SergeModular

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...> wrote:

Greetings,
I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully at some point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the moment are questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though slowly/surely working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using the TKB and have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a triangle wave as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB sequencer to run straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random. What should I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16 steps?
Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?

Thanks!
Jason

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Welcome to the list and congratulations on Serge ownership.
>
> The TKB likes to see square waves at it's clock inputs, such as the red
> output of a VC Clock, TGO, TGC, DTG or DSG, among many others, in cycle mode
> (either via switch or a shorty cable bridging the Trig In and Gate Out).
> The Serge Gold Book is one of the best resources for learning about these
> things including TKB operation. Scroll down on this page and download the
> .zip of the book.
>
> http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
>
> Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
> Matt
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully at some
> > point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the moment are
> > questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
> > Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though slowly/surely
> > working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using the TKB and
> > have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a triangle wave
> > as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB sequencer to run
> > straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random. What should
> > I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16 steps?
> > Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...> wrote:

Thanks Matt,
I've got a PDF of the Gold book already and I was able to find some general info on the TKB in there but nothing super specific. I've been meaning to go through some of those learning patches but they don't totally apply to my system.
What about limiting the duration of the sequence to under 16 and expanding the sequence up to 64?

Very Best,
Jason

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Welcome to the list and congratulations on Serge ownership.
>
> The TKB likes to see square waves at it's clock inputs, such as the red
> output of a VC Clock, TGO, TGC, DTG or DSG, among many others, in cycle mode
> (either via switch or a shorty cable bridging the Trig In and Gate Out).
> The Serge Gold Book is one of the best resources for learning about these
> things including TKB operation. Scroll down on this page and download the
> .zip of the book.
>
> http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
>
> Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
> Matt
>

> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...>wrote:

>
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully at some
> > point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the moment are
> > questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
> > Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though slowly/surely
> > working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using the TKB and
> > have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a triangle wave
> > as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB sequencer to run
> > straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random. What should
> > I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16 steps?
> > Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
>
> To limit the number of steps, patch the clock (a square wave or pulse) to
> the CLOCK input, patch the stage gate output (the row of red jacks above row
> A) for one more than the desired length of the sequence to the RESET input.
> To expand the length to 64 steps, patch the clock to the CLOCK input and
> step 16 gate output to the VERT CLOCK input and take the output from ABCD.
> Have fun!
> Matt
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks Matt,
> > I've got a PDF of the Gold book already and I was able to find some general
> > info on the TKB in there but nothing super specific. I've been meaning to go
> > through some of those learning patches but they don't totally apply to my
> > system.
> > What about limiting the duration of the sequence to under 16 and expanding
> > the sequence up to 64?
> >
> > Very Best,
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on Serge ownership.
> > >
> > > The TKB likes to see square waves at it's clock inputs, such as the red
> > > output of a VC Clock, TGO, TGC, DTG or DSG, among many others, in cycle
> > mode
> > > (either via switch or a shorty cable bridging the Trig In and Gate Out).
> > > The Serge Gold Book is one of the best resources for learning about these
> > > things including TKB operation. Scroll down on this page and download the
> > > .zip of the book.
> > >
> > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
> > >
> > > Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@
> > ...>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully at
> > some
> > > > point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the moment
> > are
> > > > questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
> > > > Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though slowly/surely
> > > > working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using the
> > TKB and
> > > > have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a triangle
> > wave
> > > > as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB sequencer to
> > run
> > > > straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random. What
> > should
> > > > I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16
> > steps?
> > > > Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:57 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...> wrote:

Last question for at least 48 hours I swear....
I'm away from my Serge for the rest of the night so I have to wait until the morning to work on the 64 step sequence.
I'm assuming you're talking about the combined ABCD. Where should I patch this & are the separate A,B,C,D still functional here? I'm guessing that the 64 step patch runs through A then B then C then D.

Thanks!

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
>

> To limit the number of steps, patch the clock (a square wave or pulse) to
> the CLOCK input, patch the stage gate output (the row of red jacks above row
> A) for one more than the desired length of the sequence to the RESET input.
> To expand the length to 64 steps, patch the clock to the CLOCK input and
> step 16 gate output to the VERT CLOCK input and take the output from ABCD.
> Have fun!
> Matt

> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...>wrote:

>
> >
> >
> > Thanks Matt,
> > I've got a PDF of the Gold book already and I was able to find some general
> > info on the TKB in there but nothing super specific. I've been meaning to go
> > through some of those learning patches but they don't totally apply to my
> > system.
> > What about limiting the duration of the sequence to under 16 and expanding
> > the sequence up to 64?
> >
> > Very Best,
> > Jason
> >
> >

> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on Serge ownership.
> > >
> > > The TKB likes to see square waves at it's clock inputs, such as the red
> > > output of a VC Clock, TGO, TGC, DTG or DSG, among many others, in cycle
> > mode
> > > (either via switch or a shorty cable bridging the Trig In and Gate Out).
> > > The Serge Gold Book is one of the best resources for learning about these
> > > things including TKB operation. Scroll down on this page and download the
> > > .zip of the book.
> > >
> > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
> > >
> > > Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@
> > ...>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully at
> > some
> > > > point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the moment
> > are
> > > > questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
> > > > Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though slowly/surely
> > > > working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using the
> > TKB and
> > > > have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a triangle
> > wave
> > > > as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB sequencer to
> > run
> > > > straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random. What
> > should
> > > > I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16
> > steps?
> > > > Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the combined ABCD. You patch it wherever you want your 64 step
> sequenced voltage to go.Yep, it runs through A, B, C, then D.
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:57 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Last question for at least 48 hours I swear....
> > I'm away from my Serge for the rest of the night so I have to wait until
> > the morning to work on the 64 step sequence.
> > I'm assuming you're talking about the combined ABCD. Where should I patch
> > this & are the separate A,B,C,D still functional here? I'm guessing that the
> > 64 step patch runs through A then B then C then D.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To limit the number of steps, patch the clock (a square wave or pulse) to
> > > the CLOCK input, patch the stage gate output (the row of red jacks above
> > row
> > > A) for one more than the desired length of the sequence to the RESET
> > input.
> > > To expand the length to 64 steps, patch the clock to the CLOCK input and
> > > step 16 gate output to the VERT CLOCK input and take the output from
> > ABCD.
> > > Have fun!
> > > Matt
> > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Matt,
> > > > I've got a PDF of the Gold book already and I was able to find some
> > general
> > > > info on the TKB in there but nothing super specific. I've been meaning
> > to go
> > > > through some of those learning patches but they don't totally apply to
> > my
> > > > system.
> > > > What about limiting the duration of the sequence to under 16 and
> > expanding
> > > > the sequence up to 64?
> > > >
> > > > Very Best,
> > > > Jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com><SergeModular%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > > matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on Serge ownership.
> > > > >
> > > > > The TKB likes to see square waves at it's clock inputs, such as the
> > red
> > > > > output of a VC Clock, TGO, TGC, DTG or DSG, among many others, in
> > cycle
> > > > mode
> > > > > (either via switch or a shorty cable bridging the Trig In and Gate
> > Out).
> > > > > The Serge Gold Book is one of the best resources for learning about
> > these
> > > > > things including TKB operation. Scroll down on this page and download
> > the
> > > > > .zip of the book.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@
> > > > ...>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully
> > at
> > > > some
> > > > > > point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the
> > moment
> > > > are
> > > > > > questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
> > > > > > Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though
> > slowly/surely
> > > > > > working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using
> > the
> > > > TKB and
> > > > > > have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a
> > triangle
> > > > wave
> > > > > > as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB
> > sequencer to
> > > > run
> > > > > > straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random.
> > What
> > > > should
> > > > > > I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16
> > > > steps?
> > > > > > Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > Jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "dr.jasoncrest" <dr.jasoncrest@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks again for all the help a couple of months back. Another quick TKB question...
> Is it possible to expand the TKB to 32 and 32 rather than all the way to 64?
>
> Thanks!
> Jason
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the combined ABCD. You patch it wherever you want your 64 step
> > sequenced voltage to go.Yep, it runs through A, B, C, then D.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:57 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last question for at least 48 hours I swear....
> > > I'm away from my Serge for the rest of the night so I have to wait until
> > > the morning to work on the 64 step sequence.
> > > I'm assuming you're talking about the combined ABCD. Where should I patch
> > > this & are the separate A,B,C,D still functional here? I'm guessing that the
> > > 64 step patch runs through A then B then C then D.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To limit the number of steps, patch the clock (a square wave or pulse) to
> > > > the CLOCK input, patch the stage gate output (the row of red jacks above
> > > row
> > > > A) for one more than the desired length of the sequence to the RESET
> > > input.
> > > > To expand the length to 64 steps, patch the clock to the CLOCK input and
> > > > step 16 gate output to the VERT CLOCK input and take the output from
> > > ABCD.
> > > > Have fun!
> > > > Matt
> > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Matt,
> > > > > I've got a PDF of the Gold book already and I was able to find some
> > > general
> > > > > info on the TKB in there but nothing super specific. I've been meaning
> > > to go
> > > > > through some of those learning patches but they don't totally apply to
> > > my
> > > > > system.
> > > > > What about limiting the duration of the sequence to under 16 and
> > > expanding
> > > > > the sequence up to 64?
> > > > >
> > > > > Very Best,
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com <SergeModular%40yahoogroups.com><SergeModular%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > >
> > > > > matthew carpenter <matfhew.carpenfer@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on Serge ownership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The TKB likes to see square waves at it's clock inputs, such as the
> > > red
> > > > > > output of a VC Clock, TGO, TGC, DTG or DSG, among many others, in
> > > cycle
> > > > > mode
> > > > > > (either via switch or a shorty cable bridging the Trig In and Gate
> > > Out).
> > > > > > The Serge Gold Book is one of the best resources for learning about
> > > these
> > > > > > things including TKB operation. Scroll down on this page and download
> > > the
> > > > > > .zip of the book.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Always feel free to ask any questions you might have.
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, dr.jasoncrest <dr.jasoncrest@
> > > > > ...>wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > I appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides and hopefully
> > > at
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > point I can contribute with answers. However, all I have at the
> > > moment
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > questions and I'm grateful in advance for your help.
> > > > > > > Currently I'm a bit overwhelmed by my new Serge though
> > > slowly/surely
> > > > > > > working my way through (and around) it. I recently started using
> > > the
> > > > > TKB and
> > > > > > > have had some issues clocking it properly. I've been using a
> > > triangle
> > > > > wave
> > > > > > > as well as a DTG & SSG. I haven't been able to get the TKB
> > > sequencer to
> > > > > run
> > > > > > > straight through from 1 to 16. Currently it's firing at random.
> > > What
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > I use to clock it so that it will run sequentially through the 16
> > > > > steps?
> > > > > > > Is there anything resembling a manual for the TKB?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > Jason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

