Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here?
2017-06-11 by rdeloe1@...
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2017-06-12 by Steven Blutter
I picked up a lightly used 3880 for the inevitable. and there was a court ruling FOR 3rd party ink suppliers We'll see. Also, be sure to clean & service your current printer! Steven Blutter 6334 N. Sheridan Rd., #7F Chicago, IL 60660 Tel: 773-262-5200 (Land line, no text) Fax: 888-955-1616 <mailto:sblutter1@...> sblutter1@... <http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/> http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/ NPN# 2518791
2017-06-12 by David Kachel
I don’t know what’s inevitable, nor what court ruling to which you refer. If this is some sort of doomsday announcement, please provide a link. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs WEBSITE: www.davidkachel.com BLOG: thetransparentphotographer.com EMAIL: david@... PO Box 1093 Bisbee, AZ 85603 (520) 366-4181
From: "'Steven Blutter' sblutter1@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:32 AM To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here? I picked up a lightly used 3880 for the inevitable… and there was a court ruling FOR 3rd party ink suppliers We’ll see… Also, be sure to clean & service your current printer! Steven Blutter 6334 N. Sheridan Rd., #7F Chicago, IL 60660 Tel: 773-262-5200 (Land line, no text) Fax: 888-955-1616 sblutter1@... <mailto:sblutter1@...> http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/ <http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/> NPN# 2518791
2017-06-12 by Keith Schreiber
The inevitable is that every printer will fail someday. The case referred to is Impression Products, Inc. v. Lexmark International, Inc. Here are a few links: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1189_ebfj.pdf http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc/ https://www.eff.org/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." ~ Samuel Beckett
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:53 PM, David Kachel david@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I don’t know what’s inevitable, nor what court ruling to which you refer. > If this is some sort of doomsday announcement, please provide a link. > > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > WEBSITE: www.davidkachel.com <http://www.davidkachel.com/> > BLOG: thetransparentphotographer.com <http://thetransparentphotographer.com/> > EMAIL: david@... <mailto:david@...> > > PO Box 1093 > Bisbee, AZ 85603 > (520) 366-4181 > > From: "'Steven Blutter' sblutter1@... <mailto:sblutter1@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> > Date: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:32 AM > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here? > > > > I picked up a lightly used 3880 for the inevitable… and there was a court ruling FOR 3rd party ink suppliers > > > > We’ll see… > > > > Also, be sure to clean & service your current printer! > > > > > > Steven Blutter > 6334 N. Sheridan Rd., #7F > Chicago, IL 60660 > > Tel: 773-262-5200 (Land line, no text) > Fax: 888-955-1616 > > sblutter1@... <mailto:sblutter1@...> > http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/ <http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/> > NPN# 2518791 > > > > > >
2017-06-12 by Keith Schreiber
The inevitable is that every printer will fail someday. The case referred to is Impression Products, Inc. v. Lexmark International, Inc. Here are a few links: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1189_ebfj.pdf <https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1189_ebfj.pdf> http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc/ <http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc/> https://www.eff.org/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc <https://www.eff.org/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc> "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." ~ Samuel Beckett
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:53 PM, David Kachel david@... <mailto:david@davidkachel.com> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > > I don’t know what’s inevitable, nor what court ruling to which you refer. > If this is some sort of doomsday announcement, please provide a link. > > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > WEBSITE: www.davidkachel.com <http://www.davidkachel.com/> > BLOG: thetransparentphotographer.com <http://thetransparentphotographer.com/> > EMAIL: david@... <mailto:david@davidkachel.com> > > PO Box 1093 > Bisbee, AZ 85603 > (520) 366-4181 > > From: "'Steven Blutter' sblutter1@... <mailto:sblutter1@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> > Date: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:32 AM > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here? > > > > I picked up a lightly used 3880 for the inevitable… and there was a court ruling FOR 3rd party ink suppliers > > > > We’ll see… > > > > Also, be sure to clean & service your current printer! > > > > > > Steven Blutter > 6334 N. Sheridan Rd., #7F > Chicago, IL 60660 > > Tel: 773-262-5200 (Land line, no text) > Fax: 888-955-1616 > > sblutter1@... <mailto:sblutter1@yahoo.com> > http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/ <http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/> > NPN# 2518791 > > > > > >
