Digital BW, The Print

What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good job.

john

John-


Do you mean print on demand; like Blurb or Lulu?


If so, try A & I Imaging in Hollywood, or Edition One in San Francisco.




Bill K.

-----Original Message-----
From: john <deanwork2003@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:18 am
Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books


  
    
                  
What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good job.

john


    
             

  
 


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blurb.com

--- On Mon, 26/4/10, john <deanwork2003@...> wrote:

From: john <deanwork2003@...>
Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 26 April, 2010, 16:18















 
 



  


    
      
      
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Hi John:

Here are a few:

http://www.blurb.com

http://spgallerybooks.com/

(used to be)
http://www.fastbackbooks.com

All the best,

Andrew

Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet
http://www.imagingbuffet.com
Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://www.inkjettips.com
and
Pet Photography 101:
Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://www.PhotoPetTips.com



On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:

> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good  
> job.
>
> john
>



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Last I checked none of the main ones like blurb for example do b&w at  
nearly the level of quality I would called acceptable.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:32 AM, STEVE DEER <s.deer@...> wrote:

> blurb.com
>
> --- On Mon, 26/4/10, john <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
> From: john <deanwork2003@...>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 26 April, 2010, 16:18
>
> Â
>
> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good  
> job.
>
> john
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 


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I've had good results with

Mypublisher

David
--  
David Aschkenas
915 N. Euclid Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15206
412-363-3458
www.daschkenasphoto.com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote:

> Hi John:
>
> Here are a few:
>
> http://www.blurb.com
>
> http://spgallerybooks.com/
>
> (used to be)
> http://www.fastbackbooks.com
>
> All the best,
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Darlow
> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http:// 
> www.inkjettips.com
> and
> Pet Photography 101:
> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http:// 
> www.PhotoPetTips.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:
>
>> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good
>> job.
>>
>> john
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Yea, like wedding books and stuff like that in color.

Thanks, Lulu and Blurb were what I was thinking about, also Apple's interface has gotten a lot better.

j

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, BKPhoto@... wrote:

>
> John-
> 
> 
> Do you mean print on demand; like Blurb or Lulu?
> 
> 
> If so, try A & I Imaging in Hollywood, or Edition One in San Francisco.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill K.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john <deanwork2003@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:18 am
> Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
> 
> 
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>     
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> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good job.
> 
> john
> 
> 
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>              
> 
>   
>  
> 
> 
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>

Hi Richard:

Apart from inkjet, not much will match 175-200 linescreen printing  
using duotone or quadtone inks on a high end press.

There's also http://asukabook.com/ but costs are considerably higher  
per book compared with blurb. I believe all are printed on an offset  
press, but not with duotone/quad inks.

For short run, the quality of Blurb's black and white can be  
excellent. The cost is not high to run a test, which is the best way  
to know whether the quality is acceptable to you.

The more I think about it, if you make prints that you like the look  
of, and a paper you like, it's not a bad idea to print the pages on  
inkjet and have a custom bookbinder do the rest. Of course, there are  
a number of reasons why someone might not want to go in this direction- 
time and cost come to mind.

All the best,

Andrew

Andrew Darlow
Editor, The Imaging Buffet
http://www.imagingbuffet.com
Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://www.inkjettips.com
and
Pet Photography 101:
Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://www.PhotoPetTips.com



On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> Last I checked none of the main ones like blurb for example do b&w at
> nearly the level of quality I would called acceptable.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:32 AM, STEVE DEER <s.deer@...>  
> wrote:
>
> > blurb.com
> >


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Just one more comment on Blurb b/w.   I have found that they have gotten much better and more consistent.    If you "Tone" your b/w images then you are more likely to get a better b/w.   As they are now more consistent you should also consider doing a test book with some test targets etc.    You can then soft/hard profile as you like.

