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Color differences from day to day

Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Lew Schwartz

I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to using
different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image tone.
These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's print
has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from an
angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.

So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?


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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Mark Savoia

Have your inks settled? You need to gently shake them from time to time.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to using
> different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image tone.
> These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's print
> has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from an
> angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.
> 
> So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?
>

Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Lew Schwartz

You mean as in take the cartridges out & shake them? Doesn't that waste ink?

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@...m>wrote:

>
>
> Have your inks settled? You need to gently shake them from time to time.
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to
> using
> > different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image
> tone.
> > These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's print
> > has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from
> an
> > angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.
> >
> > So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Mark Savoia

Yes, gently. Why do you think it would waste ink? Also, how old is your ink?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Apr 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> You mean as in take the cartridges out & shake them? Doesn't that waste ink?

Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Lew Schwartz

The printer & inks are new, but I wouldn't know how long everything sat in
the box. Can't air get into the lines if I pull the carts?

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@...>wrote:

>
>
> Yes, gently. Why do you think it would waste ink? Also, how old is your
> ink?
>
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> On Apr 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
>
> > You mean as in take the cartridges out & shake them? Doesn't that waste
> ink?
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Mark Savoia

Yes - from air bubbles created by shaking TOO hard, so pull the carts, gently shake them, put back in, let them settle for a few hours, start up and do a few cleaning cycles to get the old ink through the lines and head. Then make some prints and see if your color shift goes away.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Apr 17, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> The printer & inks are new, but I wouldn't know how long everything sat in
> the box. Can't air get into the lines if I pull the carts?
>

Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Michael King

Inks settle in the cartridge pretty quickly. That's why Epson says they
should be used for no more than 6 months after insertion in the printer. In
practice you can measure Magenta settling (with a spectro) within 2 months.

Yes it wastes ink with a cleaning cycle, but what's the good of ink with
changing density ?
To minimize the chance of getting air in the lines/ink I shake and then let
them stand in the printer for 30 mins before I lower the levers.

You have to shake regularly if you keep ink in the printers for more than
couple months. If you don't then inks will settle and even when you do shake
they will be a different density (assuming you've been printing along the
way).
Also remember it takes a few cleaning cycles / prints to push the shaken ink
down the tubes to the head.

When all said and done if you really care about consistent colour you need
to shake your carts once a month.

Mike

On 17 April 2010 13:28, Lew Schwartz <lew1716@...> wrote:

> You mean as in take the cartridges out & shake them? Doesn't that waste
> ink?
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@stillrivereditions.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Have your inks settled? You need to gently shake them from time to time.
> >
> > Mark
> > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> >
> >
> > On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to
> > using
> > > different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image
> > tone.
> > > These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's
> print
> > > has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from
> > an
> > > angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.
> > >
> > > So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Ernst Dinkla

Lew Schwartz schreef:
> I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to using
> different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image tone.
> These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's print
> has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from an
> angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.
> 
> So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?

Wouldn't it be useful to describe what the different paper settings 
could have been?

What you observe is more related to ink absorption by the coating. 
Humidity in the studio could affect it. As it happens in the highlights 
I doubt it is the ink amount related to another media preset choice. You 
are sure it is the same paper?


-- 
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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Lew Schwartz

I changed the settings from "Premium Glossy Photo Paper(250)" to "Epson
Proofing White Semimatte."  Both prints were on the semimatte. I used the
glossy setting because I did not know that once I entered the settings for
the semimatte, I still had to activate them.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...>wrote:

>
>
> Lew Schwartz schreef:
>
> > I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to
> using
> > different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image
> tone.
> > These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's print
> > has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from
> an
> > angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.
> >
> > So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?
>
> Wouldn't it be useful to describe what the different paper settings
> could have been?
>
> What you observe is more related to ink absorption by the coating.
> Humidity in the studio could affect it. As it happens in the highlights
> I doubt it is the ink amount related to another media preset choice. You
> are sure it is the same paper?
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
>
> Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/
>
> | Dinkla Grafische Techniek |
> | www.pigment-print.com |
> | ( unvollendet ) |
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Lew Schwartz

I do note two things: the printer sways gently from side to side while
printing and there is no color change when looking at the print straight on,
only when looking from the side. It has a greenish metallic sheen that the
earlier print doesn't have.