>
>
> Howdy,
> Just a little bump on this question.
> Is it possible to get the TKB to run through AB then CD instead or
> ABCD and A,B,C,D?
>
> Thanks!
> JC
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:
>
> What's the difference?
>
> dr.jasoncrest wrote:
> >
> >
> > Howdy,
> > Just a little bump on this question.
> > Is it possible to get the TKB to run through AB then CD instead or
> > ABCD and A,B,C,D?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > JC
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, jwbarlow@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2010 2:05:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> kkonkkrete@... writes:
>
>
> What John said is basically the easiest way.
>
> Another, less elegant, approach is to use the vertical clock and the ABCD
> out. Because the vertical clock can only step in one direction, you'd have
> to use a very rapid burst of triggers to set you to the row you want. This
> would make a glitching sound, but if you have slow envelopes, it may be
> inaudible.
>
> I may have misunderstood the original question, but I actually don't think
> this idea will do what JC is trying to do: two simultaneous, independent 32
> note long sequences. (see original post below)
>
> It may be good to review what those parts of the TKB are.
>
> 1) the sequencer/programmer part of the TKB is a four bank, sixteen stage
> sequencer; it (obviously) has four individual CV outs. It has a pulse out
> for each of the sixteen stages and has lots of features beyond the clock
> forward input such as: reset, random, hold, up/down (ie, reverse), and a key
> select/deselsect switch.
>
> 2) The vertical clock input merely clocks a very simple four stage
> sequencer, and the resulting ABCD CV output is taken from across the A B C D
> outputs. In this sense it is a slave sequencer to the more powerful "horizontal"
> sequencer. This sequencer outputs a CV based on which of the four stages
> (ABCD) is being addressed by the vertical clock, AND which of the sixteen
> stages the "horizontal" sequencer programmer is being addressed at that
> moment.
>
> It wouldn't be that hard to get the sequencer to for example address A
> stages one through sixteen, and then skip over B. This could be done by pulsing
> the vertical clock twice: use the stage sixteen pulse out to trigger a
> DTG/DSG or similar, and then sum the second pulse out with the original pulse
> from stage sixteen and drive the vertical clock which should advance from
> the A stage to the C stage. Unfortunately, when it gets back to stage
> sixteen, it will again advance back to stage A. So it will just bounce between A
> and C.
>
> Though if you do this, now you only need one electronic switch to get your
> other 32 note sequence! If you have an ARP 2600 (and a spare half of a
> DTG/DSG or similar) you should be able to do what you are trying to do.
>
> At least you've got me thinking!
>
> JB
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2010 9:12:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> dr.jasoncrest@... writes:
>
> Just revisiting this thread now after a few months.
> My question is this. We can run the TKB as a one 64 stage sequencer and
> four 16 stage sequencers. Is it possible to run it as two 32 stage
> sequencers? What I mean is that it'd run through A/B for 16 steps and then run
> through C/D for 16 steps.
>
> Best,
> JC
>
> --- In _SergeModular@SergeModularSer_ (mailto:SergeModular@yahoogroups.com)
> , John P <johnp299792@joh> wrote:
> >
> > What's the difference?
> >
> > dr.jasoncrest wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Howdy,
> > > Just a little bump on this question.
> > > Is it possible to get the TKB to run through AB then CD instead or
> > > ABCD and A,B,C,D?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > JC
> > >
> >
>