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We just uploaded an on-line article we just finish about Melvin Sokolsky.

I thought eveyone would injoy.

http://bowhaus.com/news/msokolsky.htm

Joe

We just uploaded an on-line article we just finish about Melvin Sokolsky.

I thought eveyone would injoy.

http://bowhaus.com/news/msokolsky.htm

Joe

Hi,


Antonis gave us useful information about this software. As A.Huntley, 
I am asking questions to make my decision on buying the product 
before 05/01 to get the offered discount.

I'll be very pleased if Joe Berndt or any user of the windows version 
could answer my questions:

- if I get this Windows XP Pre-release (=beta ?) version, will I be 
able to download further upgrade versions ?

- Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?

- Is it possible to achieve very gradual color change with the 
IJC/OPM split toning method (ie via channel masks) as offered by the 
new XP version ?

- Which paper/ink profiles are available with this version ?


Thanks in advance for your help,

Regards.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jbowhaus" 
<joeberndt@v...> wrote:
> 
> We just uploaded an on-line article we just finish about Melvin 
Sokolsky.

> 
> I thought eveyone would injoy.
> 
> http://bowhaus.com/news/msokolsky.htm
> 
> Joe

Joe,
you may want to contact BowHaus directly for questions on upgrades etc.
http://www.bowhaus.com/contact/contact.htm

I believe IJC/OPM works on win2000 but I have only tested it on XP pro.
Better to ask at Bowhaus for an official answer.

Very gradual toning can be achieved because it depends either on how
you build your profile (you can do split toning within a profile too) or how
you build your alpha channels in photoshop.

The paper/ ink profiles are meant as starter profiles. Some come from
Bowhaus some from other users like myself. They may not fit your exact
set up. 
Example of profiles:
R200 - OEM inks - Costco gloss paper, EEM (Enhanced Matte)
9600 - OEM inks - Canvas sepia, Hahnemuhle Photo Rag
9500 - WarmTone Piezotone - EAM (Archival Matte), Moab Canvas
7000 - WarmTone Piezotone with MIS FS black - Photo Rag
4000 - OEM - H. German Etching
2200 - MIS_UT - Ilford Smooth pearl, permaJet mus. classic, Epson Luster
2200 - OEM - Concorde Rag, Wells River, EEM, EAM, Velvet FA, G.Etching, 
            P.Rag, Epson color Life, JetPrint Pro, Kodak Ultima, 
            Oriental FB Glossy, Red River UltraPro, Lyson Pro Gloss
2200 - Lyson Daylight Darkroom inks - DD Gloss, DD Matt


Depending on the set up profiles can be adapted to other printers with
the same inks - such as 2200/OEM profiles can easily be used for 
7600/9600 machines as long as they are linearized, and vice versa.
Likewise, one Hahnemuehle profile can easily be adapted to other H.
papers by mostly linearizing.


Antonis


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joejx8" <joejx8@h...> wrote:

..............

> - if I get this Windows XP Pre-release (=beta ?) version, will I be 
> able to download further upgrade versions ?
> 
> - Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
> 
> - Is it possible to achieve very gradual color change with the 
> IJC/OPM split toning method (ie via channel masks) as offered by the 
> new XP version ?
> 
> - Which paper/ink profiles are available with this version ?

joejx8 wrote:

> - Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?

It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which 
reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I think 
you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB printer.

libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it isn't 
being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more reliable 
information.

Regards

-- 
Peter Marshall
petermarshall@...     +44 (0)1784 456474
31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK
_________________________________________________________________
My London Diary	              http://mylondondiary.co.uk/
London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/
The Buildings of London etc:  http://londonphotographs.co.uk/
and elsewhere......

Thank you very much Antonis for all these details !

As you are our only source of answer, may I ask you some more 
questions ?

- is IJC/OPM really a viable solution for somebody without a 
densitometer (assuming you would like to achieve results similar - 
quality wise - to QTR) ?

- How long do you think it could take to build a correct UC 8 ink 
profile (I own an epson 4000) from existing one assuming you've fully 
read the manuals and have basic knowledge on curves ? few hours ? 
more ?

Thanks in advance for your help !



