saving money with tickmark discs
2007-09-28 by David Griffith

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2007-09-28 by David Griffith
2007-09-28 by Scott Deyo
On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>
> It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
> things
> that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch of
> thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
> tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it look
> or feel ugly?
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi@...
>
>
2007-09-28 by David Griffith
> It's only more expensive if you use FPE/ Schaeffer, who engraves andCan you handle .fpd files?
> inks each tickmark. For silkscreens, it's no more expensive. That's why
> Stooge Panels and that Bridechamber place are so much less expensive.
> But then there's the one-off issue, since those places aren't
> automated, at least not to such a degree.
2007-09-28 by loopcycle
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Scott Deyo wrote:____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> > It's only more expensive if you use FPE/ Schaeffer, who engraves and
> > inks each tickmark. For silkscreens, it's no more expensive. That's why
> > Stooge Panels and that Bridechamber place are so much less expensive.
> > But then there's the one-off issue, since those places aren't
> > automated, at least not to such a degree.
>
> Can you handle .fpd files?
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi@...
>
2007-09-28 by xamboldt
On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>
> It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
> things
> that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch of
> thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
> tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it look
> or feel ugly?
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi@...
>
>
2007-09-28 by Scott Deyo
On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, xamboldt wrote:
> If you use HPGL to make the tick marks, it saves some money. I
> believe you can find some example fpd files on Dave Brown's site.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>
> >
> > It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
> > things
> > that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch
> of
> > thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
> > tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it
> look
> > or feel ugly?
> >
> > --
> > David Griffith
> > dgriffi@...
> >
> >
>
>
>
2007-09-28 by ~Morbius~
----- Original Message -----From: Scott DeyoSent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:10 PMSubject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] saving money with tickmark discsThat's cool. I didn't know about that. I just saw Dave's CVS module -- crazy! I love it!
I can't legally use fpd files, though I think I can view them and go from there. But they did make the software, and it's very handy indeed. It's a morally gray area :)
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, xamboldt wrote:
If you use HPGL to make the tick marks, it saves some money. I
believe you can find some example fpd files on Dave Brown's site.
-Chris
On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>
> It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
> things
> that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch of
> thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
> tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it look
> or feel ugly?
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi@...
>
>
2007-09-28 by Scott Deyo
On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:44 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote:
> Just as an info kinda thing.... Having been an engraver and working
> in the sign biz for since the 80's, I can tell you that
> reverse-engraving (or front engraving) and paint-filling (or spraying)
> is going to be more expensive since it is so much more
> labor-intensive. I had, at one time, considered reverse-engraving
> either plexi, or lexan... and illuminating it either from the side(s)
> or the back. The rear is painted black, and the graphics are painted
> whatever color you want (or use colored a light-source and leave the
> engraved clear)... That makes all of the text, graphics, and tickmarks
> light-up (and looks very impressive). When I was in Nashville, I
> worked at a sign company which did all of the engraving work and
> awards for the Country Music Awards.... Opryland... all of the big
> hotels.... and our engraving department was the largest department in
> the whole place, with 5 fulltime engravers working 5 days a week, 9
> hours a day. We built a lot of stuff from scratch in plexi and lexan,
> and had every type of equipment needed... from plainers to routing
> tables... from acetylene torches to 'weld-on' (plexi glue) and
> paint-booths. Like most things, you get what you pay for... and if you
> go with 'cheap', it's gonna look 'cheap'.
>
> A much cheaper way would be to have the 'dial' (with the tickmark
> calibration) printed onto adhesive vinyl. But here again, quantities
> are really needed to make it cost effective. Where it can be printed
> more cheaply on a Fargo or any large-format printer... cutting-out the
> 'stickers' becomes the issue. There are a few large-format printers
> which are also plotter/cutters... and they can do the entire operation
> from the file. But- it's still a matter of 'do you want 'stickers...
> or silkscreened, or engraved'? The 'look' one wants, is gonna have
> everthing to do with the cost... just like the quantity is going to
> affect the price... (or price per unit).
>
> Laser-engraving is the way to go with many materials. And usually,
> besides the laser doing the engraving, it also cuts-out each unit from
> the material blanks.
