
> >>   schematics and any pics you might have as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "randaleem" <randaleem@...> wrote:
> From a practical point; it takes about 5 circuits which can between 
> them take care of most all percussion sounds. After that, you're 
> adding depth and variations. Then specialisation. And control.

>
> Jesper, and others,
> 
> What do you feel is "decently priced" for a basic 4 voice setup (no 
> pads)?
> 
> How about 8 voices? (toms, bass, snare, hi-hats, cymbals, etc.)
> 
> From a practical point; it takes about 5 circuits which can between 
> them take care of most all percussion sounds. After that, you're 
> adding depth and variations. Then specialisation. And control.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Randal
> 
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
> >
> > I think that there is a market for a decently priced modular drum 
> synth. 
> > Pick the best of all worlds and not having to focus on VCO 
> stability. Sell 
> > frames and add-ons. THe technokids with daddys wallet would love 
> it I bet. 
> > =)
> > 
> > 909 bass
> > 808 snare
> > 606 hihats
> > claptrap clap
> > Synare effects
> > SDS-3 channels
> > Minipops 7 guiro
> > etc
> > 
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> > 
> > Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> > split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> > 
> > "Varför har du så många pianon?" (Nora Persson, 9 år)
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "randaleem" <randaleem@>
> > To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 AM
> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone offering
> > 
> > 
> > > Michael, Yes, receieved them. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Anyone interested in getting one or more of these clones, please 
> let
> > > me know offlist.
> > >
> > > Let me know if you want an exact clone or one with add-ons or
> > > deletions? Some idea of what you consider to be a fair price 
> would
> > > be nice to know, and very helpful.
> > >
> > > The number of voices will be up to you; it does not have to be 
> four.
> > >
> > > I'm considering offering up a modular analog drum set; in 
> addition
> > > to the SDS3 modles; I plan to have bass, hi-hat and snare voices
> > > available. And some control stuff to boot<G>(both MIDI and non-
> MIDI).
> > >
> > > I'm not really into doing the pads yet, but I do like the REAL 
> pads
> > > of the orig SDS3. I'm looking into Mandala technology too; but 
> first
> > > things first.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on this I'd like to hear; again offlist.
> > >
> > > Randal (more below)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Randal,
> > >>But, why only cloning it? Why not adding some nice things like an
> > >>oscillator? Or a separate LFO for every channel? More (7...)
> > >>channels? Change these ramp generators a little. Leave away this
> > >>mic on/off fet circuit and the pad inputs (the pads work fine on
> > >>the mic inputs).
> > >
> > > Yes, but spometimes basic and simple works too.
> > >
> > >>Then you can be sure not to lose at court/
> > >
> > > Once you're in court; you've already lost!
> > >
> > >>I will send the material I have to your private email address
> > >>tomorrow because  have to reduce the mbyte size of the photos a
> > >>little.
> > >
> > > Thank you. FWIW, I can receive up to 100meg files.
> > >
> > > B t w: Do you OWN an original SDS3/4?
> > >
> > > No, but soon I'll have its clone.<G>
> > >
> > >>Ps.: I definitely SEE a problem in cloning an SDX.
> > >
> > > Have not had time to look into all the Simmons back catalog; but 
> i
> > > have squirreled away as much info as I could find on various 
> Simmons
> > > products online.
> > >
> > >
> > >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >>   From: randaleem
> > >>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >>   Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:29 AM
> > >>   Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   Michael,
> > >>
> > >>   Thank you for the offer of help; I'd appreciate seeing the
> > >>   schematics and any pics you might have as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "superwolle70" <superwolle70@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone offering


Hi Randal,
does anybody you know the "VERMONA DRM 1"? (I don't...)
8-channel analog drum sysnthesizer. This might be a competitor and
probably a good rule in finding the "decent price". In Germany it is
sold for about 600-700 Euro

