Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

Hi,

I've been using an SDS 400 in my live band for about a year now. We are
comprised of bass, guitar, and drums, with lots of effects processing on the
guitars. Our stage volume is rather loud [ working on that, heh ], and we're
tying to figure out some ways to boost the volume of the SDS 400. We run
triggers on our acoustic drum kit: floor tom, hi tom, low tom, and kick. The
kick and the toms are on the quiet side, it seems the tones themselves are
rather soft. Unfortunately our drummer has not been playing for long and his
touch can be erratic, causing the SDS 400 to not always trigger properly and
I have to keep adjusting the sensitivity live. To compensate we run each
output from the SDS 400 into it's own input on a rack mixer but this still
leaves much to be desired. We are wondering if anyone has any suggestions
for live mixing with these units to get a consistent, loud output and if
anyone has used compressors, specific EQing, limiters/enhancers etc on their
kits live?

Thanks, Dion

-- 
late young
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To me compressing Edrums is a necessity.
But there's probably an overall analysis to make.

from what you're saying I feel coming the following questions ( but I might be wrong).

do you need acoustic drum that are sending another sound in more than the SDS400...
What about arrangements ? do you have some space in your music to make distinct each sound.
What about musicians ? are they playing & filling all the space they can ???
What about the bass player ? the Drummer ? etc etc etc...

Before compressing & using the Simmons, does it sound by itself in acoustic for example ?

I have always been said "Less is more" ;-) 
& the Simmons becomes one more pollution if nothing's done to give it some space...

I've personnally 've been using the TC DBmax multiband compressor with a very good dynamic.
But a lot of othergear can do the (or better) job. DBX 160 maybe ?
or even Tube compressors... it will make the Simmons very warm & dynamic.
SSL preamps & compressors of course should kick quite efficiently :-)

Good luck








----- Mail Original -----
De: "dion olivier" <peasantpresents@...>
À: "Simmons Drums" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Lundi 6 Décembre 2010 23h36:40 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any tips?






Hi, 

I've been using an SDS 400 in my live band for about a year now. We are 
comprised of bass, guitar, and drums, with lots of effects processing on the 
guitars. Our stage volume is rather loud [ working on that, heh ], and we're 
tying to figure out some ways to boost the volume of the SDS 400. We run 
triggers on our acoustic drum kit: floor tom, hi tom, low tom, and kick. The 
kick and the toms are on the quiet side, it seems the tones themselves are 
rather soft. Unfortunately our drummer has not been playing for long and his 
touch can be erratic, causing the SDS 400 to not always trigger properly and 
I have to keep adjusting the sensitivity live. To compensate we run each 
output from the SDS 400 into it's own input on a rack mixer but this still 
leaves much to be desired. We are wondering if anyone has any suggestions 
for live mixing with these units to get a consistent, loud output and if 
anyone has used compressors, specific EQing, limiters/enhancers etc on their 
kits live? 

Thanks, Dion 

-- 
late young 
+++ 

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Surely the overall volume (after you have sorted out the playing and dynamics) is totally dependant on what amps/speakers you are using, and how powerful they are.  To compete with acoustic drums and loud guitar amps you need serious power with simmons drums as they are more full range as compared to the mostly mids guitars.  

something along the lines of a 4-500 watt amp into 2 X 15' + horn speaker, self powered equivalent. 





Adam Calaitzis
www.toyland.com.au
adamcal@...

On 07/12/2010, at 9:36 AM, dion olivier wrote:

> and we're
> tying to figure out some ways to boost the volume of the SDS 400

Hi
I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument, havinh
trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an soundengineer)
is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at, the EARS
off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) will put
levels down (and I mean way down)

If you want more off this, I need more info. Compressing will help, but what
kind off sounds are you using. Doubling for "real" drums, or trigerring by
pads??

