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well you could send the kick in a Tube preamp (UNIVERSAL AUDIO Solo610 for example ) wher eyou can manage the saturation level & then compress it badly behind the preamp...
you could even put a Nevelike EQ section btw both.
  but these are not some low cost section.

maybe less expensive (or nearly) why wouldn't you trigg a 909 kick... you 'll have everything you're looking after.




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De: "dion olivier" <peasantpresents@gmail.com>
À: "Simmons Drums" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Samedi 11 Décembre 2010 12h40:49 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any tips?






Thanks Jesper, seems we share the same love of lower octaves. 

Can anyone think of any way to get more a harder edged EBM/Industrial 
sounding kick with a strong punch with the SDS 400? Unfortunately it seems 
to a fairly soft sounding brain, the kick sound I'm going for is similar to 
the effected 808 on Cocteau Twins records, I imagine this is probably 
impossible but I have hoping someone might have a suggestion for extreme 
eq'ing or a distortion of some sort. 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 AM, jesper < jesper@... >wrote: 

> 
> 
> I'd go for a "techier" kick sound. More electronic sounding with a clear 
> click. Compressing something that's in the same spectrum as something 
> else won't help as much as an entire re-think. My problem (in an all 
> electronic setup) is that I love the lower octaves too much. It's easy 
> to make the mix sound as if someone put a wet rag over the speakers... 
> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper 
> 
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - 
> www.electronic-obsession.se 
> 
> dion olivier skrev 2010-12-08 21:08: 
> 
> > Thanks for the info everyone, very pleased to see this community is 
> active. 
> > 
> > I am the bass player, and since I used a lot of lowpass / octave down / 
> bass 
> > synth oriented effects I have to be very careful not to invade the 
> spectrum 
> > of the kick and floor tom which are tuned on the SDS 400 pretty low. I've 
> > been experimenting with EQ, but it's hard as we like the bass to be very 
> > subby and felt just as much as heard, along with the drums. 
> > 
> > The guitarist also use a lot of effects but mostly in the treblier, more 
> > atmospheric range so we rarely have to worry about him. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the compressor model suggestions, any advice on how to set the 
> > threshold / attack / release etc? I'm thinking it might be best to squash 
> > the hell out of the SDS 400 so that every strike on the triggered 
> acoustic 
> > set will always be registered by the SDS. The biggest problem is that the 
> > lighter touch of my drummer on less intense songs doesn't trigger the 
> unit. 
> > I'm going to experiment with running a dual compressor on each output of 
> my 
> > mixer vs compress just the floor tom and kick. 
> > 
> > The PA we use in our practice space is similar in power to what was 
> > suggested: a 250x2w power amp with a JBL 2x15 PA cabinet and a Mackie 
> > powered sub. The Simmons kit is definitely very loud through this setup 
> but 
> > at small venues we run into problems using their PAs. 
> > 
> > Thanks again. 
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Berk Aarts < B.E.R.K@... <B.E.R.K%4012move.nl> 
> > <mailto:B.E.R.K%4012move.nl <B.E.R.K%254012move.nl>>> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a 
> piccolo 
> > > snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already 
> );-) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- 
> > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com> 
> > 
> 
> > > >From: jesper < jesper@electronic-obsession.se <jesper%40electronic-obsession.se> 
> > <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se<jesper%2540electronic-obsession.se> 
> >> 
> 
> > > >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100 
> > > >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, 
> any 
> > > >tips? 
> > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com> 
> > 
> 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10: 
> > > >> Hi 
> > > >> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument, 
> > > havinh 
> > > >> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example. 
> > > >> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an 
> > > soundengineer) 
> > > >> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at, 
> > the EARS 
> > > >> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) 
> will 
> > > put 
> > > >> levels down (and I mean way down) 
> > > > 
> > > >Oh yes! 
> > > > 
> > > >If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas, 
> it's 
> > > 
> > > >this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/ 
> > > >Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the 
> psychology 
> > > > 
> > > >behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it. 
> > > > 
> > > >Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!! 
> > > > 
> > > >-- 
> > > >electronically yours, jesper 
> > > > 
> > > >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - 
> > > >www.electronic-obsession.se 
> 
> 
> 

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late young 
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