http://www.vermona.com/en/produkte/drm/drm1.html

Bye
Wolfgang


--- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "randaleem" <randaleem@...> wrote:
>
> Jesper, and others,
>
> What do you feel is "decently priced" for a basic 4 voice setup (no
> pads)?
>
> How about 8 voices? (toms, bass, snare, hi-hats, cymbals, etc.)
>
> From a practical point; it takes about 5 circuits which can between
> them take care of most all percussion sounds. After that, you're
> adding depth and variations. Then specialisation. And control.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randal
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
> >
> > I think that there is a market for a decently priced modular drum
> synth.
> > Pick the best of all worlds and not having to focus on VCO
> stability. Sell
> > frames and add-ons. THe technokids with daddys wallet would love
> it I bet.
> > =)
> >
> > 909 bass
> > 808 snare
> > 606 hihats
> > claptrap clap
> > Synare effects
> > SDS-3 channels
> > Minipops 7 guiro
> > etc
> >
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se
> >
> > Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
> > split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
> >
> > "Varf\ufffdr har du s\ufffd m\ufffdnga pianon?" (Nora Persson, 9 \ufffdr)
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "randaleem" <randaleem@>
> > To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:13 AM
> > Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone offering
> >
> >
> > > Michael, Yes, receieved them. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Anyone interested in getting one or more of these clones, please
> let
> > > me know offlist.
> > >
> > > Let me know if you want an exact clone or one with add-ons or
> > > deletions? Some idea of what you consider to be a fair price
> would
> > > be nice to know, and very helpful.
> > >
> > > The number of voices will be up to you; it does not have to be
> four.
> > >
> > > I'm considering offering up a modular analog drum set; in
> addition
> > > to the SDS3 modles; I plan to have bass, hi-hat and snare voices
> > > available. And some control stuff to boot<G>(both MIDI and non-
> MIDI).
> > >
> > > I'm not really into doing the pads yet, but I do like the REAL
> pads
> > > of the orig SDS3. I'm looking into Mandala technology too; but
> first
> > > things first.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on this I'd like to hear; again offlist.
> > >
> > > Randal (more below)
> > >
> > > --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <michael.buchner@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Randal,
> > >>But, why only cloning it? Why not adding some nice things like an
> > >>oscillator? Or a separate LFO for every channel? More (7...)
> > >>channels? Change these ramp generators a little. Leave away this
> > >>mic on/off fet circuit and the pad inputs (the pads work fine on
> > >>the mic inputs).
> > >
> > > Yes, but spometimes basic and simple works too.
> > >
> > >>Then you can be sure not to lose at court/
> > >
> > > Once you're in court; you've already lost!
> > >
> > >>I will send the material I have to your private email address
> > >>tomorrow because  have to reduce the mbyte size of the photos a
> > >>little.
> > >
> > > Thank you. FWIW, I can receive up to 100meg files.
> > >
> > > B t w: Do you OWN an original SDS3/4?
> > >
> > > No, but soon I'll have its clone.<G>
> > >
> > >>Ps.: I definitely SEE a problem in cloning an SDX.
> > >
> > > Have not had time to look into all the Simmons back catalog; but
> i
> > > have squirreled away as much info as I could find on various
> Simmons
> > > products online.
> > >
> > >
> > >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >>   From: randaleem
> > >>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > >>   Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:29 AM
> > >>   Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   Michael,
> > >>
> > >>   Thank you for the offer of help; I'd appreciate seeing the
> > >>   schematics and any pics you might have as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>





Yahoo! Groups Links

> > i
> > > > have squirreled away as much info as I could find on various 
> > Simmons
> > > > products online.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >>   From: randaleem
> > > >>   To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>   Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:29 AM
> > > >>   Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>   Michael,
> > > >>
> > > >>   Thank you for the offer of help; I'd appreciate seeing the
> > > >>   schematics and any pics you might have as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> sold for about 600-700 Euro
> 
> http://www.vermona.com/en/produkte/drm/drm1.html
> 
> Bye
> Wolfgang

> snare, 
> > effects, bells, clap etc. I sold it since what it did good my 
> other stuff 
> > did better + it took up far too much space in the rack...
> > 
> > My K2-X is 8-channel too and I love the setup with identical 
> voices not 
> > forcing you to think "bass" is bass channel, "snare" is snare 
> channel etc. 
> > You can just tweak 8 snares if you like, or whatever...
> > 
> > electronically yours, jesper
> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > www.electronic-obsession.se

From: "randaleem" <randaleem@...>
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone offering


> Jesper,
>
> So, I'm surprised. I found it in the archive here.
>
> Tell me more about it, please?
>
> Randal
>
> "I recently bought an Ultimate Percussion K2-X including two pads.
> It's a bit temperamental (bad soldering somewhere?) but a friend is
> having a look at it. I was amazed how simple the inside was and it
> reminded me a lot of my SDS-IV when it came to number of IC's and
> controls but also the sounds it was able to produce.
>
> 8 channels and totally analogue from 1984... I'm not going to
> complain! ;)"
>
>
>
> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "randaleem" <randaleem@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Jesper,
>>
>> What is a K2-X? Internet searches turn up nothing. Is it digital?
>>
>> I'd be surprised if it is analog. Analog circuits need to be tuned
>> to specific ranges for best results. Of course a computer can run
>> whatever program on whatever channel you want. But that's no
> longer
>> an analog drum kit. (and I'm not getting into whether one is
> better
>> or not. I just want to stay with analog voices for what I'm
> working
>> on. Digital for control is great.
>>
>> Randal
>>
>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, <jesper@> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've owned one, if you talk about the mark II one released a few
>> years
>> > ago... 8 channels with slightly different layout to emulate
> bass,
>> snare,
>> > effects, bells, clap etc. I sold it since what it did good my
>> other stuff
>> > did better + it took up far too much space in the rack...
>> >
>> > My K2-X is 8-channel too and I love the setup with identical
>> voices not
>> > forcing you to think "bass" is bass channel, "snare" is snare
>> channel etc.
>> > You can just tweak 8 snares if you like, or whatever...
>> >
>> > electronically yours, jesper
>> > - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>> > www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>