le 18/06/07 22:11, Berk Aarts à B.E.R.K@... a écrit :
> Jeeh
> What I like about the SDX is the zone intelligent thing
> the sampling option the 16 outputs the user interface
> and the feel off the pads
>
> what I don't like is the size an weight
> 16 monophonic outputs, the ram size
>
> So what the NEW sdx should have is
> 16 polyphonic outputs, an onboard hardware mixer (like those
> midicontrollerthings)
> for volume panning and effect sends ( perhaps 2 stereo out would be enough
> then??), onboard effects true zone intelligent ( the "old" sdx had zone
> intelligence but "only" from center
> to rim) dampening function/sustaining/aftertouch with the stick
> Enough ram ( say 1 Gb), Usb, wav.file importing, sampling, loopsampler with
> loops keeping in track ( like ableton)
> Is this a bit ambitious?
>
> This is just a quick brainstorm session in my own head
> So anybody is invited to jump on the bandwagon
> perhaps if enough people join in, we can make it happen
>
> greetz Berk
>
>
>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>> From: "randaleem" <randaleem@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:03:56 -0000
>> Subject: Betr: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> Berk,
>>
>> Not sure what you mean?
>>
>> It could end with a new product that includes some things you
>> personally thought it should have...
>>
>> What are you thinking?
>>
>> Randal
>>
>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool
>>> I have some ideas on this as well
>>>
>>> I'm wondering where this ends
>>>
>>> Berk
>>>
>>>
>>>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>>>> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>>> From: "randaleem" <randaleem@...>
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:36:40 -0000
>>>> Subject: Betr: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design
>> rights?
>>>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Take the best of what we remember from the past and
>> update
>>>> where it makes sense to do so.
>>>>
>>>> I have some thoughts on pads like that; am not sure if its
>> already
>>>> been done? (I'm still just discovering this part of the world<G>)
>>>>
>>>> I can think of a few ways to get position info from the pad, to
>> be
>>>> applied to MIDI choices. Don't yet know enough abot the Mandala
>> and
>>>> its competitors? Need to see about patents and such.
>>>>
>>>> Randal
>>>>
>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70"
>>>> <superwolle70@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Concerning the SDX: There's nothing but the original. But the
>>>> original
>>>>> is nothing more like an old 68k PC with a buggy OS. Why should
>> an
>>>>> intelligent person clone a piece of unfinished innovation with
>> 20
>>>>> years old hardware? It would be better to construct pads which
>> can
>>>>> assign different midi notes depending on where and how hard
>> they
>>>> get
>>>>> hit. The rest can be done with any common software sampler. I
>> have
>>>> 2
>>>>> SDX and I know what I am talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not talking making it commercial
>>>>>> just build for your own sake
>>>>>> and if you do that with say 10 persons, and everybody takes
>> up
>>>> tasks and
>>>>>> try to find the right parts for the best price, think it's
>> not
>>>> that
>>>>> expensive
>>>>>> Perhaps use the original sdx as a blueprint of how it should
>> work
>>>>> and function
>>>>>> and use a PC/mac as interfacing and sampler
>>>>>> So interfacing to the PC/mac would be the issue and writing
>> an
>>>> app
>>>>>> I think it can work on an atari 1040st
>>>>>> costs 30 euro's and a lot of time too write the app
>>>>>> Sounds easy right??
>>>>>> Sorry but I can't write any computerprogram, I can solder and
>>>> build
>>>>> so who
>>>>>> knows, someone have any ideas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Berk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>> From: <jesper@>
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:26:53 +0200
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design
>> rights?
>>>>>>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, so any cloner needs the original floppy set then. I
>> highly
>>>>> doubt the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> financial part of trying to copy and market. I heard
>> somewhere
>>>> that
>>>>> Roland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> had checked the cost of taking up the production of the
>> Jupiter
>>>> 8 again
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the result was absurd so they put the idea on the shelf...
>> even
>>>> the
>>>>> SDS_V
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> hard to get rightr these days with the SSM filter chips
>> being
>>>> that
>>>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cloning the 3/4 is however a much cheaper business with just
>>>>> standard cheapo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> parts inside...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> electronically yours, jesper
>>>>>>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>>>>>> www.electronic-obsession.se
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
>>>>>>> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Varför har du så många pianon?" (Nora Persson, 9 år)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@>
>>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:22 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design
>>>> rights?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Software is booting from flop
>>>>>>> it runs on a 68000 ( kinda atari I guess)
>>>>>>> that would be the easy part
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Berk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>>>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> From: <jesper@>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:19:06 +0200
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The software isn't just on proms then? If so you can "just"
>>>> copy a set
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> go from there...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> electronically yours, jesper
>>>>>>>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>>>>>>>> www.electronic-obsession.se
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan
>>>>>>>> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Varför har du så många pianon?" (Nora Persson, 9 år)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Dave B" <bongo2001@>
>>>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:16 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone may have the schematic, but the trick would be
>>>> getting the
>>>>>>>>> software, wouldn't it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was the SDX the one that used multi-zone FSR pads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While we're on it
>>>>>>>>>> Why not clone the SDX??
>>>>>>>>>> There is someone here owning the scematics, right??
>>>>>>>>>> if some could do that, and add some xtra features( like
>> more
>>>>> ram, bigger
>>>>>>>>>> harddisk, polyphonic outputs), count me in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Berk
>>>>>>>>>
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Hi again,
sorry I'm just discovering messages one after ones ...
Well about the SDX, if someone is definitely thinking seriously to clone it
, I'll have some request too...but the main one is to keep this incredible
grain !!!
Ten years ago, I proposed the idea to Dave to devellop a plug-in version but
keeping a dedicated soundcard that would keep the dynamic & the analogic
/digital grain...unfortunetaly soundunit had to close a bit after this
...but he seemed quite intersted in the concept , he simply didn't have the
money to do it ...
I think it could be a good beginning ...
I think the big thing is that ; keeping a software Mac or PC based for the
samples storage,editing & library, a triggering interface that allows Zones
& especially that converters & filters quality ...
After let's talk about the software & detailed requests...
the pads will have to be Mesheads ones for the expanded dynamic it gives ...
but Waow ; it's a big big work !!!
As I said , good luck & let me know !!!
Patrice.
PS therefore Ithink that the most urgent to clone (?) in SImmons products is
the less reliable one ; the SDS7 !!! a wonderful sound for so many angers to
have lost the memories ... speak soon ...