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antonis" 
<antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> you may want to contact BowHaus directly for questions on upgrades 
etc.
> http://www.bowhaus.com/contact/contact.htm
> 
> I believe IJC/OPM works on win2000 but I have only tested it on XP 
pro.
> Better to ask at Bowhaus for an official answer.
> 
> Very gradual toning can be achieved because it depends either on how
> you build your profile (you can do split toning within a profile 
too) or how
> you build your alpha channels in photoshop.
> 
> The paper/ ink profiles are meant as starter profiles. Some come 
from
> Bowhaus some from other users like myself. They may not fit your 
exact
> set up. 
> Example of profiles:
> R200 - OEM inks - Costco gloss paper, EEM (Enhanced Matte)
> 9600 - OEM inks - Canvas sepia, Hahnemuhle Photo Rag
> 9500 - WarmTone Piezotone - EAM (Archival Matte), Moab Canvas
> 7000 - WarmTone Piezotone with MIS FS black - Photo Rag
> 4000 - OEM - H. German Etching
> 2200 - MIS_UT - Ilford Smooth pearl, permaJet mus. classic, Epson 
Luster
> 2200 - OEM - Concorde Rag, Wells River, EEM, EAM, Velvet FA, 
G.Etching, 
>             P.Rag, Epson color Life, JetPrint Pro, Kodak Ultima, 
>             Oriental FB Glossy, Red River UltraPro, Lyson Pro Gloss
> 2200 - Lyson Daylight Darkroom inks - DD Gloss, DD Matt
> 
> 
> Depending on the set up profiles can be adapted to other printers 
with
> the same inks - such as 2200/OEM profiles can easily be used for 
> 7600/9600 machines as long as they are linearized, and vice versa.
> Likewise, one Hahnemuehle profile can easily be adapted to other H.
> papers by mostly linearizing.
> 
> 
> Antonis
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "joejx8" 
<joejx8@h...> wrote:
> 
> ..............
>  
> > - if I get this Windows XP Pre-release (=beta ?) version, will I 
be 
> > able to download further upgrade versions ?
> > 
> > - Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
> > 
> > - Is it possible to achieve very gradual color change with the 
> > IJC/OPM split toning method (ie via channel masks) as offered by 
the 

> > new XP version ?
> > 
> > - Which paper/ink profiles are available with this version ?

Thank you Peter !

The sourceforge web site (http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-
win32/) show newer versions (but no new release). Maybe a solution ...

Regards.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall 
<petermarshall@c...> wrote:
> 
> joejx8 wrote:
> 
> > - Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
> 
> It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which 
> reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I 
think 
> you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB 
printer.
> 
> libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it 
isn't 
> being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more 
reliable 

> information.
> 
> Regards
> 
> -- 
> Peter Marshall
> petermarshall@c...     +44 (0)1784 456474
> 31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK
> _________________________________________________________________
> My London Diary	              http://mylondondiary.co.uk/
> London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/
> The Buildings of London etc:  http://londonphotographs.co.uk/
> and elsewhere......

> - is IJC/OPM really a viable solution for somebody without a 
> densitometer

Well, my standard answer is that you can get by, but don't expect the
accuracy of the meter. I should try the two methods side by side before
I pass judgment - and I haven't. I will do it for this new PC version in the
near future and post my findings.




> - How long do you think it could take to build a correct UC 8 ink 
> profile (I own an epson 4000) from existing one assuming you've fully 
> read the manuals and have basic knowledge on curves ? few hours ? 
> more ?


I can only answer based on my 2200. In any case the 8th channel
is not being used since it has the second black. If you already have
a profile (and there are plenty for the 7-ink UC) it should be a matter
of an hour or less depending on what you are trying to do.

If you are just linearizing (which should easily adapt a 2200 profile
to the 4000) it should be under a half hour. If you are tweaking the
coloration (toning) it could be a few hours until you get something
you personally like. But that's not so much a function of the software
as it is a creative trial and error to see what works for the look you want.

The part that takes the longest is the tweaking of curves. But because
of the linearization engine, it can be pretty forgiving. You want to
bring it in so that it plots "close enough" and then lin takes over.
The major decisions that are made in the curves are things like
when should the next ink come in and what to do not to overload
the paper with ink and loose dmax or definition along the scale.
Or, how to use the color inks to tone the scale, etc.
If you are new, and starting from scratch,  those things can take 
a day or two to become familiar. But that should never be the
starting point for anyone new. Any of the existing profiles
will have these issues resolved - and that should be where you
start.

Still, I'd allow time to read the manual, play a little with the controls,
and then go to a real profile. It could be a day if you think of it
that way. On the other hand, once you get experienced, making
moves on a profile and repurposing it could be a matter of a
few minutes.


Antonis

Thank you so much for your answer. It helps a lot ! I'll follow your 
advices.

