le 18/06/07 22:11, Berk Aarts à B.E.R.K@... a écrit : > Jeeh > What I like about the SDX is the zone intelligent thing > the sampling option the 16 outputs the user interface > and the feel off the pads > > what I don't like is the size an weight > 16 monophonic outputs, the ram size > > So what the NEW sdx should have is > 16 polyphonic outputs, an onboard hardware mixer (like those > midicontrollerthings) > for volume panning and effect sends ( perhaps 2 stereo out would be enough > then??), onboard effects true zone intelligent ( the "old" sdx had zone > intelligence but "only" from center > to rim) dampening function/sustaining/aftertouch with the stick > Enough ram ( say 1 Gb), Usb, wav.file importing, sampling, loopsampler with > loops keeping in track ( like ableton) > Is this a bit ambitious? > > This is just a quick brainstorm session in my own head > So anybody is invited to jump on the bandwagon > perhaps if enough people join in, we can make it happen > > greetz Berk > > >> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >> From: "randaleem" <randaleem@yahoo.com> >> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:03:56 -0000 >> Subject: Betr: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights? >> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> Berk, >> >> Not sure what you mean? >> >> It could end with a new product that includes some things you >> personally thought it should have... >> >> What are you thinking? >> >> Randal >> >> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@...> >> wrote: >>> >>> Cool >>> I have some ideas on this as well >>> >>> I'm wondering where this ends >>> >>> Berk >>> >>> >>>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >>>> To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >>>> From: "randaleem" <randaleem@...> >>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:36:40 -0000 >>>> Subject: Betr: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design >> rights? >>>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed. Take the best of what we remember from the past and >> update >>>> where it makes sense to do so. >>>> >>>> I have some thoughts on pads like that; am not sure if its >> already >>>> been done? (I'm still just discovering this part of the world<G>) >>>> >>>> I can think of a few ways to get position info from the pad, to >> be >>>> applied to MIDI choices. Don't yet know enough abot the Mandala >> and >>>> its competitors? Need to see about patents and such. >>>> >>>> Randal >>>> >>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "superwolle70" >>>> <superwolle70@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Concerning the SDX: There's nothing but the original. But the >>>> original >>>>> is nothing more like an old 68k PC with a buggy OS. Why should >> an >>>>> intelligent person clone a piece of unfinished innovation with >> 20 >>>>> years old hardware? It would be better to construct pads which >> can >>>>> assign different midi notes depending on where and how hard >> they >>>> get >>>>> hit. The rest can be done with any common software sampler. I >> have >>>> 2 >>>>> SDX and I know what I am talking about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- In Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com, "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not talking making it commercial >>>>>> just build for your own sake >>>>>> and if you do that with say 10 persons, and everybody takes >> up >>>> tasks and >>>>>> try to find the right parts for the best price, think it's >> not >>>> that >>>>> expensive >>>>>> Perhaps use the original sdx as a blueprint of how it should >> work >>>>> and function >>>>>> and use a PC/mac as interfacing and sampler >>>>>> So interfacing to the PC/mac would be the issue and writing >> an >>>> app >>>>>> I think it can work on an atari 1040st >>>>>> costs 30 euro's and a lot of time too write the app >>>>>> Sounds easy right?? >>>>>> Sorry but I can't write any computerprogram, I can solder and >>>> build >>>>> so who >>>>>> knows, someone have any ideas >>>>>> >>>>>> Berk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> From: <jesper@> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:26:53 +0200 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design >> rights? >>>>>>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, so any cloner needs the original floppy set then. I >> highly >>>>> doubt the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> financial part of trying to copy and market. I heard >> somewhere >>>> that >>>>> Roland >>>>>>> >>>>>>> had checked the cost of taking up the production of the >> Jupiter >>>> 8 again >>>>>> but >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the result was absurd so they put the idea on the shelf... >> even >>>> the >>>>> SDS_V >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> hard to get rightr these days with the SSM filter chips >> being >>>> that >>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cloning the 3/4 is however a much cheaper business with just >>>>> standard cheapo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> parts inside... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> electronically yours, jesper >>>>>>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - >>>>>>> www.electronic-obsession.se >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan >>>>>>> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Varför har du så många pianon?" (Nora Persson, 9 år) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Berk Aarts" <B.E.R.K@> >>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:22 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Betr: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design >>>> rights? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Software is booting from flop >>>>>>> it runs on a 68000 ( kinda atari I guess) >>>>>>> that would be the easy part >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Berk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- >>>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>> From: <jesper@> >>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:19:06 +0200 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights? >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The software isn't just on proms then? If so you can "just" >>>> copy a set >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> go from there... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> electronically yours, jesper >>>>>>>> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - >>>>>>>> www.electronic-obsession.se >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Order your own copy of the Machinepop/Imiafan >>>>>>>> split-EP at www.electronic-obsession.se/label.asp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Varför har du så många pianon?" (Nora Persson, 9 år) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Dave B" <bongo2001@> >>>>>>>> To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:16 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Someone may have the schematic, but the trick would be >>>> getting the >>>>>>>>> software, wouldn't it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Was the SDX the one that used multi-zone FSR pads? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While we're on it >>>>>>>>>> Why not clone the SDX?? >>>>>>>>>> There is someone here owning the scematics, right?? >>>>>>>>>> if some could do that, and add some xtra features( like >> more >>>>> ram, bigger >>>>>>>>>> harddisk, polyphonic outputs), count me in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Berk >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >> _ >>>> ____________________ >>>>>>> 12move ADSL: Voordelig, snel en onbeperkt internet. >>>>>>> Meer informatie vind je op http://adsl.12move.nl >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >>>> ___________________ >>>>>> 12move ADSL: Voordelig, snel en onbeperkt internet. >>>>>> Meer informatie vind je op http://adsl.12move.nl >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___________________ >>> 12move ADSL: Voordelig, snel en onbeperkt internet. >>> Meer informatie vind je op http://adsl.12move.nl >>> >> >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > __________ > 12move ADSL: Voordelig, snel en onbeperkt internet. > Meer informatie vind je op http://adsl.12move.nl > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Hi again, sorry I'm just discovering messages one after ones ... Well about the SDX, if someone is definitely thinking seriously to clone it , I'll have some request too...but the main one is to keep this incredible grain !!! Ten years ago, I proposed the idea to Dave to devellop a plug-in version but keeping a dedicated soundcard that would keep the dynamic & the analogic /digital grain...unfortunetaly soundunit had to close a bit after this ...but he seemed quite intersted in the concept , he simply didn't have the money to do it ... I think it could be a good beginning ... I think the big thing is that ; keeping a software Mac or PC based for the samples storage,editing & library, a triggering interface that allows Zones & especially that converters & filters quality ... After let's talk about the software & detailed requests... the pads will have to be Mesheads ones for the expanded dynamic it gives ... but Waow ; it's a big big work !!! As I said , good luck & let me know !!! Patrice. PS therefore Ithink that the most urgent to clone (?) in SImmons products is the less reliable one ; the SDS7 !!! a wonderful sound for so many angers to have lost the memories ... speak soon ...
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Re: Betr: Re: Re: [Simmons Drums] Re: SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
2007-09-27 by Jack