Paul
On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Andrew Darlow wrote:

> Hi Richard:
> 
> Apart from inkjet, not much will match 175-200 linescreen printing 
> using duotone or quadtone inks on a high end press.
> 
> There's also http://asukabook.com/ but costs are considerably higher 
> per book compared with blurb. I believe all are printed on an offset 
> press, but not with duotone/quad inks.
> 
> For short run, the quality of Blurb's black and white can be 
> excellent. The cost is not high to run a test, which is the best way 
> to know whether the quality is acceptable to you.
> 
> The more I think about it, if you make prints that you like the look 
> of, and a paper you like, it's not a bad idea to print the pages on 
> inkjet and have a custom bookbinder do the rest. Of course, there are 
> a number of reasons why someone might not want to go in this direction- 
> time and cost come to mind.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> Andrew Darlow
> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://www.inkjettips.com
> and
> Pet Photography 101:
> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://www.PhotoPetTips.com
> 
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
> 
> > Last I checked none of the main ones like blurb for example do b&w at
> > nearly the level of quality I would called acceptable.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:32 AM, STEVE DEER <s.deer@...> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > blurb.com
> > >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 



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I like
http://www.lulu.com

Debbi

It may be time to do another "test" book.  My last test books of B&W from
blurb, lulu, and one other I forget the name of, was simply awful.
Greenies, random white spots, and really poor tonality.  I mean not even
"good enough for the price", just down right, "my god, don't even look at
it" quality.....


-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Debbi <corkie@...> wrote:

>
>
> I like
> http://www.lulu.com
>
> Debbi
> 
>


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On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> It may be time to do another "test" book.  My last test books of B&W from
> blurb, lulu, and one other I forget the name of, was simply awful.
> Greenies, random white spots, and really poor tonality.  I mean not even
> "good enough for the price", just down right, "my god, don't even look at
> it" quality.....


My experience 1.5 years ago was identical.

David Kachel

All-


The problems associated with many internet based POD (print on demand) venders has less to do with the technology used to print, and much more to do with quality control and adequate color management. Blurb, for example, uses inkjet HP Indigo presses that are capable of very good print quality, and they provide a generic ICC profile that can be downloaded and used for generic soft proofing. The problems is implementation. Quality control. Blurb, like most other POD vendors, aggressively markets to the professional but manufactures to the consumer. Still, it is simply remarkable that you can actually print real books on demand.


There are solutions. One is to locate a boutique POD vendor. Another is to take more control over the process. I can highly recommend Chris Dickie's "How To Make and Publish a Photobook" to anyone wanting a better understanding the processl:


http://www.picture-box.com/photobook1.html






Bill Kennedy
K2 Press, Inc.
Austin, Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@gmail.com>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books


It may be time to do another "test" book.  My last test books of B&W from
blurb, lulu, and one other I forget the name of, was simply awful.
Greenies, random white spots, and really poor tonality.  I mean not even
"good enough for the price", just down right, "my god, don't even look at
it" quality.....


-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Debbi <corkie@sunset.net> wrote:

>
>
> I like
> http://www.lulu.com
>
> Debbi
> 
>


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INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE 
PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), 
RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
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Have you seen or tried anything recently David?   Reason I ask is last time
I tried it was because a number of people were saying the quality for B&W
was not so bad from lulu and blurb.  Ugh.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM, David Kachel <david@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
>
> > It may be time to do another "test" book. My last test books of B&W from
> > blurb, lulu, and one other I forget the name of, was simply awful.
> > Greenies, random white spots, and really poor tonality. I mean not even
> > "good enough for the price", just down right, "my god, don't even look at
> > it" quality.....
>
> My experience 1.5 years ago was identical.
>
> David Kachel
>
>  
>



-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


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Good suggestions, and I'll have to check out that book.  thanks.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:25 PM, <BKPhoto@...> wrote:

>
>
> All-
>
> The problems associated with many internet based POD (print on demand)
> venders has less to do with the technology used to print, and much more to
> do with quality control and adequate color management. Blurb, for example,
> uses inkjet HP Indigo presses that are capable of very good print quality,
> and they provide a generic ICC profile that can be downloaded and used for
> generic soft proofing. The problems is implementation. Quality control.
> Blurb, like most other POD vendors, aggressively markets to the professional
> but manufactures to the consumer. Still, it is simply remarkable that you
> can actually print real books on demand.
>
> There are solutions. One is to locate a boutique POD vendor. Another is to
> take more control over the process. I can highly recommend Chris Dickie's
> "How To Make and Publish a Photobook" to anyone wanting a better
> understanding the processl:
>
> http://www.picture-box.com/photobook1.html
>
> Bill Kennedy
> K2 Press, Inc.
> Austin, Texas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@... <rich815%40gmail.com>>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 2:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
>
> It may be time to do another "test" book. My last test books of B&W from
> blurb, lulu, and one other I forget the name of, was simply awful.
> Greenies, random white spots, and really poor tonality. I mean not even
> "good enough for the price", just down right, "my god, don't even look at
> it" quality.....
>
> --
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
> My Photography Website
> http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
>
> My Flickr River
> http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Debbi <corkie@...<corkie%40sunset.net>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I like
> > http://www.lulu.com
> >
> > Debbi
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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> INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES,
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> NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER
> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES),
> RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT
> YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR
> TRANSMISSIONS OR
> DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>  
>



-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


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David,

Did you have them print any in Black and White? If so how was the quality?