Berk

>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: dion olivier <peasantpresents@...>
>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:36:40 -0800
>Subject: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any tips?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I've been using an SDS 400 in my live band for about a year now. We are
>comprised of bass, guitar, and drums, with lots of effects processing on
>the
>guitars. Our stage volume is rather loud [ working on that, heh ], and we're
>tying to figure out some ways to boost the volume of the SDS 400. We run
>triggers on our acoustic drum kit: floor tom, hi tom, low tom, and kick.
>The
>kick and the toms are on the quiet side, it seems the tones themselves are
>rather soft. Unfortunately our drummer has not been playing for long and
>his
>touch can be erratic, causing the SDS 400 to not always trigger properly
>and
>I have to keep adjusting the sensitivity live. To compensate we run each
>output from the SDS 400 into it's own input on a rack mixer but this still
>leaves much to be desired. We are wondering if anyone has any suggestions
>for live mixing with these units to get a consistent, loud output and if
>anyone has used compressors, specific EQing, limiters/enhancers etc on their
>kits live?
>
>Thanks, Dion
>
>-- 
>late young
>+++
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10:
> Hi
> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument, havinh
> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an soundengineer)
> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at, the EARS
> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) will put
> levels down (and I mean way down)

Oh yes!

If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas, it's 
this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/
Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the psychology 
behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it.

Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!!

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se

Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a piccolo
snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already );-)



>-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>From: jesper <jesper@...>
>Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100
>Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any
>tips?
>Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10:
>> Hi
>> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument, havinh
>> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
>> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an soundengineer)
>> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at, the EARS
>> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) will
put

>> levels down (and I mean way down)
>
>Oh yes!
>
>If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas, it's

>this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/
>Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the psychology
>
>behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it.
>
>Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!!
>
>-- 
>electronically yours, jesper
>
>- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thanks for the info everyone, very pleased to see this community is active.

I am the bass player, and since I used a lot of lowpass / octave down / bass
synth oriented effects I have to be very careful not to invade the spectrum
of the kick and floor tom which are tuned on the SDS 400 pretty low. I've
been experimenting with EQ, but it's hard as we like the bass to be very
subby and felt just as much as heard, along with the drums.

The guitarist also use a lot of effects but mostly in the treblier, more
atmospheric range so we rarely have to worry about him.

Thanks for the compressor model suggestions, any advice on how to set the
threshold / attack / release etc? I'm thinking it might be best to squash
the hell out of the SDS 400 so that every strike on the triggered acoustic
set will always be registered by the SDS. The biggest problem is that the
lighter touch of my drummer on less intense songs doesn't trigger the unit.
I'm going to experiment with running a dual compressor on each output of my
mixer vs compress just the floor tom and kick.

The PA we use in our practice space is similar in power to what was
suggested: a 250x2w power amp with a JBL 2x15 PA cabinet and a Mackie
powered sub. The Simmons kit is definitely very loud through this setup but
at small venues we run into problems using their PAs.

Thanks again.



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...> wrote:

> Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a piccolo
> snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already );-)
>
>
>
> >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >From: jesper <jesper@...>
> >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100
> >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any
> >tips?
> >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10:
> >> Hi
> >> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument,
> havinh
> >> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
> >> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an
> soundengineer)
> >> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at, the EARS
> >> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) will
> put
> >> levels down (and I mean way down)
> >
> >Oh yes!
> >
> >If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas, it's
>
> >this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/
> >Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the psychology
> >
> >behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it.
> >
> >Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!!
> >
> >--
> >electronically yours, jesper
> >
> >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> >www.electronic-obsession.se
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


-- 
late young
+++


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd go for a "techier" kick sound. More electronic sounding with a clear 
click. Compressing something that's in the same spectrum as something 
else won't help as much as an entire re-think. My problem (in an all 
electronic setup) is that I love the lower octaves too much. It's easy 
to make the mix sound as if someone put a wet rag over the speakers...

