Vintage Simmons Drums (UK) Users Group

mmmhh

I used professionally each pads you're mentionning ...

I think it all depends how you're drumming ...
if you're playing with wrists, fingers , with a personnal technique or  
the most advanced one.

But the fact is that when you're hitting a drumhead, you're putting it  
in vibration...
When you're hitting a hard surface as the old pads, the vibration is  
coming back to your wrists...& actually your tendons...
So, following your health state, your tendons are (more or less)  
managing it or... are damaged...

Playing the hardware for some effects or playing about between 2 or 5  
hours some pads isn't the same at all ...
even cymbals are absorbing the vibration...

When you know that extremely good drummers (like Phil Gould "L42's  
drummer),
  with a very good stick, grip & motion  technique did really suffered  
of SDS7 pads, & still feel the injury today...

Personnaly I feel very uncomfortable with pads exept ddrums & mesheads  
ones that are not exceptionnal but OK & secure for tendons...
even techstar were a very hard touch despiting the drumhead, I  
personnaly hated them...better than Simmons, but infact less worse...
I used them as snare for 5hours gigs...it was terrible...after 60 gigs  
I had to stop drumming for a while & getting treated for the startng  
injuries...
SDSV 's pads weren't usable at all on stage because of the noise &for  
that reason ...
I did used them at some points in loud sound contexts & in a very  
limited use in the show ...& that was nearly OK...

the fact is that in the 80's some drummers had to play only on Simmons  
pads in some gigs ...
even when you love that sound, there are some humans limits ...

I know only Bill bruford who didn't complain about them ...but he had  
a very personnal way to hit the drums...


My personal conclusion was that the ddrum pads set with mesheads are  
the best dynamic range I tryed yet...
even on SImmons modules ...
I fucking love the magic shape of Simmons but bloody hate this  
terrible touch which probably helped Simmons to decline & not being  
accepted by a lot of drummers then...
But that's only my perception & my experience...

hope that contributes to the debate,  ;- )

peace !

Patrice.





Le 29 mars 08 à 21:51, rolandbrenner@... a écrit :

> I'ts always been a wonder to me that other drummers complained about  
> the SDSV pads being uncomfortable considering they are hitting  
> things equally as hard ( cymbals, cowbells, rims, woodblocks, Ice  
> bells, etc. etc. etc. ). Buddy Rich used to play his hardware as  
> part of his solos ! I guess I understand if it's in the case of a  
> snare, but that's about it. Then the opposite was invented by Roland  
> ( i.e. Tennis rackets ). I personally think the feel of the tennis  
> racket pads are worse, but their module sounds have always been  
> awesome. MHO
> - Roland
> PS - The Tama Techstars or Spacemuffin pads are probably the best if  
> you need the exact feel of an acoustic since that's pretty much what  
> they are !! ( again, MHO ).
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