Best regards.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antonis" 
<antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
> 
> > - is IJC/OPM really a viable solution for somebody without a 
> > densitometer
> 
> Well, my standard answer is that you can get by, but don't expect 
the
> accuracy of the meter. I should try the two methods side by side 
before
> I pass judgment - and I haven't. I will do it for this new PC 
version in the
> near future and post my findings.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > - How long do you think it could take to build a correct UC 8 ink 
> > profile (I own an epson 4000) from existing one assuming you've 
fully 
> > read the manuals and have basic knowledge on curves ? few hours ? 
> > more ?
> 
> 
> I can only answer based on my 2200. In any case the 8th channel
> is not being used since it has the second black. If you already have
> a profile (and there are plenty for the 7-ink UC) it should be a 
matter
> of an hour or less depending on what you are trying to do.
> 
> If you are just linearizing (which should easily adapt a 2200 
profile
> to the 4000) it should be under a half hour. If you are tweaking the
> coloration (toning) it could be a few hours until you get something
> you personally like. But that's not so much a function of the 
software
> as it is a creative trial and error to see what works for the look 
you want.
> 
> The part that takes the longest is the tweaking of curves. But 
because
> of the linearization engine, it can be pretty forgiving. You want to
> bring it in so that it plots "close enough" and then lin takes over.
> The major decisions that are made in the curves are things like
> when should the next ink come in and what to do not to overload
> the paper with ink and loose dmax or definition along the scale.
> Or, how to use the color inks to tone the scale, etc.
> If you are new, and starting from scratch,  those things can take 
> a day or two to become familiar. But that should never be the
> starting point for anyone new. Any of the existing profiles
> will have these issues resolved - and that should be where you
> start.
> 
> Still, I'd allow time to read the manual, play a little with the 
controls,

> and then go to a real profile. It could be a day if you think of it
> that way. On the other hand, once you get experienced, making
> moves on a profile and repurposing it could be a matter of a
> few minutes.
> 
> 
> Antonis

On 1/4/05 3:51 PM, "joejx8" <joejx8@...> wrote:

Hello Joe,

My email is just back up...

I¹d to say Thank you to Antonis, who has been helping while I¹ve been in a
DSL nightmare.

I like to add..

With Linearizing with a scanner,  I¹d agree with Antonis, that either a
Spectrophotometer or a Densitometer will give you the most consistent
results.  When using a scanner, you have other factors that can interfere
with your results.  How you scan it, how you set your white and black point,
how much USM you use ect.

The way the  ³import scan² tool works, is once your print out an internally
generated Target ( target for linearization).   This you scan on a
reflective scanner, with no USM and not to clip either white point ( paper
white) or the Black point (step 26 max black).  This file you scan and in
IJC you open the file into the ³import scan for Linearization².  Once open,
you select the the 26 steps ( paper white to max black),  IJC will then
display the RGB values of the selected area.  These values are then used to
generate a linearization.

So the cleaner you scan, the more accurate the results.


Joe Berndt


> Thank you so much for your answer. It helps a lot ! I'll follow your
> advices.
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antonis"
> <antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
>> > 
>>> > > - is IJC/OPM really a viable solution for somebody without a
>>> > > densitometer
>> > 
>> > Well, my standard answer is that you can get by, but don't expect
> the
>> > accuracy of the meter. I should try the two methods side by side
> before
>> > I pass judgment - and I haven't. I will do it for this new PC
> version in the
>> > near future and post my findings.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>>> > > - How long do you think it could take to build a correct UC 8 ink
>>> > > profile (I own an epson 4000) from existing one assuming you've
> fully 
>>> > > read the manuals and have basic knowledge on curves ? few hours ?
>>> > > more ?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I can only answer based on my 2200. In any case the 8th channel
>> > is not being used since it has the second black. If you already have
>> > a profile (and there are plenty for the 7-ink UC) it should be a
> matter
>> > of an hour or less depending on what you are trying to do.
>> > 
>> > If you are just linearizing (which should easily adapt a 2200
> profile
>> > to the 4000) it should be under a half hour. If you are tweaking the
>> > coloration (toning) it could be a few hours until you get something
>> > you personally like. But that's not so much a function of the
> software
>> > as it is a creative trial and error to see what works for the look
> you want.
>> > 
>> > The part that takes the longest is the tweaking of curves. But
> because
>> > of the linearization engine, it can be pretty forgiving. You want to
>> > bring it in so that it plots "close enough" and then lin takes over.
>> > The major decisions that are made in the curves are things like
>> > when should the next ink come in and what to do not to overload
>> > the paper with ink and loose dmax or definition along the scale.
>> > Or, how to use the color inks to tone the scale, etc.
>> > If you are new, and starting from scratch,  those things can take
>> > a day or two to become familiar. But that should never be the
>> > starting point for anyone new. Any of the existing profiles
>> > will have these issues resolved - and that should be where you
>> > start.
>> > 
>> > Still, I'd allow time to read the manual, play a little with the
> controls,
>> > and then go to a real profile. It could be a day if you think of it
>> > that way. On the other hand, once you get experienced, making
>> > moves on a profile and repurposing it could be a matter of a
>> > few minutes.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Antonis
> 
> 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello,

We haven't fully tested on 2000 or 2000pro yet.