> Making the tickmarks is no big deal... that is, with the proper
> software. I know that CasMate and Flexi Sign are both used for
> engraving, vinyl-cutting, and large-format printing... and both do
> vector-graphics, and generate all sorts of dials, rulers, calibration
> and tickmarks... and all you do is select the option you want in the
> drop-drown menu, then, assign the variables... size of the dial,
> thickness of the strokes, depth, how many, numbers or characters and
> where you want them... etc. But like silkscreening... it's the first
> layout that takes a little time designing. After that, you're just
> pulling-up a file and reproducing it, or editing it.
>
> Just my $02/100
> I'll shut-up now. : |
>
> ~Morbius~
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Scott Deyo
>> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] saving money with tickmark discs
>>
>> That's cool. I didn't know about that. I just saw Dave's CVS module
>> -- crazy! I love it!
>>
>> I can't legally use fpd files, though I think I can view them and go
>> from there. But they did make the software, and it's very handy
>> indeed. It's a morally gray area :)
>>
>> Scott Deyo
>> The Bridechamber
>> contact@...
>> www.bridechamber.com
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, xamboldt wrote:
>>
>>> If you use HPGL to make the tick marks, it saves some money. I
>>> believe you can find some example fpd files on Dave Brown's site.
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
>>> > things
>>> > that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch
>>> of
>>> > thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
>>> > tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it
>>> look
>>> > or feel ugly?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > David Griffith
>>> > dgriffi@...
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>
>
2007-09-28 by Richard Brewster
> If you use HPGL to make the tick marks, it saves some money. I
> believe you can find some example fpd files on Dave Brown's site.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>
>
>> It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
>> things
>> that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch of
>> thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
>> tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it look
>> or feel ugly?
>>
>> --
>> David Griffith
>> dgriffi@...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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2007-09-28 by ~Morbius~
----- Original Message -----From: Scott DeyoSent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:11 PMSubject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: saving money with tickmark discsHi Morbius,
If that's your $.02, I'll throw in a dollar to hear more! It's really good to know the biz side of things, and how other places do it.
How hard is it to have a nice textured paint finish (like DotCom, for instance ;) on an engraved panel? That's my biggest beef w/ FPE -- they just look so flat, and scratch easily.
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:44 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote:
Just as an info kinda thing.... Having been an engraver and working in the sign biz for since the 80's, I can tell you that reverse-engraving (or front engraving) and paint-filling (or spraying) is going to be more expensive since it is so much more labor-intensive. I had, at one time, considered reverse-engraving either plexi, or lexan... and illuminating it either from the side(s) or the back. The rear is painted black, and the graphics are painted whatever color you want (or use colored a light-source and leave the engraved clear)... That makes all of the text, graphics, and tickmarks light-up (and looks very impressive). When I was in Nashville, I worked at a sign company which did all of the engraving work and awards for the Country Music Awards.... Opryland... all of the big hotels.... and our engraving department was the largest department in the whole place, with 5 fulltime engravers working 5 days a week, 9 hours a day. We built a lot of stuff from scratch in plexi and lexan, and had every type of equipment needed... from plainers to routing tables... from acetylene torches to 'weld-on' (plexi glue) and paint-booths. Like most things, you get what you pay for... and if you go with 'cheap', it's gonna look 'cheap'.
A much cheaper way would be to have the 'dial' (with the tickmark calibration) printed onto adhesive vinyl. But here again, quantities are really needed to make it cost effective. Where it can be printed more cheaply on a Fargo or any large-format printer... cutting-out the 'stickers' becomes the issue. There are a few large-format printers which are also plotter/cutters... and they can do the entire operation from the file. But- it's still a matter of 'do you want 'stickers... or silkscreened, or engraved'? The 'look' one wants, is gonna have everthing to do with the cost... just like the quantity is going to affect the price... (or price per unit).
Laser-engraving is the way to go with many materials. And usually, besides the laser doing the engraving, it also cuts-out each unit from the material blanks.
Making the tickmarks is no big deal... that is, with the proper software. I know that CasMate and Flexi Sign are both used for engraving, vinyl-cutting, and large-format printing... and both do vector-graphics, and generate all sorts of dials, rulers, calibration and tickmarks... and all you do is select the option you want in the drop-drown menu, then, assign the variables... size of the dial, thickness of the strokes, depth, how many, numbers or characters and where you want them... etc. But like silkscreening... it's the first layout that takes a little time designing. After that, you're just pulling-up a file and reproducing it, or editing it.
