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Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by richyho@virginmedia.com

I'm interested to hear how I can sequence (up to) 8 triggers/gates without using an A-155 sequencer. The standard response would be to use an A-160/161 combo, feeding the selected outputs of the A-161 that you want to use to an A-186-1 gate combiner. The only problem with this is that the 186-1 only has 7 inputs rather than 8 and ideally I'd like to use something with switches rather than pulling cables in and out. I'm looking for 100% Doepfer, non-DIY suggestions. Oh, and the hopefully-soon-to-be-released A-157-1/2/3 combo is too big and 8x overkill! I guess I could use two A-186-1 modules after the A-161, but can you think of a module combination that uses switches?

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by david.salter@thomsonreuters.com

Hi Rich,

Not Doepfer but look out for the Analogue Solutions SQ8 which is a great sequencer that should meet your needs

David

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Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

I'm interested to hear how I can sequence (up to) 8 triggers/gates without using an A-155 sequencer. The standard response would be to use an A-160/161 combo, feeding the selected outputs of the A-161 that you want to use to an A-186-1 gate combiner. The only problem with this is that the 186-1 only has 7 inputs rather than 8 and ideally I'd like to use something with switches rather than pulling cables in and out. I'm looking for 100% Doepfer, non-DIY suggestions. Oh, and the hopefully-soon-to-be-released A-157-1/2/3 combo is too big and 8x overkill! I guess I could use two A-186-1 modules after the A-161, but can you think of a module combination that uses switches?

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by richyho@virginmedia.com

Thanks for that suggestion David. I've never paid much attention to the ASol modules and this one's a beauty! But... I am planning a small 100% Doepfer synth and would like to come up with a sequencing solution that is fully modular (combining the following A- modules: 147 148 150 151 152 156 160 161 etc), . I thought about using the A-182-1 switched multiple but I think that it would short out the A-161's outputs. An 8HP A-186-1 with a switch at each input and 9 sockets instead of 8 would be a perfect partner for an A-161! Dieter...?

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by david.salter@thomsonreuters.com

Be interested in seeing such a set up Rich

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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richyho@virginmedia.com
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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

Thanks for that suggestion David. I've never paid much attention to the ASol modules and this one's a beauty! But... I am planning a small 100% Doepfer synth and would like to come up with a sequencing solution that is fully modular (combining the following A- modules: 147 148 150 151 152 156 160 161 etc), . I thought about using the A-182-1 switched multiple but I think that it would short out the A-161's outputs. An 8HP A-186-1 with a switch at each input and 9 sockets instead of 8 would be a perfect partner for an A-161! Dieter...?

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by richyho@virginmedia.com

I've never been a fan of the A-155 due to its massive size - particularly when coupled with its A-154 brother, a quantizer and a switch (to enable 16-step use) as it fills an entire 84HP row. This particular combo does however have a massive, and very useful feature spec. The challenge I've set myself is to replicate it in 'sub-modules', even though it will definitely eat up more than 84HP and will likely cost much more than what a 154/155 combo does. The big WIN for such a setup would be how the modules could be used for other jobs, rather than just sequencing, and also be recombined in other, more complex ways to produce new sequencing possibilities.

I will put an example of what I'm thinking of up on Modular Grid later David.

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by richyho@virginmedia.com

Hmmmm.... laying it out in Modular Grid I have come across a limitation of the A-152 when used as a sequencing stage selector. Forwards motion is simple - just use the clock input. Random is also simple - just feed it a random voltage from an A-118/A-148 pair. Reverse *IN TIME WITH THE MAIN CLOCK* is tricky, as is pendulum mode. I guess you could feed it an inverted saw from an LFO running at 1/8 the speed of the main clock using the /8 from the A-160 attached to the main clock to reset it.

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Thanks for that suggestion David. I've never paid much attention
> to the ASol modules and this one's a beauty! But... I am planning
> a small 100% Doepfer synth and would like to come up with a
> sequencing solution that is fully modular (combining the
> following A- modules: 147 148 150 151 152 156 160 161 etc), . I
> thought about using the A-182-1 switched multiple but I think
> that it would short out the A-161's outputs. An 8HP A-186-1 with
> a switch at each input and 9 sockets instead of 8 would be a
> perfect partner for an A-161! Dieter...?

It would be much easier to modify the A-182 by adding a diode between each
socket and switch. Simply interrupt the pcb track between socket and switch,
solder a diode between socket and switch (the schematics is shown on the
A-186 page) and add an output socket. That way you obtain a "switched" A-186
gate/trigger combiner.