I haven't run into the same problems with LIBUSB under 2000pro.   We have
other issues that we¹re fixing, but not related to LIBUSB.  I do know that
LIBUSB is sensitive to running USB devices during install.  If you want to
try, remove all USB devices prior to installing LIBUSB.

Joe


On 1/4/05 2:44 PM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@...> wrote:

> 
> joejx8 wrote:
> 
>> > - Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
> 
> It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which
> reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I think
> you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB printer.
> 
> libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it isn't
> being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more reliable
> information.
> 
> Regards




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Joe,

My rather tentative conclusion was based just on a single machine, but 
your answer does suggest that LIBUSB is rather hardware-sensitive, at 
least on W2000.

Again my comment on XP was also based on a sample of one machine of the 
two I have running XP, and LIBUSB installed without any problem. It is 
however a machine with less USB devices connected - one of my next jobs 
is to move a printer there (or buy a new one), as I'd forgotten the USB 
printer I use from this machine is actually installed elsewhere on the 
network. XP prints to it without problems over a 100Mbps link, but 
IJC/OPM can't see it.

Regards,

Peter

Joe Berndt wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We haven't fully tested on 2000 or 2000pro yet.
> 
> I haven't run into the same problems with LIBUSB under 2000pro.   We have
> other issues that we\ufffdre fixing, but not related to LIBUSB.  I do know that
> LIBUSB is sensitive to running USB devices during install.  If you want to
> try, remove all USB devices prior to installing LIBUSB.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 1/4/05 2:44 PM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>joejx8 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>- Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
>>
>>It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which
>>reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I think
>>you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB printer.
>>
>>libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it isn't
>>being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more reliable
>>information.
>>
>>Regards
> 

-- 
Peter Marshall
petermarshall@...     +44 (0)1784 456474
31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK
_________________________________________________________________
My London Diary	              http://mylondondiary.co.uk/
London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/
The Buildings of London etc:  http://londonphotographs.co.uk/
and elsewhere......

I've been following the discussions on IJC/OPM, and have checked out the
Bowhaus site. I was begimmig to show some interest OPM until this particular
thread. I'm currently running my 2200 via Firewire. Doe this arrangement
precluse using OPM?

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Marshall [mailto:petermarshall@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:09 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to decide



Joe,

My rather tentative conclusion was based just on a single machine, but
your answer does suggest that LIBUSB is rather hardware-sensitive, at
least on W2000.

Again my comment on XP was also based on a sample of one machine of the
two I have running XP, and LIBUSB installed without any problem. It is
however a machine with less USB devices connected - one of my next jobs
is to move a printer there (or buy a new one), as I'd forgotten the USB
printer I use from this machine is actually installed elsewhere on the
network. XP prints to it without problems over a 100Mbps link, but
IJC/OPM can't see it.

Regards,

Peter

Joe Berndt wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We haven't fully tested on 2000 or 2000pro yet.
>
> I haven't run into the same problems with LIBUSB under 2000pro.   We have
> other issues that we\ufffdre fixing, but not related to LIBUSB.  I do know that
> LIBUSB is sensitive to running USB devices during install.  If you want to
> try, remove all USB devices prior to installing LIBUSB.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 1/4/05 2:44 PM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@...> wrote:
>
>
>>joejx8 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>- Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
>>
>>It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which
>>reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I think
>>you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB printer.
>>
>>libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it isn't
>>being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more reliable
>>information.
>>
>>Regards
>

--
Peter Marshall
petermarshall@...     +44 (0)1784 456474
31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK
_________________________________________________________________
My London Diary	              http://mylondondiary.co.uk/
London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/
The Buildings of London etc:  http://londonphotographs.co.uk/
and elsewhere......



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Hello Peter,
I don¹t want to imply that LIBUSB is problematic,  it isn¹t it¹s very
stable. It sometimes likes be installed while no USB devices are running,.
I¹ve never seen a problem with it.