Thanks,

Gary Wagner

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Aschkenas
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books

 

  

I've had good results with

Mypublisher

David
-- 
David Aschkenas
915 N. Euclid Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15206
412-363-3458
www.daschkenasphoto.com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote:

> Hi John:
>
> Here are a few:
>
> http://www.blurb.com
>
> http://spgallerybooks.com/
>
> (used to be)
> http://www.fastbackbooks.com
>
> All the best,
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Darlow
> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http:// 
> www.inkjettips.com
> and
> Pet Photography 101:
> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http:// 
> www.PhotoPetTips.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:
>
>> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good
>> job.
>>
>> john
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE " 
> OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL 
> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, 
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, 
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER 
> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL 
> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF 
> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE 
> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO 
> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR 
> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO 
> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE 
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Interesting discussion on Book printing. 

Has anyone had any successful Print on Demand books done in Black and White? 

Does anyone know of any of these publishers that is using a press other than an HP Indigo? 

Thanks,

Gary Wagner

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BKPhoto@...
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:23 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books

 

  

John-

Do you mean print on demand; like Blurb or Lulu?

If so, try A & I Imaging in Hollywood, or Edition One in San Francisco.

Bill K.

-----Original Message-----
From: john <deanwork2003@... <mailto:deanwork2003%40yahoo.com> >
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:18 am
Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books

What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good job.

john

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I’ll be attending a Blurb workshop given by John Paul Caponigro this coming Thursday, April 29, where I hope to learn as much as I can about getting the best possible B&W reproduction. If I do learn anything helpful I’ll pass it on. Those of you in the New York area might be interested in attending. Info at http://blurbnycworkshop.eventbrite.com/ There is a fee for the workshop but after it there will be a free “meet up” at the Red Sky http://www.redskynyc.com/ where Blurb users can get together and maybe pick each others brains.

 

Olaf


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John Paul leading a Blurb workshop?


Really? How sad.




Bill K.

-----Original Message-----
From: olaf ringdahl <o.ringdahl@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books


  
    
                  
I’ll be attending a Blurb workshop given by John Paul Caponigro this coming Thursday, April 29, where I hope to learn as much as I can about getting the best possible B&W reproduction. If I do learn anything helpful I’ll pass it on. Those of you in the New York area might be interested in attending. Info at http://blurbnycworkshop.eventbrite.com/ There is a fee for the workshop but after it there will be a free “meet up” at the Red Sky http://www.redskynyc.com/ where Blurb users can get together and maybe pick each others brains.

Olaf

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Yes, I have had several all black and white books printed, and they  
were pretty neutral.  I thought they did a pretty good job.  Did it  
look like b & w gravure printing , no, but it was good, no green or  
magenta casts.
David
-- 
David Aschkenas
915 N. Euclid Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15206
412-363-3458
www.daschkenasphoto.com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Gary wrote:

> David,
>
> Did you have them print any in Black and White? If so how was the  
> quality?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Wagner
>
>
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  
> David
> Aschkenas
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
>
>
>
>
>
> I've had good results with
>
> Mypublisher
>
> David
> -- 
> David Aschkenas
> 915 N. Euclid Ave.
> Pittsburgh, PA 15206
> 412-363-3458
> www.daschkenasphoto.com
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Here are a few:
>>
>> http://www.blurb.com
>>
>> http://spgallerybooks.com/
>>
>> (used to be)
>> http://www.fastbackbooks.com
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Andrew Darlow
>> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
>> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
>> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
>> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://
>> www.inkjettips.com
>> and
>> Pet Photography 101:
>> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://
>> www.PhotoPetTips.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:
>>
>>> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good
>>> job.
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>> resources as they are often being updated.
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>
>> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you
>> wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by
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>>
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>> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital
>> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
>> removed from the membership.
>> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules
>> and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the
>> group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines"
>> in the Files section:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>>
>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "
>> OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL
>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER
>> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL
>> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
>> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE
>> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO
>> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
>> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other  
> resources as they are often being updated.
>
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> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE  
> �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL  
> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,  
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,  
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER  
> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL  
> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF  
> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE  
> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO  
> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR  
> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO  
> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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Blurb did a great job on my B&ws
Vinny
www.wulfsden.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:

>
> Last I checked none of the main ones like blurb for example do b&w at  
> nearly the level of quality I would called acceptable.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:32 AM, STEVE DEER <s.deer@...> wrote:
> 
> > blurb.com
> >
> > --- On Mon, 26/4/10, john <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: john <deanwork2003@...>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, 26 April, 2010, 16:18
> >
> > Â
> >
> > What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good  
> > job.
> >
> > john
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Are you selling the blurb book in which they did a great job with your  
b&w?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:56 AM, "Vinny" <orlandovl@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Blurb did a great job on my B&ws
> Vinny
> www.wulfsden.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard  
> Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:
> >
> > Last I checked none of the main ones like blurb for example do b&w  
> at
> > nearly the level of quality I would called acceptable.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:32 AM, STEVE DEER <s.deer@...> wrote:
> >
> > > blurb.com
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 26/4/10, john <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: john <deanwork2003@...>
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, 26 April, 2010, 16:18
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > What is the name of the online book making companies that do a  
> good
> > > job.
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 


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Any of those books available for sale?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:09 AM, David Aschkenas  
<Daschkenas@...> wrote:

> Yes, I have had several all black and white books printed, and they
> were pretty neutral.  I thought they did a pretty good job.  Did it
> look like b & w gravure printing , no, but it was good, no green or
> magenta casts.
> David
> -- 
> David Aschkenas
> 915 N. Euclid Ave.
> Pittsburgh, PA 15206
> 412-363-3458
> www.daschkenasphoto.com
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Did you have them print any in Black and White? If so how was the
>> quality?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gary Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> David
>> Aschkenas
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:30 AM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've had good results with
>>
>> Mypublisher
>>
>> David
>> -- 
>> David Aschkenas
>> 915 N. Euclid Ave.
>> Pittsburgh, PA 15206
>> 412-363-3458
>> www.daschkenasphoto.com
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John:
>>>
>>> Here are a few:
>>>
>>> http://www.blurb.com
>>>
>>> http://spgallerybooks.com/
>>>
>>> (used to be)
>>> http://www.fastbackbooks.com
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> Andrew Darlow
>>> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
>>> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
>>> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
>>> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://
>>> www.inkjettips.com
>>> and
>>> Pet Photography 101:
>>> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://
>>> www.PhotoPetTips.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good
>>>> job.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>>> resources as they are often being updated.
>>>
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>>
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>>> and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the
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>>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "
>>> OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL
>>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER
>>> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL
>>> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
>>> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE
>>> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO
>>> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
>>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
>>> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE
>> “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SH 
>> ALL
>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER
>> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGI 
>> TAL
>> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
>> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE
>> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO
>> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
>> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> R” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT  
> BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONS 
> EQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGE 
> S FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSE 
> S (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT  
> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), R 
> ESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, T 
> HE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF Y 
> OUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD  
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>
>

They are not available for sale, but I just sent you a preview from  
My Publisher, so that you can see it on line.
To Richard Sintchak.

David
-- 
David Aschkenas
915 N. Euclid Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15206
412-363-3458
www.daschkenasphoto.com

