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Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-12 by Clayton Price

As I wrote the other day, while I'm not sure about selling a printer on the yahoo site, our national site used to 
have a great set up for discussions, another for buying and selling equipment, and lots more!  This is what
I think would be very useful for all of us, not to mention that much more communication would start to happen
within ASMP, which is would be terrific.  There's so little of that for the past number of years, it's a bit difficult
to remember how terrific and useful this organization used to be!

I don't quite understand why some people want us to move from Yahoo to some other group that exists primarily
for the owners or producers.  We have a sophisticated site that can handle our needs very well, and additionally
can help us extend our professional friendships.  Isn't that what we're supposed to be about?

Best regards,

Clay Price - NYC Life Member 
cpricephoto@gmail.com

Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-13 by donsbryant@...

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I don't quite understand why some people want us to move from Yahoo to some other group
>

Group.io is superior to Yahoo in everyway as Yahoo exists today.

Yahoo groups has been going downhill for several years.


Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-13 by paulmwhiting@...

@donbga: I've looked at group.io and I agree with you. I found it to have a more user-friendly interface. The main concern about leaving Yahoo is that there has to be some way of preserving the many excellent posts here. groups.io has a wide format group that apparently was able to save all their valuable tips however.

Paul

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-13 by Mark Savoia

I will chime in. I was the one who setup the EpsonWideFormat Group with groups.io <http://groups.io/>

Yes, everything gets transferred over by groups.io <http://groups.io/> . It takes a few days and you can keep this group going until complete. It is certainly a better choice over Yahoo Groups, everyone is happy with it.

Mark
Co-moderator EpsonWideFormat
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> @donbga: I've looked at group.io <http://group.io/> and I agree with you. I found it to have a more user-friendly interface. The main concern about leaving Yahoo is that there has to be some way of preserving the many excellent posts here. groups.io <http://groups.io/> has a wide format group that apparently was able to save all their valuable tips however.
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-13 by Jim Bechtel

If I may.. please..  It's a bit bigger than what's on the surface.. As a
user you only see what you see but what you can't see is what goes on in the
background. I'm not trying to knock Yahoo.. so that is not what it's about
ok?  I have test groups set up now on both Google and Groups.io.. So I get
to see what is possible.. What I can tell you is that real support or
problem solving on Yahoo is a total joke when requested by either users or
by group administrators..  It's actually funny ..except that it's got to be
a brutal reality for those that try to run or manage the group.

 

So what I'm trying to say is if you're a Yahoo fan then maybe step up and do
the work. How hard are you willing to do that for free. Mark has worked his
ass off for us.. plus a few I'm sure that I don't know who they are.. 

 

What I'm struggling with is actually quite simple. Why would anyone promote
a continuance of a situation that is potentially marginal and has limited
abilities to really control the deliverable.. RU that naive..?  Do you not
care about the people that sponsor and work at this for free to help us
continue our interactions and sharing.. So frankly I suggest step up or
humble up.. 

 

I'm not trying in any way to promote a bail out of Yahoo .Simply put what I
am suggesting is that we need to listen to those that run our groups and try
to make it work for them.. Plus they know 5X more than we do about what it
really takes.. They are the ones that stepped up to serve us.. We need to
respect and honor that.. So I think we need to listen.. and maybe maybe step
up a tad as I'm sure they would appreciate the help..

 

jimbo
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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:43 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

 

  

I will chime in. I was the one who setup the EpsonWideFormat Group with
groups.io

 

Yes, everything gets transferred over by groups.io . It takes a few days and
you can keep this group going until complete. It is certainly a better
choice over Yahoo Groups, everyone is happy with it.

 

Mark
Co-moderator EpsonWideFormat

 

On Oct 13, 2016, at 1:27 PM, paulmwhiting@...
[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



@donbga: I've looked at  <http://group.io/> group.io and I agree with you. I
found it to have a more user-friendly interface. The main concern about
leaving Yahoo is that there has to be some way of preserving the many
excellent posts here.  <http://groups.io/> groups.io has a wide format group
that apparently was able to save all their valuable tips however.

Paul 




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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-14 by John Castronovo

The fact is that the wheels have been coming off at Yahoo for some time and 
now that Verizon bought them, there's a good chance that features like 
groups might not continue unchanged, or maybe at all. Aside from Yahoo's 
shares in Alibaba, Verizon is only interested in combining their AOL and 
Yahoo members so they can be data mined and marketed to advertisers, and 
groups barely play a part in that.

The transition to groups.io has been seamless and a positive step where I've 
seen it take place. So why not do it? I also have a serious issue with 
Verizon politically because they've been suing to end net neutrality to 
ultimately monopolize the net. I don't like supporting large corporations 
that want to own the internet and become Big Brother to us all.
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-----Original Message----- 
From: 'Jim Bechtel' mrjimbo2@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:56 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

If I may.. please..  It's a bit bigger than what's on the surface.. As a
user you only see what you see but what you can't see is what goes on in the
background. I'm not trying to knock Yahoo.. so that is not what it's about
ok?  I have test groups set up now on both Google and Groups.io.. So I get
to see what is possible.. What I can tell you is that real support or
problem solving on Yahoo is a total joke when requested by either users or
by group administrators..  It's actually funny ..except that it's got to be
a brutal reality for those that try to run or manage the group.



So what I'm trying to say is if you're a Yahoo fan then maybe step up and do
the work. How hard are you willing to do that for free. Mark has worked his
ass off for us.. plus a few I'm sure that I don't know who they are..