If your printer on XP is connected over Ethernet with a USB link, the
current version of OPM won¹t see it.  OPM 1.0.0 will only work with a USB
printer either directly connected or on a hub.

Joe 



On 1/5/05 2:08 AM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@...> wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> My rather tentative conclusion was based just on a single machine, but
> your answer does suggest that LIBUSB is rather hardware-sensitive, at
> least on W2000.
> 
> Again my comment on XP was also based on a sample of one machine of the
> two I have running XP, and LIBUSB installed without any problem. It is
> however a machine with less USB devices connected - one of my next jobs
> is to move a printer there (or buy a new one), as I'd forgotten the USB
> printer I use from this machine is actually installed elsewhere on the
> network. XP prints to it without problems over a 100Mbps link, but
> IJC/OPM can't see it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter
> 
> Joe Berndt wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > 
>> > We haven't fully tested on 2000 or 2000pro yet.
>> > 
>> > I haven't run into the same problems with LIBUSB under 2000pro.   We have
>> > other issues that we¹re fixing, but not related to LIBUSB.  I do know that
>> > LIBUSB is sensitive to running USB devices during install.  If you want to
>> > try, remove all USB devices prior to installing LIBUSB.
>> > 
>> > Joe
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 1/4/05 2:44 PM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@...> wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>>> >>joejx8 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>- Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
>>> >>
>>> >>It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which
>>> >>reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I think
>>> >>you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB printer.
>>> >>
>>> >>libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it isn't
>>> >>being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more reliable
>>> >>information.
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards
>> > 




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Hello Bill,

Version 1.0.0 of OPM only supports a USB connection either direct or via a
USB hub.

I do know that on the larger printers( e.g. 9600) you can have multiple
connections to your printer, If you set the connection type to ³auto² the
printer will respond to what ever it receives a signal from.  I don¹t know
if you can also add a USB cable to your 2200 and have it auto sense.

Joe

On 1/5/05 5:00 AM, "Bill Cheadle" <wpcheadle@image-foto.com> wrote:

> I've been following the discussions on IJC/OPM, and have checked out the
> Bowhaus site. I was begimmig to show some interest OPM until this particular
> thread. I'm currently running my 2200 via Firewire. Doe this arrangement
> precluse using OPM?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Marshall [mailto:petermarshall@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:09 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to decide
> 
> 
> 
> Joe,
> 
> My rather tentative conclusion was based just on a single machine, but
> your answer does suggest that LIBUSB is rather hardware-sensitive, at
> least on W2000.
> 
> Again my comment on XP was also based on a sample of one machine of the
> two I have running XP, and LIBUSB installed without any problem. It is
> however a machine with less USB devices connected - one of my next jobs
> is to move a printer there (or buy a new one), as I'd forgotten the USB
> printer I use from this machine is actually installed elsewhere on the
> network. XP prints to it without problems over a 100Mbps link, but
> IJC/OPM can't see it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter
> 
> Joe Berndt wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > We haven't fully tested on 2000 or 2000pro yet.
>> >
>> > I haven't run into the same problems with LIBUSB under 2000pro.   We have
>> > other issues that we¹re fixing, but not related to LIBUSB.  I do know that
>> > LIBUSB is sensitive to running USB devices during install.  If you want to
>> > try, remove all USB devices prior to installing LIBUSB.
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/4/05 2:44 PM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>>> >>joejx8 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>- Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
>>> >>
>>> >>It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 which
>>> >>reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, so I think
>>> >>you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached USB printer.
>>> >>
>>> >>libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if it isn't
>>> >>being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more reliable
>>> >>information.
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards
>> >
> 
> --
> Peter Marshall
> petermarshall@...     +44 (0)1784 456474
> 31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK
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The 2100 (which I think is the same as the 2200) can be connected to 
USB and Parallel at the same time without problems so I don't see why 
USB and Firewire wouldn't work.

