PLAN B analog blog

I really love the Livewire knobs, but hear that they wont really work
on the Plan B stuff, would the serge style knobs work?  
Its a shame the Livewires dont work on the Plan B it would be AMAZING!

Oh God, that subject!  Yeah, I hear you, totally. Mike's knobs are
awesome.  But if I had to go through what he goes through to find them
each time he has to buy them, I'd shoot myself.  Then Milton would
NEVER get done.

The Serge Knobs (Davies 1900H) are the same as MIke's.  The won't work
corectly on my pots.

The Knobs/pots I use are 6mm knurled.  I didn't do this so much
because they are what D and A. Sys uses, I did this because they are
very easy to find and who needs that headache.  Mike's knobs are 1/4
inch non knurled.  The pots are harder to get and therefor more
expensive, the knobs somtimes impossible to find.  Matter of fact,
Livewire has had to change their knobs a couple of times because you
have to hunt and peck for them on the internet.  None of the big guys
sell these.  I go to one place for pots - they always have them, I go
to another place for the knobs, they've always had them but once, and
they were due to arrive in a week that one time.  One less hassle in
the one-legged-man-in-an-ass-kicking-contest that is the life of a
small synth manufacturer. 

There are other factors.  I'm never one to cut corners in design. This
i promise you. These backlite knobs run over a $1.50 each.  The Davies
1900H run usually over $2 each.  The Rean soft touch I use are less
than 60 cents each.  The get Alpha pots for less than 50 cents each at
quantity.  The 1/4 inch pots, for no other reason than they aren't as
in demand as the 6mm run over $1.50 each.  Exactly same pot
mechanically outside of the different shaft diameter.

Let me ask you...would you guys pay $25 more for a Model 14 with
Mike's knobs and pots?  Cause that's what I"d have to charge  plus,
there's the headache of tracking them down.  Nobody sell these knobs!


There;s not much we can do about that accept do a custo order which
will literally cost thousands of dollars.  Outside of Synths and such,
knobs are not what they used to be as far as demand.  We in the
computer age now.

On 9/12/06 5:04 AM, "cray5656" <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> I really love the Livewire knobs, but hear that they wont really work
> on the Plan B stuff, would the serge style knobs work?
> Its a shame the Livewires dont work on the Plan B it would be AMAZING!

why not they screw tighten?  the plan b are just "D" shaped. right?

that said the serge/wiard knobs are the best to use, Davies 1900H, right?
they should work. they are pricey now.
expect a $1.50 US$ each, at least.

Hi Phil

As you know I have a Serge system and love the knobs, I was thinking 
about changing all the knobs so the plan b and doepfers  all had the 
serge davies knobs, but now i am thinking of removing the doepfers and 
buying the plan b knobs ....Peter any idea what the Plan B knobs are 
called and where to buy them?

Phil if you want to do a swap of doepfers for plan b ( and they fit on 
each other PM me)

Ross



p. hendricks wrote:

>
> On 9/12/06 5:04 AM, "cray5656" <amni56@tpg.com.au 
> <mailto:amni56%40tpg.com.au>> wrote:
>
> > I really love the Livewire knobs, but hear that they wont really work
> > on the Plan B stuff, would the serge style knobs work?
> > Its a shame the Livewires dont work on the Plan B it would be AMAZING!
>
> why not they screw tighten? the plan b are just "D" shaped. right?
>
> that said the serge/wiard knobs are the best to use, Davies 1900H, right?
> they should work. they are pricey now.
> expect a $1.50 US$ each, at least.
>
>

On 10/15/06 5:26 PM, "amnesia" <amni56@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Phil
> 
> As you know I have a Serge system and love the knobs, I was thinking
> about changing all the knobs so the plan b and doepfers  all had the
> serge davies knobs, but now i am thinking of removing the doepfers and
> buying the plan b knobs

i think they are re'an soft touch, Peter?

> 
> Phil if you want to do a swap of doepfers for plan b ( and they fit on
> each other PM me)
nah, don't like(or hate) the doepfer knobs.  love the davies! and the
livewire bakelite knobs, but really the the planb/blacet soft-touch are
fine.
not pickey... but my preference seems to coincide with the knob cost.
the new joemeek aluminum knobs are excellent , and hongkongsuperseller on
ebay has some nice bakelite ones....
i appreciate them only so much,  for performance the davies are the way to
go... but they are pricey. and have too many bits of gear to try and make it
all look like the same.
best,
phil

if you find out that doepfer and Plan B can take the davies I will buy
100 of them :-)

OUr knobs aren't D shaft - they're spline.  


Livewire ar 1/4 inch, ours are 6MM. The Livewiire knobs are
practically impossible to get.

Sorry to tell you, but the Davies 1900H wont't work, either.  Those
are also 1/4 inch.




--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "p. hendricks" <ph@...> wrote:
>
> On 9/12/06 5:04 AM, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
> 
> > I really love the Livewire knobs, but hear that they wont really work
> > on the Plan B stuff, would the serge style knobs work?
> > Its a shame the Livewires dont work on the Plan B it would be AMAZING!
> 
> why not they screw tighten?  the plan b are just "D" shaped. right?
> 
> that said the serge/wiard knobs are the best to use, Davies 1900H,
right?

> they should work. they are pricey now.
> expect a $1.50 US$ each, at least.
>