2017-06-12 by Jacques Caron
My two bits : 1- If you buy a product and put some "other"inks in it, its perfectly normal that the maker will not support the product. 2- If you put whatever inks in it and are perfectly informed that there is no more "guarantee" for the product, you are the owner after all (Remember that you bought it!). 3-If the company is "giving away" the printer so it can make money on the consumables, that's a way of doing business. The company's choice! 4-If the company is making it impossible to use whatever consumables you want, the product they make should be avoided. The company is already working great on planned obsolescence anyways! I'm a proud owner of a 1430 with 3rd party inks in it (B&W only) and since I'm not making any prints larger than 13x19, it's great. Epson is pretty good on "planned obsolescence"! Jacques Caron Photographe jacques.caron@... Le 2017-06-12 à 17:31, "Keith Schreiber keith@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> > The inevitable is that every printer will fail someday. > > The case referred to is Impression Products, Inc. v. Lexmark International, Inc. Here are a few links: > https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1189_ebfj.pdf > http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc/ > https://www.eff.org/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc > > > "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." > ~ Samuel Beckett > > > >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:53 PM, David Kachel david@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> I don’t know what’s inevitable, nor what court ruling to which you refer. >> If this is some sort of doomsday announcement, please provide a link. >> >> >> David Kachel >> >> ___________________ >> >> Artist-Photographer >> Fine B&W Photographs >> >> WEBSITE: www.davidkachel.com >> BLOG: thetransparentphotographer.com >> EMAIL: david@... >> >> PO Box 1093 >> Bisbee, AZ 85603 >> (520) 366-4181 >> >> From: "'Steven Blutter' sblutter1@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:32 AM >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here? >> >> >> >> I picked up a lightly used 3880 for the inevitable… and there was a court ruling FOR 3rd party ink suppliers >> >> >> >> We’ll see… >> >> >> >> Also, be sure to clean & service your current printer! >> >> >> >> >> >> Steven Blutter >> 6334 N. Sheridan Rd., #7F >> Chicago, IL 60660 >> >> Tel: 773-262-5200 (Land line, no text) >> Fax: 888-955-1616 >> >> sblutter1@... >> >> http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/ >> >> NPN# 2518791 >> >> >> >> >> > > >
2017-06-13 by Dr. Elliot Puritz
I think Keith is entirely correct. Some dedicated Piezography users have already “mothballed” 3800 printers for use when their current 3800 printers are no longer usable or repairable. There must come a time when Epson will no longer have spare parts for older printers and thus those seeking to repair their printers will be forced to pay high prices for printers merely for the parts. One hopes and suspects that Walker and the Cones understand that the future of Piezography in all of its iterations depends upon our ability to use the newer Epson printers with refillable carts. Now that the courts have rendered their opinion I am very optimistic that a solution will be found. Hope all if fine with you David. Elliot
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 5:32 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here? The inevitable is that every printer will fail someday. The case referred to is Impression Products, Inc. v. Lexmark International, Inc. Here are a few links: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1189_ebfj.pdf http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc/ https://www.eff.org/cases/impression-products-inc-v-lexmark-international-inc "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." ~ Samuel Beckett On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:53 PM, David Kachel david@... <mailto:david@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: I don’t know what’s inevitable, nor what court ruling to which you refer. If this is some sort of doomsday announcement, please provide a link. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs WEBSITE: www.davidkachel.com <http://www.davidkachel.com/> BLOG: thetransparentphotographer.com <http://thetransparentphotographer.com/> EMAIL: david@... <mailto:david@...> PO Box 1093 Bisbee, AZ 85603 (520) 366-4181 From: "'Steven Blutter' sblutter1@... <mailto:sblutter1@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:32 AM To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson P800 blocks refilling: where do we go from here? I picked up a lightly used 3880 for the inevitable… and there was a court ruling FOR 3rd party ink suppliers We’ll see… Also, be sure to clean & service your current printer! Steven Blutter 6334 N. Sheridan Rd., #7F Chicago, IL 60660 Tel: 773-262-5200 (Land line, no text) Fax: 888-955-1616 <mailto:sblutter1@...> sblutter1@... <http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/> http://www.sblutter.com/insurance/ NPN# 2518791 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2017-06-13 by rdeloe1@...
