Hi Kim,
So, your from Copenhagen, Denmark, I'm from Maastricht, the Netherlands.
Hot weather over here now. No less then 30 degrees celsius today!
Oh, I read all the stuff you mentioned. I have read the Gold book 4x times already and visit Maiers webpage very often. His tread on the DSG "alphabet soup", although I don't have them yet, was very exciting and promising. My problem is, that I'm more a musician then a technician. Most of the guys here have one or more degrees in science. I don't, I lack technical insight. Have to delve deep into the stuff to know f.e. what a non-linear filter is and does. Till recently I never heard of this term. Now I know. For me it has been a steep road, but an exciting one and I'm learning.
I like to know what I'm doing. F.e. want to know when I use a patch-programmable module, what module I created when I connect f.e. a gate and a trigger in. Being familiar with the east cost philosophy, this kind of multifunktionality was completely knew to me. And I may have made this connection earlier, but didn't recognise, what it was, I created!
You say stick a trigger into the trig. in, but I have learned that you have different kind of triggers and enveloppes in the Serge and not all are sufficient in each situation. Is a pulse from the random source the right guy? With other words, Do you need a random trigger to create a AR?
Since I have no TKB and no sequencer, a enveloppe will react in a different way, then when you trigger it via keys or a sequencer. And probably also different when I connect a EG to a oscillator on my Doepfer A100.
That's something I thought. In some cases the 4 outputs of the DTG are not audio, but subaudio. I find out that when you don't touch the rise and fall knobs the right blue out is a subaudio triangle wave, which can be used for modulation. As soon as you tweak those knobs, your entering audio territory and get, depending on the position saw or inverse saw. The red one below is subaudio pulse, when tweaking knobs you get pwm. Which is cool, but took me some time to figure this out.
I gonna try it, the way you mentioned. I think, it must work the same way for the TGO, since it also has a gate and signal in.
What I want to know is, if these AR and ASR's are sufficient enough for rhythmic melodies or that I still need the extended ADSR's. I hope not, since I don't want the other modules in this M-panel. My next batch will be the Dual or Quad slope (I'm I crazy or what! I don't see any difference and yet the quad is 50 dollar higher in price! But both have 2 DSG's!!)
Hope to hear from you again.
Cheers,
Roel
So, your from Copenhagen, Denmark, I'm from Maastricht, the Netherlands.
Hot weather over here now. No less then 30 degrees celsius today!
Oh, I read all the stuff you mentioned. I have read the Gold book 4x times already and visit Maiers webpage very often. His tread on the DSG "alphabet soup", although I don't have them yet, was very exciting and promising. My problem is, that I'm more a musician then a technician. Most of the guys here have one or more degrees in science. I don't, I lack technical insight. Have to delve deep into the stuff to know f.e. what a non-linear filter is and does. Till recently I never heard of this term. Now I know. For me it has been a steep road, but an exciting one and I'm learning.
I like to know what I'm doing. F.e. want to know when I use a patch-programmable module, what module I created when I connect f.e. a gate and a trigger in. Being familiar with the east cost philosophy, this kind of multifunktionality was completely knew to me. And I may have made this connection earlier, but didn't recognise, what it was, I created!
You say stick a trigger into the trig. in, but I have learned that you have different kind of triggers and enveloppes in the Serge and not all are sufficient in each situation. Is a pulse from the random source the right guy? With other words, Do you need a random trigger to create a AR?
Since I have no TKB and no sequencer, a enveloppe will react in a different way, then when you trigger it via keys or a sequencer. And probably also different when I connect a EG to a oscillator on my Doepfer A100.
That's something I thought. In some cases the 4 outputs of the DTG are not audio, but subaudio. I find out that when you don't touch the rise and fall knobs the right blue out is a subaudio triangle wave, which can be used for modulation. As soon as you tweak those knobs, your entering audio territory and get, depending on the position saw or inverse saw. The red one below is subaudio pulse, when tweaking knobs you get pwm. Which is cool, but took me some time to figure this out.
I gonna try it, the way you mentioned. I think, it must work the same way for the TGO, since it also has a gate and signal in.
What I want to know is, if these AR and ASR's are sufficient enough for rhythmic melodies or that I still need the extended ADSR's. I hope not, since I don't want the other modules in this M-panel. My next batch will be the Dual or Quad slope (I'm I crazy or what! I don't see any difference and yet the quad is 50 dollar higher in price! But both have 2 DSG's!!)
Hope to hear from you again.
Cheers,
Roel
--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Kim Hansen <antenne@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Roel -
> nice to have another european on the list !
>
> re your ?s bout the DTG as an envelope generator -
> It works very well as an AR
> stick a trigger into the "trig in"
> the "gate" is an output - it outputs a gate level when the AR event is
> finished
> If you want an ASR connect a gate ( or any other positive voltage that
> you want the DTG to track ) to the "signal in"
>
> You should go to James "carbon111" Maier's webpage and download the
> copy of "The Gold Book"
> that he hosts - the section on how to get envelopes from a DSG applies
> to the DTG
>
> http://www.carbon111.com/serge.html
>
> all the best, - Kim in Copenhagen
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:36 AM, roelelec wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Last evening I had a big breakthrough with the SSG.
> > I thought I had read and studied all the tips and tricks on Egres,
> > but I had forgotten about SSG Hijinx part 1-3 from John P., probably
> > cause it's almost tucked away under the group module listing. I didn't
> > read it before, before I actually had the Serge that is, cause I
> > wouldn't understand it anyway, so I thought back then. I had forgotten
> > about this section. The clear writing of John P's way to patch-program
> > the SSG, did the trick for me. Thanks John!
> >
> > I succesfully patched from the smooth section a staircase generator,
> > a triangle lfo, a square lfo and a non-linear filter.
> > I also tried to patch the linear glide, but that didn't work out,
> > cause I didn't manage to get a proper trigger for this purpose.
> >
> > I tried to patch a EG from a TGO and DTG before, but no luck. It must
> > be quite simple, but I don't seem to get it right. So my question is
> > how to patch a ASR and AR out of TGO and DTG?
> > I used the gate and also the signal in, but still couldn't get it.
> >
> > Something else, related to this. I'm low on cv source. I don't have a
> > TKB, don't have a sequencer, so momentarily rely on any EG I patch
> > from a DTG and/ or TGO. My question is: Do I need the extended ADSR's
> > or are the enveloppes I can patch from a DSG (this M-panel will be
> > next on order) sufficient enough? I mean to make automatic melodies
> > and such rhythms without a sequencer? Last evening I also combined the
> > smooth and stepped section with the cupl and I was amazed about the
> > jumping melody I got!
> >
> > Thanks for help in advance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Roel
> >
> >
>