Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

Hi,

I'm new here; hoping that someone might know how I could get
permission to clone the SDS3/4 drumsynths?

I read at Wikipedia that Guitar Center owns the rights to the Simmons
name. But I don't know yet if they have any prior circuit rights?

Anybody know any details?

I already have the information I need to do the clones; I'm looking
for the permissions to use the old circuit design.

ANY help will be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Randaleem

Best idea I¹ve heard in ages. Put me down for one of each.

Cheers.



From: randaleem <randaleem@...>
Reply-To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:54:57 -0000
To: <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?





Hi,

I'm new here; hoping that someone might know how I could get
permission to clone the SDS3/4 drumsynths?

I read at Wikipedia that Guitar Center owns the rights to the Simmons
name. But I don't know yet if they have any prior circuit rights?

Anybody know any details?

I already have the information I need to do the clones; I'm looking
for the permissions to use the old circuit design.

ANY help will be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Randaleem






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I don't know if anything in the Simmons circuits are patented. From
the schematics I've seen, there's nothing revolutionary going on, so I
really doubt it.

The trick would be letting people know you're selling an SDS3/4 clone
without using the Simmons name. That's when GC would get interested.

just copy them, and sell it like simmons3 clones
is done with other products
Berk

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>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: "randaleem" <randaleem@...>
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:54:57 -0000
>Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDS3/4 clone-Design rights?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm new here; hoping that someone might know how I could get
>permission to clone the SDS3/4 drumsynths?
>
>I read at Wikipedia that Guitar Center owns the rights to the Simmons
>name. But I don't know yet if they have any prior circuit rights?
>
>Anybody know any details?
>
>I already have the information I need to do the clones; I'm looking
>for the permissions to use the old circuit design.
>
>ANY help will be very much appreciated.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Randaleem
>

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Hi guys,
I had been out of connection for a loooong time...

About the permission to clone , I think there's only one guy that we all know
that could say more about that ; Dave of course !

Guitar centre bought the name in USA, but I doubt they would have bought all the
SImmons patent that are probably still owning to Dave himself through Simmons
ltd / Simmons digital / musicaid or whatever ...Well let's hope for him it's
still the case !!!

I didn't talk to dave for a long time now but I can try to ask him.

As Michael said, if you're making only one model , who cares but if you're
starting to sell a few, who knows ...

well anyway , I 'll ask him &let you know as soon as I have his answer...

cloning an SDX you say ...hmmmm... I wish you good luck !!!
I dream that someone devellops all its limitations, but let's be realistic ;
it's a very huge beast ! with old components that made This sound ...
& quite a complicated operating system ...
would you clone a Fairlight CMI IIx ?
if so, I'm client !!!

Good luck,
Speak soon ,
Patrice.




Selon randaleem <randaleem@...>:

I recall there is a guy in France who owns the schematics for the SDX?
hihi sorry Patrice
What I recall from memory is that the SDX is not to hard to clone
it has a 68000 processor on board ( kinda atari I guess) some converting
board and a shit load of components for 16 times input and output and a bunch
off electronics for the monitoring.

Perhaps easier said then done??

Rick Allen used all kinds off simmons modules and especially in the studio
would layer sound and sample them ( there were no budgetlimitations for Def
Leppard ( what a name?!) in their time). I have an interview in a dutch drummag,
perhaps if I find some time the next ten years I might kinda translate it
and put it online

Greetz Berk


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le 27/09/07 19:50, Berk Aarts à B.E.R.K@... a écrit :

> I recall there is a guy in France who owns the schematics for the SDX?

I don't see who you mean :-)

> hihi sorry Patrice
> What I recall from memory is that the SDX is not to hard to clone
> it has a 68000 processor on board ( kinda atari I guess)

kind a MAc I supose ... ; -)

some converting

> board and a shit load of components for 16 times input and output and a bunch
> off electronics for the monitoring.

just that ? ;-)))

>
> Perhaps easier said then done??

as you say ...

>
> Rick Allen used all kinds off simmons modules and especially in the studio
> would layer sound and sample them ( there were no budgetlimitations for Def
> Leppard

Well of course, & they also used the Fairlight a lot so ...
But the SDS7 & 9 is quite recognisable (?) ...
& yes He probably used some AKAI samplers on stage after all this mixing
sources ...

( what a name?!) in their time). I have an interview in a dutch

> drummag,
> perhaps if I find some time the next ten years I might kinda translate it
> and put it online

it depends of the number of pages you need to scan ;-)
all the best.
Patrice.

>
>> I recall there is a guy in France who owns the schematics for the SDX?
>
>I don't see who you mean :-)

Was it Germany then (haha)sorry for that

>
>> hihi sorry Patrice
>> What I recall from memory is that the SDX is not to hard to clone
>> it has a 68000 processor on board ( kinda atari I guess)
>
>kind a MAc I supose ... ; -)

Wasn't the atari a forrunner for the Mac, indeed you're right kinda macie

>
>some converting
>> board and a shit load of components for 16 times input and output and

a

>bunch
>> off electronics for the monitoring.
>
>just that ? ;-)))
>> Yep

>> Perhaps easier said then done??
>
>as you say ...

Yep, besides who gives a .....??

>> Rick Allen used all kinds off simmons modules and especially in the studio
>> would layer sound and sample them ( there were no budgetlimitations for
>Def
>> Leppard
>
>Well of course, & they also used the Fairlight a lot so ...
>But the SDS7 & 9 is quite recognisable (?) ...
>& yes He probably used some AKAI samplers on stage after all this mixing
>sources ...
>
>( what a name?!) in their time). I have an interview in a dutch
>> drummag,
>> perhaps if I find some time the next ten years I might kinda translate
>it
>> and put it online
>
>it depends of the number of pages you need to scan ;-)
>all the best.
>Patrice.
>>
>> Greetz Berk
>>
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Yes, it works, but you have to whack the pads extremely to hear something. It is f.e. better to glue 2 piezos into the pad and to wire them in series to get a better output. For people who don't want to change their pads for this purpose a 3:1 transformer might be useful to increase the output voltage.

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