-- 
electronically yours, jesper

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
www.electronic-obsession.se



dion olivier skrev 2010-12-08 21:08:

> Thanks for the info everyone, very pleased to see this community is active.
>
> I am the bass player, and since I used a lot of lowpass / octave down / bass
> synth oriented effects I have to be very careful not to invade the spectrum
> of the kick and floor tom which are tuned on the SDS 400 pretty low. I've
> been experimenting with EQ, but it's hard as we like the bass to be very
> subby and felt just as much as heard, along with the drums.
>
> The guitarist also use a lot of effects but mostly in the treblier, more
> atmospheric range so we rarely have to worry about him.
>
> Thanks for the compressor model suggestions, any advice on how to set the
> threshold / attack / release etc? I'm thinking it might be best to squash
> the hell out of the SDS 400 so that every strike on the triggered acoustic
> set will always be registered by the SDS. The biggest problem is that the
> lighter touch of my drummer on less intense songs doesn't trigger the unit.
> I'm going to experiment with running a dual compressor on each output of my
> mixer vs compress just the floor tom and kick.
>
> The PA we use in our practice space is similar in power to what was
> suggested: a 250x2w power amp with a JBL 2x15 PA cabinet and a Mackie
> powered sub. The Simmons kit is definitely very loud through this setup but
> at small venues we run into problems using their PAs.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...
> <mailto:B.E.R.K%4012move.nl>> wrote:
>
>  > Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a piccolo
>  > snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already );-)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
>  > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > >From: jesper <jesper@...
> <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>>
>  > >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100
>  > >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any
>  > >tips?
>  > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10:
>  > >> Hi
>  > >> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument,
>  > havinh
>  > >> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
>  > >> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an
>  > soundengineer)
>  > >> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at,
> the EARS
>  > >> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) will
>  > put
>  > >> levels down (and I mean way down)
>  > >
>  > >Oh yes!
>  > >
>  > >If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas, it's
>  >
>  > >this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/
>  > >Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the psychology
>  > >
>  > >behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it.
>  > >
>  > >Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!!
>  > >
>  > >--
>  > >electronically yours, jesper
>  > >
>  > >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
>  > >www.electronic-obsession.se

Thanks Jesper, seems we share the same love of lower octaves.

Can anyone think of any way to get more a harder edged EBM/Industrial
sounding kick with a strong punch with the SDS 400? Unfortunately it seems
to a fairly soft sounding brain, the kick sound I'm going for is similar to
the effected 808 on Cocteau Twins records, I imagine this is probably
impossible but I have hoping someone might have a suggestion for extreme
eq'ing or a distortion of some sort.



On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 AM, jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se>wrote:

>
>
> I'd go for a "techier" kick sound. More electronic sounding with a clear
> click. Compressing something that's in the same spectrum as something
> else won't help as much as an entire re-think. My problem (in an all
> electronic setup) is that I love the lower octaves too much. It's easy
> to make the mix sound as if someone put a wet rag over the speakers...
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>
> dion olivier skrev 2010-12-08 21:08:
>
> > Thanks for the info everyone, very pleased to see this community is
> active.
> >
> > I am the bass player, and since I used a lot of lowpass / octave down /
> bass
> > synth oriented effects I have to be very careful not to invade the
> spectrum
> > of the kick and floor tom which are tuned on the SDS 400 pretty low. I've
> > been experimenting with EQ, but it's hard as we like the bass to be very
> > subby and felt just as much as heard, along with the drums.
> >
> > The guitarist also use a lot of effects but mostly in the treblier, more
> > atmospheric range so we rarely have to worry about him.
> >
> > Thanks for the compressor model suggestions, any advice on how to set the
> > threshold / attack / release etc? I'm thinking it might be best to squash
> > the hell out of the SDS 400 so that every strike on the triggered
> acoustic
> > set will always be registered by the SDS. The biggest problem is that the
> > lighter touch of my drummer on less intense songs doesn't trigger the
> unit.
> > I'm going to experiment with running a dual compressor on each output of
> my
> > mixer vs compress just the floor tom and kick.
> >
> > The PA we use in our practice space is similar in power to what was
> > suggested: a 250x2w power amp with a JBL 2x15 PA cabinet and a Mackie
> > powered sub. The Simmons kit is definitely very loud through this setup
> but
> > at small venues we run into problems using their PAs.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Berk Aarts <B.E.R.K@...<B.E.R.K%4012move.nl>
> > <mailto:B.E.R.K%4012move.nl <B.E.R.K%254012move.nl>>> wrote:
> >
> > > Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a
> piccolo
> > > snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already
> );-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht --
> > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
>
> > > >From: jesper <jesper@...<jesper%40electronic-obsession.se>
> > <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se<jesper%2540electronic-obsession.se>
> >>
>
> > > >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100
> > > >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band,
> any
> > > >tips?
> > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com>
> >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10:
> > > >> Hi
> > > >> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument,
> > > havinh
> > > >> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example.
> > > >> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an
> > > soundengineer)
> > > >> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at,
> > the EARS
> > > >> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men)
> will
> > > put
> > > >> levels down (and I mean way down)
> > > >
> > > >Oh yes!
> > > >
> > > >If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas,
> it's
> > >
> > > >this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/
> > > >Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the
> psychology
> > > >
> > > >behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it.
> > > >
> > > >Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!!
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >electronically yours, jesper
> > > >
> > > >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> > > >www.electronic-obsession.se
>
>  
>