What I'm struggling with is actually quite simple. Why would anyone promote
a continuance of a situation that is potentially marginal and has limited
abilities to really control the deliverable.. RU that naive..?  Do you not
care about the people that sponsor and work at this for free to help us
continue our interactions and sharing.. So frankly I suggest step up or
humble up..



I'm not trying in any way to promote a bail out of Yahoo .Simply put what I
am suggesting is that we need to listen to those that run our groups and try
to make it work for them.. Plus they know 5X more than we do about what it
really takes.. They are the ones that stepped up to serve us.. We need to
respect and honor that.. So I think we need to listen.. and maybe maybe step
up a tad as I'm sure they would appreciate the help..



jimbo

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:43 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?





I will chime in. I was the one who setup the EpsonWideFormat Group with
groups.io



Yes, everything gets transferred over by groups.io . It takes a few days and
you can keep this group going until complete. It is certainly a better
choice over Yahoo Groups, everyone is happy with it.



Mark
Co-moderator EpsonWideFormat



On Oct 13, 2016, at 1:27 PM, paulmwhiting@...
[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





@donbga: I've looked at  <http://group.io/> group.io and I agree with you. I
found it to have a more user-friendly interface. The main concern about
leaving Yahoo is that there has to be some way of preserving the many
excellent posts here.  <http://groups.io/> groups.io has a wide format group
that apparently was able to save all their valuable tips however.

Paul




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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-14 by Paul Roark


​...
I have test groups set up now on both Google and Groups.io.. So I get
to see what is possible..
​.

​Jim, do you have any conclusions about the two? Being able to search the group's posts is important, as is the likelihood they'll be around 10 years from now. Not knowing anything about Groups.io makes me initially think Google might be better platform, but I have not studied the situation.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-14 by Jim Bechtel

You can search both Google and Groups.io.. Most object to Google due to data mining but fact is Yahoo does it also.. In truth I think we need to see what Verizon does with Yahoo.. Currently of the three options Yahoo is certainly the worst. Google has some pretty kool features to it.. I think I personally like groups.io the best.. When Yahoo started their group effort I understand they bought the technology from groups.io so that might say something..

All kidding aside there are features on both that are pretty slick.. so their different.. My honest suggestion would be to go on each and open a group so you can play …You can always delete the group later but don’t name it what you’d finally do as you can’t reuse that.  Google has a few interesting features ..You can actually set up conferences  limited to maybe 10 people or so I think.. so you could actually do a class of sorts on it.. so in your case that might be very appealing…both of them are set up well to use sub groups and key words so much superior organization than Yahoo. You can get to a tech person on groups.io pretty easily …On Yahoo you’d have to be Obama or the Pope maybe I think. No kidding go on both and play .. We are used to Yahoo and while it works and seems ok most have no clue what’s possible with the other two.. 

 

So maybe it’s not about just making a change ..if everyone is fine with Yahoo that …the old saying if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.. I think it should also be about , however, what’s missing what can you do on the other groups that you can’t on Yahoo.. 

 

jimbo
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:51 AM
To: DigitalB&WPrint
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

 

  

 

  

​...

 I have test groups set up now on both Google and Groups.io.. So I get
to see what is possible..

​.

​Jim, do you have any conclusions about the two?  Being able to search the group's posts is important, as is the likelihood they'll be around 10 years from now.  Not knowing anything about Groups.io makes me initially think Google might be better platform, but I have not studied the situation.

 

​Paul

www.PaulRoark.com ​

 



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-14 by Bob Frost

EpsonWideFormat has already gone to Groups.io.

bob F.
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From: 'Jim Bechtel' mrjimbo2@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:51 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?





You can search both Google and Groups.io.. Most object to Google due to data 
mining but fact is Yahoo does it also.. In truth I think we need to see what 
Verizon does with Yahoo.. Currently of the three options Yahoo is certainly 
the worst. Google has some pretty kool features to it.. I think I personally 
like groups.io the best.. When Yahoo started their group effort I understand 
they bought the technology from groups.io so that might say something..



All kidding aside there are features on both that are pretty slick.. so 
their different.. My honest suggestion would be to go on each and open a 
group so you can play \u2026You can always delete the group later but don\u2019t name 
it what you\u2019d finally do as you can\u2019t reuse that.  Google has a few 
interesting features ..You can actually set up conferences  limited to maybe 
10 people or so I think.. so you could actually do a class of sorts on it.. 
so in your case that might be very appealing\u2026both of them are set up well to 
use sub groups and key words so much superior organization than Yahoo. You 
can get to a tech person on groups.io pretty easily \u2026On Yahoo you\u2019d have to 
be Obama or the Pope maybe I think. No kidding go on both and play .. We are 
used to Yahoo and while it works and seems ok most have no clue what\u2019s 
possible with the other two..



So maybe it\u2019s not about just making a change ..if everyone is fine with 
Yahoo that \u2026the old saying if it ain\u2019t broke don\u2019t fix it.. I think it 
should also be about , however, what\u2019s missing what can you do on the other 
groups that you can\u2019t on Yahoo..



jimbo





From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:51 AM
To: DigitalB&WPrint
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

















\u200b...



I have test groups set up now on both Google and Groups.io.. So I get
to see what is possible..



\u200b.



\u200bJim, do you have any conclusions about the two?  Being able to search the 
group's posts is important, as is the likelihood they'll be around 10 years 
from now.  Not knowing anything about Groups.io makes me initially think 
Google might be better platform, but I have not studied the situation.







\u200bPaul



www.PaulRoark.com











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Re: [Digital BW] Can I post a printer for sale on the group?

2016-10-14 by Mark Savoia

FYI, groups.io <http://groups.io/> has a section to use Google+ hangouts.

Mark
stillrivereditions.com
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