It would probably take only a few hours to "condense" the A-182 pcb and
front panel to obtain such a module (with 9 sockets and 8 switches). But I'm
not sure if there are sufficient inquiries for such a module. An additional
option would be select between "DC coupled combination" (i.e. gate remains a
steady gate signal at the sum) or "AC coupled combination" (i.e. only the
rising edges of the inputs signals are used to generate the combined trigger
signal). The two types could be distinguished by left/right positions of the
switches (center = off).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by david.salter@thomsonreuters.com

This is proving to be a really interesting thread

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Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

> Thanks for that suggestion David. I've never paid much attention to 
> the ASol modules and this one's a beauty! But... I am planning a small 
> 100% Doepfer synth and would like to come up with a sequencing 
> solution that is fully modular (combining the following A- modules: 
> 147 148 150 151 152 156 160 161 etc), . I thought about using the 
> A-182-1 switched multiple but I think that it would short out the 
> A-161's outputs. An 8HP A-186-1 with a switch at each input and 9 
> sockets instead of 8 would be a perfect partner for an A-161! 
> Dieter...?

It would be much easier to modify the A-182 by adding a diode between each socket and switch. Simply interrupt the pcb track between socket and switch, solder a diode between socket and switch (the schematics is shown on the
A-186 page) and add an output socket. That way you obtain a "switched" A-186 gate/trigger combiner.

It would probably take only a few hours to "condense" the A-182 pcb and front panel to obtain such a module (with 9 sockets and 8 switches). But I'm not sure if there are sufficient inquiries for such a module. An additional option would be select between "DC coupled combination" (i.e. gate remains a steady gate signal at the sum) or "AC coupled combination" (i.e. only the rising edges of the inputs signals are used to generate the combined trigger signal). The two types could be distinguished by left/right positions of the switches (center = off).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer



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RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by richyho@virginmedia.com

Thanks for the reply Dieter.

Here's another idea... a new A-161-2 module. It would interface to the PCB of the A-160 (like the current A-161) and instead of having just the 8 gate outputs and LEDs it would have 8 individual switchable gate outputs and an extra combined output which ORs all the outputs set to 'on'. It would probably need to be 6 or 8 HP to include the extra socket and 9 switches (8 stage on/off switches + AC/DC switch).

I think lots of people would buy this to go with their A-160! What do you think?

Cheers

Rich

RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by david.salter@thomsonreuters.com

I’d buy a second A160 for this to be honest as I like the 160/161 combination

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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richyho@virginmedia.com
Sent: 27 February 2014 16:20
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

Thanks for the reply Dieter.

Here's another idea... a new A-161-2 module. It would interface to the PCB of the A-160 (like the current A-161) and instead of having just the 8 gate outputs and LEDs it would have 8 individual switchable gate outputs and an extra combined output which ORs all the outputs set to 'on'. It would probably need to be 6 or 8 HP to include the extra socket and 9 switches (8 stage on/off switches + AC/DC switch).

I think lots of people would buy this to go with their A-160! What do you think?

Cheers

Rich

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by Florian Anwander

I think the modules A-160/161 have the disadvantage, that they don't 
start with step 1, but with step 2 (and 160 also does not count 
musically - should be a down counter). So I would not invest into those. 
I think a new generation of PIC based counters and dividers would be 
great. Perhaps even a module group that also would be able to provide / 
read an internal adress bus, so one might combine it with the A-154.

AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Alternatives to A-155 for trigger/gate sequencing

2014-02-27 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> Thanks for the reply Dieter.
>
>
> Here's another idea... a new A-161-2 module. It would interface
> to the PCB of the A-160 (like the current A-161) and instead of
> having just the 8 gate outputs and LEDs it would have 8
> individual switchable gate outputs and an extra combined output
> which ORs all the outputs set to 'on'. It would probably need to
> be 6 or 8 HP to include the extra socket and 9 switches (8 stage
> on/off switches + AC/DC switch).
>
>
> I think lots of people would buy this to go with their A-160!
> What do you think?
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Rich

In principle it would be easy for us to combine any of the module A-160/161,
A-182, A-186 and so on to a new combo-module. But in the end it's important
for us if there are sufficient inquiries for such a new module (and which
version). As I'm very busy because of the upcoming Musikmesse in Frankfurt
let's move this discussion after the Musikmesse (at least my contribution).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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