-- 
late young
+++


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well you could send the kick in a Tube preamp (UNIVERSAL AUDIO Solo610 for example ) wher eyou can manage the saturation level & then compress it badly behind the preamp...
you could even put a Nevelike EQ section btw both.
  but these are not some low cost section.

maybe less expensive (or nearly) why wouldn't you trigg a 909 kick... you 'll have everything you're looking after.




----- Mail Original -----
De: "dion olivier" <peasantpresents@gmail.com>
À: "Simmons Drums" <Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé: Samedi 11 Décembre 2010 12h40:49 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any tips?






Thanks Jesper, seems we share the same love of lower octaves. 

Can anyone think of any way to get more a harder edged EBM/Industrial 
sounding kick with a strong punch with the SDS 400? Unfortunately it seems 
to a fairly soft sounding brain, the kick sound I'm going for is similar to 
the effected 808 on Cocteau Twins records, I imagine this is probably 
impossible but I have hoping someone might have a suggestion for extreme 
eq'ing or a distortion of some sort. 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 AM, jesper < jesper@... >wrote: 

> 
> 
> I'd go for a "techier" kick sound. More electronic sounding with a clear 
> click. Compressing something that's in the same spectrum as something 
> else won't help as much as an entire re-think. My problem (in an all 
> electronic setup) is that I love the lower octaves too much. It's easy 
> to make the mix sound as if someone put a wet rag over the speakers... 
> 
> -- 
> electronically yours, jesper 
> 
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - 
> www.electronic-obsession.se 
> 
> dion olivier skrev 2010-12-08 21:08: 
> 
> > Thanks for the info everyone, very pleased to see this community is 
> active. 
> > 
> > I am the bass player, and since I used a lot of lowpass / octave down / 
> bass 
> > synth oriented effects I have to be very careful not to invade the 
> spectrum 
> > of the kick and floor tom which are tuned on the SDS 400 pretty low. I've 
> > been experimenting with EQ, but it's hard as we like the bass to be very 
> > subby and felt just as much as heard, along with the drums. 
> > 
> > The guitarist also use a lot of effects but mostly in the treblier, more 
> > atmospheric range so we rarely have to worry about him. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the compressor model suggestions, any advice on how to set the 
> > threshold / attack / release etc? I'm thinking it might be best to squash 
> > the hell out of the SDS 400 so that every strike on the triggered 
> acoustic 
> > set will always be registered by the SDS. The biggest problem is that the 
> > lighter touch of my drummer on less intense songs doesn't trigger the 
> unit. 
> > I'm going to experiment with running a dual compressor on each output of 
> my 
> > mixer vs compress just the floor tom and kick. 
> > 
> > The PA we use in our practice space is similar in power to what was 
> > suggested: a 250x2w power amp with a JBL 2x15 PA cabinet and a Mackie 
> > powered sub. The Simmons kit is definitely very loud through this setup 
> but 
> > at small venues we run into problems using their PAs. 
> > 
> > Thanks again. 
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Berk Aarts < B.E.R.K@... <B.E.R.K%4012move.nl> 
> > <mailto:B.E.R.K%4012move.nl <B.E.R.K%254012move.nl>>> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Got me a 28 inch bassdrum , keeps the bass player quiet, got me a 
> piccolo 
> > > snare for the guitarplayer and earplugs for myself (20 years already 
> );-) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >-- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- 
> > > >To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com> 
> > 
> 
> > > >From: jesper < jesper@electronic-obsession.se <jesper%40electronic-obsession.se> 
> > <mailto:jesper%40electronic-obsession.se<jesper%2540electronic-obsession.se> 
> >> 
> 
> > > >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:13:39 +0100 
> > > >Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, 
> any 
> > > >tips? 
> > > >Reply-To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com <Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Simmons_Drums%40yahoogroups.com<Simmons_Drums%2540yahoogroups.com> 
> > 
> 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Berk Aarts skrev 2010-12-07 09:10: 
> > > >> Hi 
> > > >> I've allways been a drummer, while playing the loudest instrument, 
> > > havinh 
> > > >> trouble hearing my own snaredrum for example. 
> > > >> One thing that really helps (and I learned this from working as an 
> > > soundengineer) 
> > > >> is pointing the guitarspeaker to where it should be pointed at, 
> > the EARS 
> > > >> off the guitarplayer. Normally he (they are allmost certain men) 
> will 
> > > put 
> > > >> levels down (and I mean way down) 
> > > > 
> > > >Oh yes! 
> > > > 
> > > >If there's one book you should put on your wishlist for christmas, 
> it's 
> > > 
> > > >this one: http://mixingwithyourmind.com/ 
> > > >Plenty of useful hints and not just "tricks" but also all the 
> psychology 
> > > > 
> > > >behind how we experience and hear sound. I loved it. 
> > > > 
> > > >Or, alternative B: kick the guitarist!!! 
> > > > 
> > > >-- 
> > > >electronically yours, jesper 
> > > > 
> > > >- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - 
> > > >www.electronic-obsession.se 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
late young 
+++ 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jacquot.Patrice@... skrev 2010-12-11 13:40:
> maybe less expensive (or nearly) why wouldn't you trigg a 909 kick...
> you 'll have everything you're looking after.