I have a stack of USB devices connected (3 printers, hub, card 
reader, scanner, graphics tablets and the LIBUSB worked OK but it did 
need a reboot before all the devices were working OK.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Joe Berndt 
<joeberndt@v...> wrote:
> Hello Bill,
> 
> Version 1.0.0 of OPM only supports a USB connection either direct 
or via a
> USB hub.
> 
> I do know that on the larger printers( e.g. 9600) you can have 
multiple
> connections to your printer, If you set the connection type to 
³auto² the
> printer will respond to what ever it receives a signal from.  I 
don¹t know
> if you can also add a USB cable to your 2200 and have it auto sense.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On 1/5/05 5:00 AM, "Bill Cheadle" <wpcheadle@i...> wrote:
> 
> > I've been following the discussions on IJC/OPM, and have checked 
out the
> > Bowhaus site. I was begimmig to show some interest OPM until this 
particular
> > thread. I'm currently running my 2200 via Firewire. Doe this 
arrangement
> > precluse using OPM?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Marshall [mailto:petermarshall@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:09 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to 
decide
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Joe,
> > 
> > My rather tentative conclusion was based just on a single 
machine, but
> > your answer does suggest that LIBUSB is rather hardware-
sensitive, at
> > least on W2000.
> > 
> > Again my comment on XP was also based on a sample of one machine 
of the
> > two I have running XP, and LIBUSB installed without any problem. 
It is
> > however a machine with less USB devices connected - one of my 
next jobs
> > is to move a printer there (or buy a new one), as I'd forgotten 
the USB
> > printer I use from this machine is actually installed elsewhere 
on the
> > network. XP prints to it without problems over a 100Mbps link, but
> > IJC/OPM can't see it.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > Joe Berndt wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > We haven't fully tested on 2000 or 2000pro yet.
> >> >
> >> > I haven't run into the same problems with LIBUSB under 
2000pro.   We have
> >> > other issues that we¹re fixing, but not related to LIBUSB.  I 
do know that
> >> > LIBUSB is sensitive to running USB devices during install.  If 
you want to
> >> > try, remove all USB devices prior to installing LIBUSB.
> >> >
> >> > Joe
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 1/4/05 2:44 PM, "Peter Marshall" <petermarshall@c...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>> >>joejx8 wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>>>> >>>>- Does IJC/OPM works on windows 2000 too ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>It requires you to install libusb-win32-filter-bin-0.1.8.0 
which
> >>> >>reliably crashes my W2000 Pro system both on install and use, 
so I think
> >>> >>you are likely to need an XP system with a directly attached 
USB printer.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>libusb-win32 is supposed to run on 2000, but it looks as if 
it isn't
> >>> >>being tested on it. However perhaps Joe Berndt will have more 
reliable
> >>> >>information.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Regards
> >> >
> > 
> > --
> > Peter Marshall
> > petermarshall@c...     +44 (0)1784 456474
> > 31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > My London Diary                    http://mylondondiary.co.uk/
> > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/
> > The Buildings of London etc:  http://londonphotographs.co.uk/
> > and elsewhere......
> > 
> > 
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Joe,

Per your postings, I see that you follow this forum so I will post an 
opinion, here; though public, I seem to be unable to reach Bowhaus via 
private e-mail. Please understand that I do not mean to pontificate negative 
comments vis-a-vis Bowhaus, but I just thought you should be aware of the 
feelings of someone who was a potential Bowhaus customer.

Following your post regarding the pre-release pricing for the first version 
of IJC/OPM, I attempted to get in touch with your company for days before we 
all became aware of your DSL issues. I, as well as others on this forum, had 
quite a few questions I/we wanted answered before making a purchase 
decision. I guess all my e-mails were lost because, to date, I've heard 
nothing! Antonis was very gracious with his knowledge, but I can not justify 
the purchase of IJC/OPM based solely on one person's opinion; albeit a very 
knowledgeable opinion.

I, for one, think that your very short timeframe for taking advantage of the 
pre-release offer is ridiculous; especially given the fact that no one could 
communicate with the company for several days! And, once you announced that 
Bowhaus was "back on the air" no mention that today's deadline might be / 
would be extended. Well, sir, you have lost me as a customer! You have 
probably lost a few other potential customers on this forum, too. I've been 
in the computer industry since its infancy, and seen the rise of the desktop 
and all that it has to offer. But, I remain mystified how most software 
companies even stay in business--yes, even the giant of 'em all: Microsoft! 
<Rant over...strolling across the room to cuddle up to my Mac>

Regards,
Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Berndt" <joeberndt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to decide



Hello Bill,

Version 1.0.0 of OPM only supports a USB connection either direct or via a
USB hub.

I do know that on the larger printers( e.g. 9600) you can have multiple
connections to your printer, If you set the connection type to \ufffdauto\ufffd the
printer will respond to what ever it receives a signal from.  I don\ufffdt know
if you can also add a USB cable to your 2200 and have it auto sense.

Joe

Dear Alan,

Frankly, I've been bewildered by your posts on this board regarding
receiving no email response from me to your inquiries.