2017-06-13 by Keith Schreiber
Rob, Sorry, I was responding to David. If I was you I'd get a refurbished 3880, especially if you'll be running 3rd party inks. I have 2 3880s, one with Cone K7 inks, the other with OEM Color inks. Both rarely even need a simple cleaning cycle. https://epson.com/Clearance-Center/Wide-Format-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880---Refurbished/p/CA61201-VM-N $700, includes a full set of inks that would cost around $500 alone if I remember right. I'm confident the P series refillable cartridge issue will be cracked eventually, since they are already unlocked in Europe and Asia. InkjetMall says: The Epson SC P-800 printer can not be used with 3rd party cartridges in the USA. 3rd party carts can be installed and used temporarily until the first auto-reset occurs. At that instance, the USA version Epson SC P-800 will permanently lock out its owner from any further 3rd party cart use. It is not reversible. SC P-800 printers in Europe and Asia are unlocked. We recommend that if you wish to use your own choice of consumables with this printer model that you import an EU or Asia version model and use a power transformer to convert from 115v to 240v. But the only advantage I see for the P800 over the 3880 for use with 3rd party inks is the optional roll media feeder if that is something that is of value to you. It's not to me. I'm very happy with my 3880s. Cheers, Keith Keith Schreiber jkschreiber.com
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM, rdeloe1@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I understand that Epson can do whatever it wants. If it wants to prevent people from using any ink but its inks, that's fine, and I'll vote with my wallet (i.e., not buy Epson!) > > But... the question I posed originally remains: what are people actually doing? What are some options for those of us who want to print 17" wide using a monochrome inkset (Paul's or Jon's)? > > This question is actually not academic for me. I have been offered a used 3880 that I could buy, clean, and store for the future (parts, or a replacement to my current working printer). The catch is the seller has indicated that it throws up the dreaded 150C error. That's a hardware error. Some people on the Internet describe it as a fatal flaw (so buying the printer would be silly, except for parts). Other people say it's a glitch you can work around because it's not actually a hardware fault (in which case I should buy the thing for sure!) > > All advice welcome! > Rob de Loe > www.robdeloephotography.com <http://www.robdeloephotography.com/> >
2017-06-13 by Paul Roark
I understand that Epson can do whatever it wants. If it wants to prevent people from using any ink but its inks, that's fine,
...
But... the question I posed originally remains: what are people actually doing?
What are some options for those of us who want to print 17" wide using a monochrome inkset (Paul's or Jon's)?
2017-06-13 by Keith Schreiber
Hi Rob, Regarding the 150C error, the Service Manual says: PG Phase Detection Error. The Platen Gap Home Position Sensor does not report to the Main Board. Check operation of the Platen Gap Mechanism. Check Platen Gap Home Position Sensor. Check the Platen Gap Motor. Hope that is helpful. Sorry I don't know any more about it. Cheers, Keith Keith Schreiber jkschreiber.com
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM, rdeloe1@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I understand that Epson can do whatever it wants. If it wants to prevent people from using any ink but its inks, that's fine, and I'll vote with my wallet (i.e., not buy Epson!) > > But... the question I posed originally remains: what are people actually doing? What are some options for those of us who want to print 17" wide using a monochrome inkset (Paul's or Jon's)? > > This question is actually not academic for me. I have been offered a used 3880 that I could buy, clean, and store for the future (parts, or a replacement to my current working printer). The catch is the seller has indicated that it throws up the dreaded 150C error. That's a hardware error. Some people on the Internet describe it as a fatal flaw (so buying the printer would be silly, except for parts). Other people say it's a glitch you can work around because it's not actually a hardware fault (in which case I should buy the thing for sure!) > > All advice welcome! > Rob de Loe > www.robdeloephotography.com <http://www.robdeloephotography.com/> >
2017-06-13 by David Kachel
2017-06-13 by rdeloe1@...
2017-06-13 by Paul Roark
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions folks.
Paul, I hope that your legal perspective proves correct. I expect it would take a law suit, but waiting for that to happen is chancy. As I understand it the P800 lock down is limited to the US, so buying a European P800 is an option for some of us (albeit an awkward one if you live in North America).
The 3880 I was after (the one with the 150C error) has sold already but a search this morning of the classifieds shows several reasonably priced options that don';t seem to have similar problems. Getting one of those, cleaning it up, and putting it in storage seems to be the way to go.
2017-06-13 by Brian Parkhurst
I've an SC800 and am nearing the end of a second set of Epson inks. I've just bought a set of Marrutt's refills. I'm due to replace several inks as I print my next exhibition. I'll report back. As my work is archival and tours for up to four years, a long life is essential. Previous prints on Marrutt's Lyson stock have proved good over the last decade alongside K series inks that still look good compared with archival selenium toned, bromide and chlorobromide prints made between 1965 and 2005 Sent from my iPad
> On 13 Jun 2017, at 2:06 pm, rdeloe1@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the ideas and suggestions folks. > > Paul, I hope that your legal perspective proves correct. I expect it would take a law suit, but waiting for that to happen is chancy. As I understand it the P800 lock down is limited to the US, so buying a European P800 is an option for some of us (albeit an awkward one if you live in North America). > > The 3880 I was after (the one with the 150C error) has sold already but a search this morning of the classifieds shows several reasonably priced options that don't seem to have similar problems. Getting one of those, cleaning it up, and putting it in storage seems to be the way to go. > >
2017-06-14 by David Kachel
2017-06-14 by jon@...
2017-06-14 by rdeloe1@...