Just my $02/100
I'll shut-up now. : |
~Morbius~
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Deyo
To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] saving money with tickmark discs
That's cool. I didn't know about that. I just saw Dave's CVS module -- crazy! I love it!
I can't legally use fpd files, though I think I can view them and go from there. But they did make the software, and it's very handy indeed. It's a morally gray area :)
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
www.bridechamber.com
On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, xamboldt wrote:
If you use HPGL to make the tick marks, it saves some money. I
believe you can find some example fpd files on Dave Brown's site.
-Chris
On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>
> It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
> things
> that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch of
> thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
> tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it look
> or feel ugly?
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi@...
>
>
2007-09-28 by John Mahoney
How hard is it to have a nice textured paint finish (like DotCom, for instance ;) on an engraved panel? That's my biggest beef w/ FPE -- they just look so flat, and scratch easily.
The Suit & Tie Guy's panels, made using the same photo etching process (and same fonts!) that Moog modular panels used, look awesome. However, they have a matte finish that doesn't look like dotcom and MOTM panels. When I got my first STG panel -- not thinking that I'd get others -- I wanted it to look more dotcom-like. So...
What I did was to spray a few very light (misty) coats of clear coat. The result looked much more like the dotcom panels; not the same, because they don't have the same texture as the dotcom and MOTM panels, but the color matches more closely and there is a slight texture to it.
Consider experimenting with clear coat on a spare panel. Mask it off so that you are only spraying a small area, that way you can try different spraying techniques, different numbers of coats, etc.
Dotcom and MOTM panels are powder coated. Powder coat can be clear and it can be textured, but having it applied to an FPE panel would bump the cost of those pricey panels even higher.
--
john
2007-09-29 by loopcycle
> Dotcom and MOTM panels are powder coated.Just for the record, Paul S has previously said (about his MOTM panels):
2007-09-29 by John Mahoney
>Just for the record, Paul S has previously said (about his MOTM panels):LOL! I first wrote something like "I think that dotcom and MOTM ...",
>
>"The MOTM modules, both Frac and 5U tall, are *not* powder coated ...
>They are painted with Sherman-Williams Polane B polyurethane using an
>undercoat. The panels are then baked in an oven for 2 hours. The
>silkscreen is
>a DuPont epoxy-based enamel."
>
>(I took this from modularsynth.net, where we've discussed this a
>little before)
2007-09-29 by David Griffith
> --- John Mahoney <jmahoney@...> wrote:I wish Paia would so something like that for their panels. The
>
> > Dotcom and MOTM panels are powder coated.
>
>
> Just for the record, Paul S has previously said (about his MOTM panels):
>
> "The MOTM modules, both Frac and 5U tall, are *not* powder coated ...
> They are painted with Sherman-Williams Polane B polyurethane using an
> undercoat. The panels are then baked in an oven for 2 hours. The
> silkscreen is a DuPont epoxy-based enamel."
2007-09-29 by Suit & Tie Guy
> The dotcom panels may also NOT be powder coated.according to the Synthesizers.com technical page, aka "the dotcom
2007-09-29 by Samppa Tolvanen
>http://www.schaeffer-ag.de - the original author of the software,
> I can't legally use fpd files, though I think I can view them and go
> from there. But they did make the software, and it's very handy indeed.
> It's a morally gray area :)
>
2007-09-29 by Scott Deyo
On Sep 28, 2007, at 6:21 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote:
> Well... my guess is that the type of paint used is what forms the
> texture. You may be thinking "well yeah... duh?!". In the engraving
> world (by and large), 'textures' are made, or formed into the
> engraving material blanks themselves. These aren't usually thick
> pieces of metal (like module blanks), but usually plastic... and
> certainly not what one would use AS a module. Again, it goes back to
> numbers... if you know you are going to do X-100 or X-1000, then it
> becomes much more economically feasible.... to do metal blanks, and
> silkscreen them. It seems to me that there is a place near me, which
> my tech told me that this company does exactly that... make just about
> anything out of any kind of sheet-metal... be it aluminum, or
> whatever. The can make control-boxes (the housings), or module
> faces... the do the cutting, bending, painting, punching, printing...