I've emailed you twice, and my business partner Charles James emailed you
once.  Have you not received our emails?  We have been "replying" to your
email address ending with -      USA.com

Please check your mail and correct your statements on this board regarding a
lack of response from BowHaus, or at least post my 300+ word email to you
from Jan 4, 2005.

Joe


On 1/5/05 12:51 PM, "A. Huntley" <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Per your postings, I see that you follow this forum so I will post an
> opinion, here; though public, I seem to be unable to reach Bowhaus via
> private e-mail. Please understand that I do not mean to pontificate negative
> comments vis-a-vis Bowhaus, but I just thought you should be aware of the
> feelings of someone who was a potential Bowhaus customer.
> 
> Following your post regarding the pre-release pricing for the first version
> of IJC/OPM, I attempted to get in touch with your company for days before we
> all became aware of your DSL issues. I, as well as others on this forum, had
> quite a few questions I/we wanted answered before making a purchase
> decision. I guess all my e-mails were lost because, to date, I've heard
> nothing! Antonis was very gracious with his knowledge, but I can not justify
> the purchase of IJC/OPM based solely on one person's opinion; albeit a very
> knowledgeable opinion.
> 
> I, for one, think that your very short timeframe for taking advantage of the
> pre-release offer is ridiculous; especially given the fact that no one could
> communicate with the company for several days! And, once you announced that
> Bowhaus was "back on the air" no mention that today's deadline might be /
> would be extended. Well, sir, you have lost me as a customer! You have
> probably lost a few other potential customers on this forum, too. I've been
> in the computer industry since its infancy, and seen the rise of the desktop
> and all that it has to offer. But, I remain mystified how most software
> companies even stay in business--yes, even the giant of 'em all: Microsoft!
> <Rant over...strolling across the room to cuddle up to my Mac>
> 
> Regards,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Berndt" <joeberndt@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to decide
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Bill,
> 
> Version 1.0.0 of OPM only supports a USB connection either direct or via a
> USB hub.
> 
> I do know that on the larger printers( e.g. 9600) you can have multiple
> connections to your printer, If you set the connection type to ³auto² the
> printer will respond to what ever it receives a signal from.  I don¹t know
> if you can also add a USB cable to your 2200 and have it auto sense.
> 
> Joe 
> 
> 
> 
> 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Joe,

I run in the same problem as Alan. Can you please clarify which email 
address should be used to get information about your product, and 
which email address should be used to get support once you're a 
customer.

Thanks !


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Joe Berndt 
<joeberndt@v...> wrote:
> Dear Alan,
> 
> Frankly, I've been bewildered by your posts on this board regarding
> receiving no email response from me to your inquiries.
> 
> I've emailed you twice, and my business partner Charles James 
emailed you
> once.  Have you not received our emails?  We have been "replying" 
to your
> email address ending with -      USA.com
> 
> Please check your mail and correct your statements on this board 
regarding a
> lack of response from BowHaus, or at least post my 300+ word email 
to you
> from Jan 4, 2005.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 1/5/05 12:51 PM, "A. Huntley" <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> 
> > Joe,
> > 
> > Per your postings, I see that you follow this forum so I will 
post an
> > opinion, here; though public, I seem to be unable to reach 
Bowhaus via
> > private e-mail. Please understand that I do not mean to 
pontificate negative
> > comments vis-a-vis Bowhaus, but I just thought you should be 
aware of the
> > feelings of someone who was a potential Bowhaus customer.
> > 
> > Following your post regarding the pre-release pricing for the 
first version
> > of IJC/OPM, I attempted to get in touch with your company for 
days before we
> > all became aware of your DSL issues. I, as well as others on this 
forum, had
> > quite a few questions I/we wanted answered before making a 
purchase
> > decision. I guess all my e-mails were lost because, to date, I've 
heard
> > nothing! Antonis was very gracious with his knowledge, but I can 
not justify
> > the purchase of IJC/OPM based solely on one person's opinion; 
albeit a very
> > knowledgeable opinion.
> > 
> > I, for one, think that your very short timeframe for taking 
advantage of the
> > pre-release offer is ridiculous; especially given the fact that 
no one could
> > communicate with the company for several days! And, once you 
announced that
> > Bowhaus was "back on the air" no mention that today's deadline 
might be /
> > would be extended. Well, sir, you have lost me as a customer! You 
have
> > probably lost a few other potential customers on this forum, too. 
I've been
> > in the computer industry since its infancy, and seen the rise of 
the desktop
> > and all that it has to offer. But, I remain mystified how most 
software
> > companies even stay in business--yes, even the giant of 'em all: 
Microsoft!
> > <Rant over...strolling across the room to cuddle up to my Mac>
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Alan Huntley
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Berndt" <joeberndt@v...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to 
decide
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Bill,
> > 
> > Version 1.0.0 of OPM only supports a USB connection either direct 
or via a
> > USB hub.
> > 
> > I do know that on the larger printers( e.g. 9600) you can have 
multiple
> > connections to your printer, If you set the connection type to 
³auto² the
> > printer will respond to what ever it receives a signal from.  I 
don¹t know
> > if you can also add a USB cable to your 2200 and have it auto 
sense.