On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> Any of those books available for sale?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:09 AM, David Aschkenas
> <Daschkenas@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have had several all black and white books printed, and they
>> were pretty neutral.  I thought they did a pretty good job.  Did it
>> look like b & w gravure printing , no, but it was good, no green or
>> magenta casts.
>> David
>> -- 
>> David Aschkenas
>> 915 N. Euclid Ave.
>> Pittsburgh, PA 15206
>> 412-363-3458
>> www.daschkenasphoto.com
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Did you have them print any in Black and White? If so how was the
>>> quality?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gary Wagner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David
>>> Aschkenas
>>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:30 AM
>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had good results with
>>>
>>> Mypublisher
>>>
>>> David
>>> -- 
>>> David Aschkenas
>>> 915 N. Euclid Ave.
>>> Pittsburgh, PA 15206
>>> 412-363-3458
>>> www.daschkenasphoto.com
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John:
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.blurb.com
>>>>
>>>> http://spgallerybooks.com/
>>>>
>>>> (used to be)
>>>> http://www.fastbackbooks.com
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Darlow
>>>> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
>>>> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
>>>> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
>>>> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http://
>>>> www.inkjettips.com
>>>> and
>>>> Pet Photography 101:
>>>> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http://
>>>> www.PhotoPetTips.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a  
>>>>> good
>>>>> job.
>>>>>
>>>>> john
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>>>> resources as they are often being updated.
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>>>
>>>> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you
>>>> wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by
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>>>>
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>>>> from the membership without notice.
>>>> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital
>>>> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
>>>> removed from the membership.
>>>> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules
>>>> and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the
>>>> group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines"
>>>> in the Files section:
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>>>>
>>>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>>>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "
>>>> OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL
>>>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>>>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>>>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER
>>>> INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL
>>>> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
>>>> SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE
>>>> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO
>>>> OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR
>>>> CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO
>>>> GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>>>> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
>>> resources as they are often being updated.
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>>> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
>>> removed from the membership.
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>>> and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the
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>>> Guidelines”
>>> in the Files section:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>>>
>>> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
>>> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE
>>> “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SH
>>> ALL
>>> NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
>>> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
>>> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER
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On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> Are you selling the blurb book in which they did a great job with your
> b&w?

Searching Blurb using Vincent's name produces:

http://www.blurb.com/books/939266

Which includes a good deal of B&W.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...


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Vincent,

The book looks great online! 

Gary Wagner

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C D Tobie
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:43 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books

 

  


On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

> Are you selling the blurb book in which they did a great job with your
> b&w?

Searching Blurb using Vincent's name produces:

http://www.blurb.com/books/939266

Which includes a good deal of B&W.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> 

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Extensive review of a few book sites; videos are worthwhile:

http://www.digitalhomethoughts.com/iphone/news/show/97676/the-great-photo-book-round-up-review-who-makes-the-best-photo-books.html

Best,
John

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:

>
> It may be time to do another "test" book.  My last test books of B&W from
> blurb, lulu, and one other I forget the name of, was simply awful.
> Greenies, random white spots, and really poor tonality.  I mean not even
> "good enough for the price", just down right, "my god, don't even look at
> it" quality.....
> 
> 
> -- 
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> 
> My Photography Website
> http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> 
> My Flickr River
> http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> 
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Debbi <corkie@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I like
> > http://www.lulu.com
> >
> > Debbi
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I guess you can order the book from Blurb. I did not have it printed for the sole purpose of selling it. I had it printed so I could use it to show galleries instead of lugging a large portfolio around.

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:

>
> Are you selling the blurb book in which they did a great job with your  
> b&w?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:56 AM, "Vinny" <orlandovl@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Blurb did a great job on my B&ws
> > Vinny
> > www.wulfsden.com
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard  
> > Sintchak <rich815@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Last I checked none of the main ones like blurb for example do b&w  
> > at
> > > nearly the level of quality I would called acceptable.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:32 AM, STEVE DEER <s.deer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > blurb.com
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 26/4/10, john <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: john <deanwork2003@>
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Monday, 26 April, 2010, 16:18
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > What is the name of the online book making companies that do a  
> > good
> > > > job.
> > > >
> > > > john
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Looks better in print. Thank you for the comment.


Vinny
www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary " <gary@...> wrote:

>
> Vincent,
> 
> The book looks great online! 
> 
> Gary Wagner
> 
>  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C D Tobie
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:43 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
> 
> > Are you selling the blurb book in which they did a great job with your
> > b&w?
> 
> Searching Blurb using Vincent's name produces:
> 
> http://www.blurb.com/books/939266
> 
> Which includes a good deal of B&W.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40datacolor.com> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Let me add to this: I have had tremendous support from MyPublisher. I drove them crazy trying to get my book out. Finally, I was successful and I was delighted with the product.
Craig




________________________________

From: David Aschkenas <Daschkenas@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 11:29:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Online Photo Books