> everything (so he said). I think the name of the place is "Ten-Tech"
> or "Tenn Tec"... something like that... and they're in Sevierville,
> Tn., on Dolly Parton Pkwy. I've passed by the place, but have never
> gone in. As I understand it... you could take them a sample or example
> of what you want done, and they can take it from there.
>
> As for engraving on textured metal... I dunno. That seems to be an
> element from two different worlds... in that, by using textured paint
> on aluminum, I think the only option may just be to silkscreen the
> graphics. Engraving metal is done, but it's usually a very thin
> gauge... and basically, it's scratched into the surface. Think of
> trophies and plaques. When you see something engraved with two or more
> colors, it's either multi-colored engraving materieal (which is
> plastic), or something like plexi or lexan, and engraved, and
> sometimes paint-filled, or spray painted. The quick and simple
> method... spray-paint the back side one color... let it dry... then
> engrave the lettering, and paint-fill or spray the letter/grahic 2nd
> color into the engraved part... and this is all on the back-side of
> the material. But- that's only good of plastics/plexi/lexan... not
> metal.
>
> There are some metal blanks, made for laser-engraving, which are one
> color on the front surface, and the laser-engraving burns away that
> top surface color, revealing a second color beneath.... usually gold
> or brass-looking color. There may be some new materials on the market
> now. I've been out of it for 5-6 years.
>
> Hope this was of some help... or at least, of interest.
>
> ~Morbius~
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Scott Deyo
>> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] Re: saving money with tickmark discs
>>
>> Hi Morbius,
>>
>> If that's your $.02, I'll throw in a dollar to hear more! It's really
>> good to know the biz side of things, and how other places do it.
>>
>> How hard is it to have a nice textured paint finish (like DotCom, for
>> instance ;) on an engraved panel? That's my biggest beef w/ FPE --
>> they just look so flat, and scratch easily.
>>
>> Scott Deyo
>> The Bridechamber
>> contact@...
>> www.bridechamber.com
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:44 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote:
>>
>>> Just as an info kinda thing.... Having been an engraver and working
>>> in the sign biz for since the 80's, I can tell you that
>>> reverse-engraving (or front engraving) and paint-filling (or
>>> spraying) is going to be more expensive since it is so much more
>>> labor-intensive. I had, at one time, considered reverse-engraving
>>> either plexi, or lexan... and illuminating it either from the
>>> side(s) or the back. The rear is painted black, and the graphics are
>>> painted whatever color you want (or use colored a light-source and
>>> leave the engraved clear)... That makes all of the text, graphics,
>>> and tickmarks light-up (and looks very impressive). When I was in
>>> Nashville, I worked at a sign company which did all of the engraving
>>> work and awards for the Country Music Awards.... Opryland... all of
>>> the big hotels.... and our engraving department was the largest
>>> department in the whole place, with 5 fulltime engravers working 5
>>> days a week, 9 hours a day. We built a lot of stuff from scratch in
>>> plexi and lexan, and had every type of equipment needed... from
>>> plainers to routing tables... from acetylene torches to 'weld-on'
>>> (plexi glue) and paint-booths. Like most things, you get what you
>>> pay for... and if you go with 'cheap', it's gonna look 'cheap'.
>>>
>>> A much cheaper way would be to have the 'dial' (with the tickmark
>>> calibration) printed onto adhesive vinyl. But here again, quantities
>>> are really needed to make it cost effective. Where it can be printed
>>> more cheaply on a Fargo or any large-format printer... cutting-out
>>> the 'stickers' becomes the issue. There are a few large-format
>>> printers which are also plotter/cutters... and they can do the
>>> entire operation from the file. But- it's still a matter of 'do you
>>> want 'stickers... or silkscreened, or engraved'? The 'look' one
>>> wants, is gonna have everthing to do with the cost... just like the
>>> quantity is going to affect the price... (or price per unit).
>>>
>>> Laser-engraving is the way to go with many materials. And usually,
>>> besides the laser doing the engraving, it also cuts-out each unit
>>> from the material blanks.
>>> Making the tickmarks is no big deal... that is, with the proper
>>> software. I know that CasMate and Flexi Sign are both used for
>>> engraving, vinyl-cutting, and large-format printing... and both do
>>> vector-graphics, and generate all sorts of dials, rulers,
>>> calibration and tickmarks... and all you do is select the option
>>> you want in the drop-drown menu, then, assign the variables... size
>>> of the dial, thickness of the strokes, depth, how many, numbers or
>>> characters and where you want them... etc. But like silkscreening...