> > 
> > Joe 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Joe,

Have the e-mails you've sent bounced back? The address ending in usa.com is 
my work e-mail address and I have not heard of any server problems, nor had 
any problems with receiving/sending e-mails to other people outside our 
company. Seems strange that only Bowhaus is having a problem reaching me.

I don't need to check my e-mail! I am very active with e-mail all day long 
and, also, am notified of any new messages. I have received NONE from 
Bowhaus. However, if you say they were sent I believe you. I would very much 
appreciate it if you would forward your 300+ word message to my home 
address: Alan.Huntley@.... I'm open to learning more about IJC/OPM; just 
too late to take advantage of the pre-release offer.

However, I do take some offense to your intimation that I have, in fact, 
received responses from Bowhaus, don't know how to work e-mail, and, 
apparently, have some vendetta against Bowhaus on this board. I implore you 
to review other posts, dear sir. I am not the only one who did not receive 
responses to recent inquiries.

Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Berndt" <joeberndt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to decide



Dear Alan,

Frankly, I've been bewildered by your posts on this board regarding
receiving no email response from me to your inquiries.

I've emailed you twice, and my business partner Charles James emailed you
once.  Have you not received our emails?  We have been "replying" to your
email address ending with -      USA.com

Please check your mail and correct your statements on this board regarding a
lack of response from BowHaus, or at least post my 300+ word email to you
from Jan 4, 2005.

Joe


On 1/5/05 12:51 PM, "A. Huntley" <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Per your postings, I see that you follow this forum so I will post an
> opinion, here; though public, I seem to be unable to reach Bowhaus via
> private e-mail. Please understand that I do not mean to pontificate 
> negative
> comments vis-a-vis Bowhaus, but I just thought you should be aware of the
> feelings of someone who was a potential Bowhaus customer.
>
> Following your post regarding the pre-release pricing for the first 
> version
> of IJC/OPM, I attempted to get in touch with your company for days before 
> we
> all became aware of your DSL issues. I, as well as others on this forum, 
> had
> quite a few questions I/we wanted answered before making a purchase
> decision. I guess all my e-mails were lost because, to date, I've heard
> nothing! Antonis was very gracious with his knowledge, but I can not 
> justify
> the purchase of IJC/OPM based solely on one person's opinion; albeit a 
> very
> knowledgeable opinion.
>
> I, for one, think that your very short timeframe for taking advantage of 
> the
> pre-release offer is ridiculous; especially given the fact that no one 
> could
> communicate with the company for several days! And, once you announced 
> that
> Bowhaus was "back on the air" no mention that today's deadline might be /
> would be extended. Well, sir, you have lost me as a customer! You have
> probably lost a few other potential customers on this forum, too. I've 
> been
> in the computer industry since its infancy, and seen the rise of the 
> desktop
> and all that it has to offer. But, I remain mystified how most software
> companies even stay in business--yes, even the giant of 'em all: 
> Microsoft!
> <Rant over...strolling across the room to cuddle up to my Mac>
>
> Regards,
> Alan Huntley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Berndt" <joeberndt@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/ OPM_windows some more questions to decide
>
>
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Version 1.0.0 of OPM only supports a USB connection either direct or via a
> USB hub.
>
> I do know that on the larger printers( e.g. 9600) you can have multiple
> connections to your printer, If you set the connection type to \ufffdauto\ufffd the
> printer will respond to what ever it receives a signal from.  I don\ufffdt know
> if you can also add a USB cable to your 2200 and have it auto sense.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, 
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND 
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY 
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.

Yahoo! Groups Links

Hello Joe,

Please email software@... for with both informational and technical
questions.

Thank you.

Joe


On 1/5/05 3:38 PM, "joejx8" <joejx8@...> wrote:

> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> I run in the same problem as Alan. Can you please clarify which email
> address should be used to get information about your product, and
> which email address should be used to get support once you're a
> customer.
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> 
> 




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I've found Joe Berndt (Bowhaus) both prompt and helpful in his 
replies both via e-mail and on this board.