Digital BW, The Print

Lyson has Quad Black inks for the Canon S900/S9000 since september (http://www.lyson.com/products/quadblackframe.html). Did anyone try them? With which paper?

And did anyone find them in the US? I could not find them on my usual ink e-tailers.

Thanks,

Richard

Who out there is using these with just the epson driver?

How do you find the output?

Also, how would you describe the colour/warmth on the likes of EAM or Photo
Rag (compared to say the originals MIS quads or one of the setting for the
MIS VM inks).

I'm using the VM inks right now, but I'm looking at these again...

thanks

tim a

Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 5:32:29 PM, Tim Atherton wrote:

TA> Who out there is using these with just the epson driver?

TA> How do you find the output?

I love it.  I use the MIS FS-N inks with an 1160.  I have the Piezo
driver and it used to do a nice job as well.  Then I started getting
very obvious banding in the mid-tones.  Using the Epson driver and
Randall curves I have no banding and actually darker blacks.  I print
on EAM, Photo Rag and Bright Cube Satin.

TA> Also, how would you describe the colour/warmth on the likes of EAM or Photo
TA> Rag (compared to say the originals MIS quads or one of the setting for the
TA> MIS VM inks).

I cannot compare as I never used the original MIS inks.  Used the MIS
FS though and they too were great, just warmer.


Best regards,
 Richard  

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okay - and what's the opinions on the FS Quads and the FS Neutral Quads...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Atherton [mailto:tim@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:32 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] MIS FS Quadtones
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> Who out there is using these with just the epson driver?
>
> How do you find the output?
>
> Also, how would you describe the colour/warmth on the likes of
> EAM or Photo
> Rag (compared to say the originals MIS quads or one of the setting for the
> MIS VM inks).
>
> I'm using the VM inks right now, but I'm looking at these again...
>
> thanks
>
> tim a
>
>
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Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 8:23:08 PM, Tim Atherton wrote:

TA> okay - and what's the opinions on the FS Quads and the FS Neutral Quads...


I found the FS a little too warm.  Not very warm but too warm.  By
this I mean when I want warm I REALLY want warm, almost sepia.  And to
me the FS was somewhere in between neutral and sepia. However, they do
warm a bit more if left exposed after a month or two.

The FS-N is more neutral but many think a bit too cool. I personally
do not see it as cool at all but almost pure neutral, unless I look at
it side by side with FS. People's perception and eyes vary too though.

Best regards,
 Richard  

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L i n k s  t o  m y  g a l l e r i e s:
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Atherton" <tim@k...> 
wrote:
> Who out there is using these with just the epson driver?
> 
> How do you find the output?
> 
> Also, how would you describe the colour/warmth on the likes of EAM 
or Photo
> Rag (compared to say the originals MIS quads or one of the setting 
for the
> MIS VM inks).
> 
> I'm using the VM inks right now, but I'm looking at these again...
> 
> thanks
> 
> tim a

Tim,

I use MIS FS Neutral inks set with Jeff curves and Epson driver (on a 
1160): the results are quite good in terms of neutrality.

But, since I bought two years ago the Piezo driver (with inks that I 
never used because of their strong warm tones), I gave it a try 
recently with the MIS FS Neutral inks: the transitions in the mid 
tones are smoother (but you must accept little micro banding) and as 
a general impression, the print is "richer" than the one obtained 
through Jeff curves and Epson driver.

My only concern with PiezographyBW driver is the very strong "S" 
curve to apply to the picture in order to obtain decent blacks: the 
result is usually a poor histogram.

JM Humbert
Paris, France

--- Tim Atherton <tim@...> wrote:
> Who out there is using these with just the epson
> driver?
> 
> How do you find the output?
> 
> Also, how would you describe the colour/warmth on
> the likes of EAM or Photo
> Rag (compared to say the originals MIS quads or one
> of the setting for the
> MIS VM inks).
> 
> I'm using the VM inks right now, but I'm looking at
> these again...

I don't have any experience with the original MIS Quad
inks, but FS inks print well with either the Wolfe
curve or Jeff Randall's curve (I prefer the Randall
workflow).

However, prints were just too green out of the printer
in tungsten light.  They do warm over time (yellowish
brown).  At present, I am mixing FSN and FS inks
(60-40) and find that the prints look much better out
of the printer (read:  no green prints).  I got the
mixing idea from a Martin Wesley post, though I
believe he suggests a higher ratio to compensate for
the FS warming.  

To date, I have not noticed the extreme warming with
this combination that I had with straight FS.  But it
could be TETT (to early to tell).

By the way, Tim, are you considering changing inks or
setting up two different printers.

Thom

Thursday, November 7, 2002, 2:34:32 AM, Jean-Marc Humbert wrote:

JMH> I use MIS FS Neutral inks set with Jeff curves and Epson driver (on a 
JMH> 1160): the results are quite good in terms of neutrality.

JMH> But, since I bought two years ago the Piezo driver (with inks that I 
JMH> never used because of their strong warm tones), I gave it a try 
JMH> recently with the MIS FS Neutral inks: the transitions in the mid 
JMH> tones are smoother (but you must accept little micro banding) 


I would heartily agree with this. The midtones, upon very close
inspection, are smoother with the Piezo driver than the Randall curve
with Epson driver. But when viewed at normal viewing distance the
smoothness of the mid-tones from the Randall curve is a non-issue I
think, as it not noticeable, while the banding from the Piezo driver
is still visible and more prominent. I still use the Piezo driver from
time to time depending on the image, but if there are large mid-tone
areas, perhaps in skies, for example, forget it! Banding everywhere!

Best regards,
 Richard  

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> By the way, Tim, are you considering changing inks or
> setting up two different printers.
>

Changing inks. As much as I like the VM set - the variability is great -
I've never quite been able to solve the blown out highlights problem

Have you tried applying the S curve to a 16-bit file and then printing that
with the Piezo software?

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> My only concern with PiezographyBW driver is the very strong "S"
> curve to apply to the picture in order to obtain decent blacks: the
> result is usually a poor histogram.
> 
> JM Humbert
> Paris, France