  
I've had good results with

Mypublisher

David
-- 
David Aschkenas
915 N. Euclid Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15206
412-363-3458
www.daschkenasphoto .com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Darlow wrote:

> Hi John:
>
> Here are a few:
>
> http://www.blurb. com
>
> http://spgallerybooks.com/
>
> (used to be)
> http://www.fastbackbooks.com
>
> All the best,
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Darlow
> Editor, The Imaging Buffet
> http://www.imagingbuffet.com
> Author, 301 Inkjet Tips and Techniques:
> An Essential Printing Resource for Photographers - http:// 
> www.inkjettips. com
> and
> Pet Photography 101:
> Tips for Taking Better Photos of Your Dog or Cat - http:// 
> www.PhotoPetTips. com
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:18 AM, john wrote:
>
>> What is the name of the online book making companies that do a good
>> job.
>>
>> john
>>
>
>
>
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I thought this got posted but maybe not. It's been covered but I have used both blurb and lulu. lulu did a horrible job on print quality and the cover was an extremely glossy laminated stock that looked tacky, in my opinion. The 8.5 square format was also a bit too large for my work. I was also not crazy with their limited layout palette. I had to create the full pages in PS before importing them. Lastly, you have no way to edit the title page...at all. So if you choose a font for the cover and text pages inside, you are stuck with only one font on the title page.

Blurb has a great layout program which is downloadable so you can work offline. You can size your images more accordingly and they tell you what the optimum size is. Their print and paper quality is decent but sometimes inconsistent. Still, for the price, you can't beat it and I love the 7 x 7 format.

Thank you, John for your link to the reviews as well. I didn't know about some of the companies out there and it looks as though blurb is the best pick for me.

I am in the processing of re-doing the current book I have up for sale but if anyone is interested in the one there now, the link is http://www.blurb.com/books/1134152

My 2 cents....
AnnMarie
www.annmarietornabene.net

On 28 Apr 2010, at 9:34 AM, faeofavalon wrote:

> I thought this got posted but maybe not. It's been covered but I have used both blurb and lulu. lulu did a horrible job on print quality and the cover was an extremely glossy laminated stock that looked tacky, in my opinion. The 8.5 square format was also a bit too large for my work. I was also not crazy with their limited layout palette. I had to create the full pages in PS before importing them. Lastly, you have no way to edit the title page...at all. So if you choose a font for the cover and text pages inside, you are stuck with only one font on the title page.


I think Lulu gives you several options for the cover design.  You *can* do the entire cover design yourself, but you have to choose that option, and provide the right sorts of files (PDF is best, done in Adobe InDesign).  But I've done it several times with success.  Here are links to a few books I've done with Lulu to demonstrate:

	http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/convento-art-emerging-from-ruins-%28exhibition-catalog%29/4576181
	http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/automatic-vaudeville/4017579
	http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/ex-cuba-libris/2082612

However, I do agree about the problems with Lulu's output.  While I've had good luck with more graphic books (with art from paintings, etc.), the photographic output, especially monochrome, has been depressingly bad.

--John

So, who has a downloadable offline program that works in Linux? Anyone?
Or, better stated, who has a decent enough web interface that they
don't *need* an offline program, as much as I would rather use one?

Andrew

On 4/28/2010, "faeofavalon" <faeofavalon@...> wrote:

>
>I thought this got posted but maybe not. It's been covered but I have used both blurb and lulu. lulu did a horrible job on print quality and the cover was an extremely glossy laminated stock that looked tacky, in my opinion. The 8.5 square format was also a bit too large for my work. I was also not crazy with their limited layout palette. I had to create the full pages in PS before importing them. Lastly, you have no way to edit the title page...at all. So if you choose a font for the cover and text pages inside, you are stuck with only one font on the title page.
>
>Blurb has a great layout program which is downloadable so you can work offline. You can size your images more accordingly and they tell you what the optimum size is. Their print and paper quality is decent but sometimes inconsistent. Still, for the price, you can't beat it and I love the 7 x 7 format.
>
>Thank you, John for your link to the reviews as well. I didn't know about some of the companies out there and it looks as though blurb is the best pick for me.
>
>I am in the processing of re-doing the current book I have up for sale but if anyone is interested in the one there now, the link is http://www.blurb.com/books/1134152
>
>My 2 cents....
>AnnMarie
>www.annmarietornabene.net
>
>
>
>
>