Comments below.
> From: "sonicsynthi" <sonic@...>
> Reply-To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:48:51 -0000
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: DIGI-TRIX Microcontrolled patching matrix.
>
> --- In SergeModular@y..., Bill Sequeira <bill@a...> wrote:
> Dear , Dear Bill, I've been using my Serge for around a
> decade .Might It be you who is "missing the point " (this is common
> amongst folk who have yet to grasp the inherent simplicity in a
> matrix.....so I wouldnt hold it against you .). You cannot "fan" 16
> (seperate) outputs to 1 module w/out multiples/mixers (a multiple is
> simply a mixer without individual attenuation (which all
> Serge "Multiples " charmingly provide )
Thanks for the unsolicited lesson but that is not necessary. I owned
a VCS3 for a number of years and know very well what a matrix can do.
The problem comes perhaps in thinking that this is the first matrix
the world has ever seen? ;-) However I would like to balance that
comment with the observation that maybe it is the first attempt to
create a general purpose matrix for use with modulars, which I rather
find interesting regardless of what anyone's opinions may be.
You are correct in terms of the total fan out count, and I apologize
as I was trying to clarify John's response rather than trying to
offend you. The issue was one of a lack of multiples in a Serge
system, not the multiplier in a NxN matrix.
That said, the issue still remains the same.
The issue at hand is not whether your approach is valid, but rather
how useful. As far as I am concerned all I am trying to do is understand
the usefulness of the device you propose without the hype.
> there is no such correlation unless you require a massive matrix
> system , which cost currently prohibits .that could only be the
> opinion of someone who has yet to see the uses of such a system .
> think about it - how often do you use all the patch points ? 16
> ins /outs goes a long way with purposefull thought .
> Of course many "PATCH-PROGRAMABLE" features are best left in that
> domain . (and indeed would be a waste of matrix space without
> justification within a patch.)
Hmmm...ok - if I follow your line of thinking, perhaps providing an
example of how one of your matrices can work with say, a 14 panel
system would be helpful. I do agree that 16x16 can get some
interesting stuff done.
And again, please do not believe that because this is a Serge list
people own only Serge equipment. I actually happen to believe in
equal opportunity for all equipment. :-)
> If you were more familiar with the power of a matrix perhaps you
> would understand why people pay (recently) $5000+ for a simple
> monosynth connected in this fashion (the excellent synthi a/vcs3.
As I stated above, I am familiar, so enough of this assumption.
Rather than seeking to frustrate you I am seeking understanding.
It is not obvious to me from your description how it would work
in a large system. Maybe a bit of a better description of the
physical characteristics of your device would serve the discussion
better?
> A challenge ? Hopefully , right ?
> In a way youve disproved your own theory - you actually appear
> to be getting it........ - .the Fenix is equivalent to over 2 serge
> panels , and you are correct in your sassumption that a matrix router
> makes it a very formidable tool .
I will oversee your condescension, as "getting it" is not a function
of faith but rather a function of learning and inquiry.
I do believe your device does have application for a small system, hence
my post. There is no theory behind my discussion, unless you misunderstand
inquiry as a form of theoretical exposition. And BTW, it is not clear to
me that the Fenix is equivalent to two Serge modules. One panel such as
the Animal can generate up to six oscillating sources.
Part of the battle of adopting a new device in a setup is understanding
its strengths and weaknesses. A matrix is clearly a strength, a weakness
appears to be its limited capacity, or is it? Here is the issue that you
could answer for your benefit and the benefit of all of us, potential
customers. You know more about your device than we do. It is your burden
to show us the goodness of it.
> much of the beauty of the matrix comes from its inherent impish
> quality of inviting you to explore the patches a regular modular shys
> from.
> Perhaps mistakenly , this post was sent to the Serge group as I
> expect it to be a forum for the intelligent & the experimenter . I'm
> often surprised at the lo ratio of such debate on line & thus rarely
> comment.
Experimenting means questioning, inquiring, testing and trying. If you
feel offended by the discussion your post generated, and by people wanting
to understand what you are offering, then perhaps the post was indeed a
mistake. You asked for feedback and you got feedback, maybe not in the
format you expected, and maybe not in the a validation format - your
idea stands regardless of my belief or ignorance, if you prefer.
Rather than escalating in a flame war, I would much rather have you
provide a complete and solid description. I want to learn more about it
and if useful to my purpose I would want to have one. But if I can't
understand its pluses and minuses I will not acquire a unit.
Regards,
Bill
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Bill Sequeira, Ph.D.
Principal, Axon Hillock