SergeModular

On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:36 AM, roelelec wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Last evening I had a big breakthrough with the SSG.
> I thought I had read and studied all the tips and tricks on Egres,
> but I had forgotten about SSG Hijinx part 1-3 from John P., probably
> cause it's almost tucked away under the group module listing. I didn't
> read it before, before I actually had the Serge that is, cause I
> wouldn't understand it anyway, so I thought back then. I had forgotten
> about this section. The clear writing of John P's way to patch-program
> the SSG, did the trick for me. Thanks John!
>
> I succesfully patched from the smooth section a staircase generator,
> a triangle lfo, a square lfo and a non-linear filter.
> I also tried to patch the linear glide, but that didn't work out,
> cause I didn't manage to get a proper trigger for this purpose.
>
> I tried to patch a EG from a TGO and DTG before, but no luck. It must
> be quite simple, but I don't seem to get it right. So my question is
> how to patch a ASR and AR out of TGO and DTG?
> I used the gate and also the signal in, but still couldn't get it.
>
> Something else, related to this. I'm low on cv source. I don't have a
> TKB, don't have a sequencer, so momentarily rely on any EG I patch
> from a DTG and/ or TGO. My question is: Do I need the extended ADSR's
> or are the enveloppes I can patch from a DSG (this M-panel will be
> next on order) sufficient enough? I mean to make automatic melodies
> and such rhythms without a sequencer? Last evening I also combined the
> smooth and stepped section with the cupl and I was amazed about the
> jumping melody I got!
>
> Thanks for help in advance.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roel
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Kim Hansen <antenne@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Roel -
> nice to have another european on the list !
>
> re your ?s bout the DTG as an envelope generator -
> It works very well as an AR
> stick a trigger into the "trig in"
> the "gate" is an output - it outputs a gate level when the AR event is
> finished
> If you want an ASR connect a gate ( or any other positive voltage that
> you want the DTG to track ) to the "signal in"
>
> You should go to James "carbon111" Maier's webpage and download the
> copy of "The Gold Book"
> that he hosts - the section on how to get envelopes from a DSG applies
> to the DTG
>
> http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
>
> all the best, - Kim in Copenhagen
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:36 AM, roelelec wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Last evening I had a big breakthrough with the SSG.
> > I thought I had read and studied all the tips and tricks on Egres,
> > but I had forgotten about SSG Hijinx part 1-3 from John P., probably
> > cause it's almost tucked away under the group module listing. I didn't
> > read it before, before I actually had the Serge that is, cause I
> > wouldn't understand it anyway, so I thought back then. I had forgotten
> > about this section. The clear writing of John P's way to patch-program
> > the SSG, did the trick for me. Thanks John!
> >
> > I succesfully patched from the smooth section a staircase generator,
> > a triangle lfo, a square lfo and a non-linear filter.
> > I also tried to patch the linear glide, but that didn't work out,
> > cause I didn't manage to get a proper trigger for this purpose.
> >
> > I tried to patch a EG from a TGO and DTG before, but no luck. It must
> > be quite simple, but I don't seem to get it right. So my question is
> > how to patch a ASR and AR out of TGO and DTG?
> > I used the gate and also the signal in, but still couldn't get it.
> >
> > Something else, related to this. I'm low on cv source. I don't have a
> > TKB, don't have a sequencer, so momentarily rely on any EG I patch
> > from a DTG and/ or TGO. My question is: Do I need the extended ADSR's
> > or are the enveloppes I can patch from a DSG (this M-panel will be
> > next on order) sufficient enough? I mean to make automatic melodies
> > and such rhythms without a sequencer? Last evening I also combined the
> > smooth and stepped section with the cupl and I was amazed about the
> > jumping melody I got!
> >
> > Thanks for help in advance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Roel
> >
> >
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:
>
> You don't need a trigger to use the Smooth section of SSG for glide.
> Just patch any old thing In, and use the Smooth Out to drive something
> else, like an oscillator.
>
> Yes, you can use the SSG Stepped for sample-and-hold fun, if that 's
> what you're looking to do. Trigger it with the Smooth square LFO
> (autoerotic sample & hold). Patch a repeating lfo from a DTG or other
> module into Stepped In, and use Stepped Out to drive an oscillator. Make
> sure its Rate is fully clockwise, at least to start with.
>
> Happy Patching!
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@...> wrote:
Most of the guys here have one or more degrees in science. I don't, I lack technical insight...
> I like to know what I'm doing. F.e. want to know when I use a patch-programmable module, what module I created when I connect f.e. a gate and a trigger in...
> Roel

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "evetsterueb" <synth@...> wrote:
>
> Roel,
>
> You might benefit greatly from having an oscilloscope around. Maybe you could borrow one from one of those science guys and have them show you how to use it. This would let you see the signals and that could help you gain some intuition for what's going on. A picture's worth a thousand words.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "roelelec" <r.steverink@> wrote:
> Most of the guys here have one or more degrees in science. I don't, I lack technical insight...
> > I like to know what I'm doing. F.e. want to know when I use a patch-programmable module, what module I created when I connect f.e. a gate and a trigger in...
> > Roel
>

On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:34 AM, roelelec wrote:

> Hi Kim,
>
> You say stick a trigger into the trig. in, but I have learned that
> you have different kind of triggers and enveloppes in the Serge and
> not all are sufficient in each situation. Is a pulse from the random
> source the right guy? With other words, Do you need a random trigger
> to create a AR?

i just plug something into the "trig in" on my DTG and DSG and if it
triggers a cycle - its a trigger :)
any voltage with a sharp rising edge should do it - i also have an
envelope detector and an NCOM on my panels and both can
turn an audio signal into a signal useful for triggering..


> Since I have no TKB and no sequencer, a enveloppe will react in a
> different way, then when you trigger it via keys or a sequencer. And
> probably also different when I connect a EG to a oscillator on my
> Doepfer A100.
> That's something I thought. In some cases the 4 outputs of the DTG
> are not audio, but subaudio. I find out that when you don't touch the
> rise and fall knobs the right blue out is a subaudio triangle wave,
> which can be used for modulation. As soon as you tweak those knobs,
> your entering audio territory and get, depending on the position saw
> or inverse saw. The red one below is subaudio pulse, when tweaking
> knobs you get pwm. Which is cool, but took me some time to figure this
> out.

I always thought of the controls on the DTG in reverse of what you
describe here
- with the "normal" position of the knobs fully
clock-wise -
we all have our own personal approach to the Serge i guess.




>
> What I want to know is, if these AR and ASR's are sufficient enough
> for rhythmic melodies or that I still need the extended ADSR's.

My first panel was a custom one very similar to the animal shop panel
- with a DTG as the only eg source
That was my only panel for the next 6 years.

The DTG and DSG are fine for envelope duty - the ADSR is nice when you
use voltage control of the individual stages
but apart from that theres not that much of a difference IMO

>



all the best, - Kim

> triggers a cycle - its a trigger :)
> any voltage with a sharp rising edge should do it - i also have an
> envelope detector and an NCOM on my panels and both can
> turn an audio signal into a signal useful for triggering..

> I always thought of the controls on the DTG in reverse of what you
> describe here
> - with the "normal" position of the knobs fully
> clock-wise -
> we all have our own personal approach to the Serge i guess.
>

> My first panel was a custom one very similar to the animal shop panel
> - with a DTG as the only eg source
> That was my only panel for the next 6 years.
>
> The DTG and DSG are fine for envelope duty - the ADSR is nice when you
> use voltage control of the individual stages
> but apart from that theres not that much of a difference IMO