Your random analogue synth with fast envelopes, good filter etc can be 
triggered too. But all these are workarounds if you want it to be a 
SDS-400. A cheap compressor and maybe your average dist box can help out 
if we're talking industrial anyway. :D

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electronically yours, jesper

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I can't imagine coming up with the funds for a 909 anytime soon, might just
have to go the cheap comp and distortion route, if it worked for Big Black,
possibly it will produce something useable for me.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:12 AM, jesper <jesper@...>wrote:

>
>
> Jacquot.Patrice@... <Jacquot.Patrice%40free.fr> skrev 2010-12-11
> 13:40:
>
> > maybe less expensive (or nearly) why wouldn't you trigg a 909 kick...
> > you 'll have everything you're looking after.
>
> Your random analogue synth with fast envelopes, good filter etc can be
> triggered too. But all these are workarounds if you want it to be a
> SDS-400. A cheap compressor and maybe your average dist box can help out
> if we're talking industrial anyway. :D
>
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
>  
>



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Big Black used a TR-606 if I'm not mistaken.

--- On Mon, 13/12/10, dion olivier <peasantpresents@...> wrote:

From: dion olivier <peasantpresents@...>
Subject: Re: Betr: [Simmons Drums] SDS 400 used live in a loud band, any tips?
To: Simmons_Drums@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 13 December, 2010, 22:59


  



I can't imagine coming up with the funds for a 909 anytime soon, might just
have to go the cheap comp and distortion route, if it worked for Big Black,
possibly it will produce something useable for me.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:12 AM, jesper <jesper@electronic-obsession.se>wrote:

>
>
> Jacquot.Patrice@... <Jacquot.Patrice%40free.fr> skrev 2010-12-11
> 13:40:
>
> > maybe less expensive (or nearly) why wouldn't you trigg a 909 kick...
> > you 'll have everything you're looking after.
>
> Your random analogue synth with fast envelopes, good filter etc can be
> triggered too. But all these are workarounds if you want it to be a
> SDS-400. A cheap compressor and maybe your average dist box can help out
> if we're talking industrial anyway. :D
>
>
> --
> electronically yours, jesper
>
> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -
> www.electronic-obsession.se
> 
>

-- 
late young
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