>>> it's the first layout that takes a little time designing. After
>>> that, you're just pulling-up a file and reproducing it, or editing
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Just my $02/100
>>> I'll shut-up now. : |
>>>
>>> ~Morbius~
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Scott Deyo
>>>> To: ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] saving money with tickmark discs
>>>>
>>>> That's cool. I didn't know about that. I just saw Dave's CVS module
>>>> -- crazy! I love it!
>>>>
>>>> I can't legally use fpd files, though I think I can view them and
>>>> go from there. But they did make the software, and it's very handy
>>>> indeed. It's a morally gray area :)
>>>>
>>>> Scott Deyo
>>>> The Bridechamber
>>>> contact@...
>>>> www.bridechamber.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, xamboldt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you use HPGL to make the tick marks, it saves some money. I
>>>>> believe you can find some example fpd files on Dave Brown's site.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2007, at 4:21 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those
>>>>> > things
>>>>> > that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a
>>>>> bunch of
>>>>> > thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of
>>>>> putting
>>>>> > tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would
>>>>> it look
>>>>> > or feel ugly?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > David Griffith
>>>>> > dgriffi@...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>
>
2007-09-29 by Scott Deyo
On Sep 29, 2007, at 4:22 AM, Samppa Tolvanen wrote:
> On 9/29/07, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote:
> >
> > I can't legally use fpd files, though I think I can view them and go
> > from there. But they did make the software, and it's very handy
> indeed.
> > It's a morally gray area :)
> >
>
> http://www.schaeffer-ag.de - the original author of the software,
> sells .dxf export filter for the product. (In this same group we had
> discussion about it in the May and the price was 90e) - Is it only for
> viewing designs in other cad programs?
>
> I can see "Front Panel Express, LLC" licence agreement saying:
> "1.5 User is allowed to use the data generated with the software in
> two ways: 1) he may store them as documents or 2) he may send them to
> the manufacturer to deal with the data in the context of certain other
> contracts."
>
> I'd deal directly with Schaeffer and what restrictions apply to the
> export filter usage.
>
> You might be getting, What I call, "excellent cad software made just
> for this work" for ~$125. (Do Your macroelements (learn object group
> alignments, rotation), then just copy-paste-move, re-enter text ect.)
>
> Samppa
>
>
2007-09-29 by peng3002
> It seems to me that making tickmarks around pots is one of those thingsHow about no tickmarks? I don't see them as essential at all. I've
> that really add to the cost of panels. Suppose you make up a bunch of
> thin discs with tickmarks on them and use those instead of putting
> tickmarks directly on the panels. Would this be cheaper? Would it look
> or feel ugly?
2007-09-30 by Samppa Tolvanen
> I thought about it when I started Bridechamber, to just send fpd's to;) or Understood..
> my metal guys. But I'd still have to lay it out in Illustrator (or
> similar) for the silkscreeners. So I just draw the mechanical up by
> hand. There is really not much variation in the panels, so it's easy
> this way.
>
> If I get into doing one-offs, I may send some money to FPE and letDidn't Illustrator import dxf drawings? I'm ready to put $20 for
> people send their designs that way. I'd still end up redoing the
> graphics in Illustrator, but this way I'd know exactly what the
> customer wants.
>
2007-10-02 by contact@bridechamber.com
----- Original Message -----From: Samppa TolvanenSent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:23 PMSubject: Re: [ModularSynthPanels] saving money with tickmark discsOn 9/29/07, Scott Deyo <contact@bridechambe r.com> wrote:
> I thought about it when I started Bridechamber, to just send fpd's to
> my metal guys. But I'd still have to lay it out in Illustrator (or
> similar) for the silkscreeners. So I just draw the mechanical up by
> hand. There is really not much variation in the panels, so it's easy
> this way.
>
;) or Understood..
> If I get into doing one-offs, I may send some money to FPE and let
> people send their designs that way. I'd still end up redoing the
> graphics in Illustrator, but this way I'd know exactly what the
> customer wants.
>
Didn't Illustrator import dxf drawings? I'm ready to put $20 for
FrontPanel Desinger dxf export filter purchase for Bridechamber.
Samppa