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RE: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by E.Neilsen

Lew, Do you have your printer on an Epson stand or on a rock solid table? I
f you have an Epson printer on a stand the need to gently remind the ink
particles to stay floating, shaken, is less of a planned event. If however,
it sits on a bench, or table top, the need to remove the carts and re
instill in them the chaos of being mixed, then the great , shake every once
in a while comes into play.  Changing the media seeing will indeed change
the ink output. That is why you need to use the right media setting used to
make a profile when using it to print. Changes in humidity of paper can
cause the problems you describe. It is possible that you seen have a slight
clogged nozzle, If it is repeatable after resetting to same paper
configuration and after a nozzle check, you may have a density change in
your ink lines. 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1

Let's Talk Photography

 

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I do note two things: the printer sways gently from side to side while
printing and there is no color change when looking at the print straight on,
only when looking from the side. It has a greenish metallic sheen that the
earlier print doesn't have.

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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Lew Schwartz

Yes, I do have it on the Epson stand and it does sway gently when printing.
Again, however, what I wrote was misleading. The "color" shift I refer to is
a metallic, green sheen that you can see when looking at the print
obliquely. The two prints look the same when viewed head on.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM, E.Neilsen <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:

>
>
> Lew, Do you have your printer on an Epson stand or on a rock solid table? I
> f you have an Epson printer on a stand the need to gently remind the ink
> particles to stay floating, shaken, is less of a planned event. If however,
> it sits on a bench, or table top, the need to remove the carts and re
> instill in them the chaos of being mixed, then the great , shake every once
> in a while comes into play. Changing the media seeing will indeed change
> the ink output. That is why you need to use the right media setting used to
> make a profile when using it to print. Changes in humidity of paper can
> cause the problems you describe. It is possible that you seen have a slight
> clogged nozzle, If it is repeatable after resetting to same paper
> configuration and after a nozzle check, you may have a density change in
> your ink lines.
>
> Eric Neilsen
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
>
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> skype me with ejprinter
>
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1
>
> Let's Talk Photography
>
> _____
>
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Lew
> Schwartz
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:07 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day
>
>
> I do note two things: the printer sways gently from side to side while
> printing and there is no color change when looking at the print straight
> on,
> only when looking from the side. It has a greenish metallic sheen that the
> earlier print doesn't have.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Ernst Dinkla

Lew Schwartz schreef:
> I changed the settings from "Premium Glossy Photo Paper(250)" to "Epson
> Proofing White Semimatte."  Both prints were on the semimatte. I used the
> glossy setting because I did not know that once I entered the settings for
> the semimatte, I still had to activate them.

And the result was better with the Premium Glossy PP setting?
Despite the fact that the paper used is PWSM?
Both printed with PK I guess but that doesn't get to the highlights anyway.


-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst

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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Ernst Dinkla

Lew Schwartz schreef:
> Yes, I do have it on the Epson stand and it does sway gently when printing.
> Again, however, what I wrote was misleading. The "color" shift I refer to is
> a metallic, green sheen that you can see when looking at the print
> obliquely. The two prints look the same when viewed head on.

It is called bronzing. Ink-pigment that isn't encapsulated in the inkjet 
coating and gives another reflection on certain angles. Metal like.



-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst

Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/

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|         www.pigment-print.com        |
|                 ( unvollendet )                 |

Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-17 by Mark Savoia

But I thought his original post stated he did not have it then all of a sudden he was getting it?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Apr 17, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

> Lew Schwartz schreef:
>> Yes, I do have it on the Epson stand and it does sway gently when printing.
>> Again, however, what I wrote was misleading. The "color" shift I refer to is
>> a metallic, green sheen that you can see when looking at the print
>> obliquely. The two prints look the same when viewed head on.
> 
> It is called bronzing. Ink-pigment that isn't encapsulated in the inkjet 
> coating and gives another reflection on certain angles. Metal like.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-18 by Paul Grant

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On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...>  
wrote:

> Lew Schwartz schreef:
> > Yes, I do have it on the Epson stand and it does sway gently when  
> printing.
> > Again, however, what I wrote was misleading. The "color" shift I  
> refer to is
> > a metallic, green sheen that you can see when looking at the print
> > obliquely. The two prints look the same when viewed head on.
>
> It is called bronzing. Ink-pigment that isn't encapsulated in the  
> inkjet
> coating and gives another reflection on certain angles. Metal like.
>
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
>
> Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/
>
> | Dinkla Grafische Techniek |
> | www.pigment-print.com |
> | ( unvollendet ) |
>
> 


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Re: [Digital BW] Color differences from day to day

2010-04-18 by Ernst Dinkla

Mark Savoia schreef:
> But I thought his original post stated he did not have it then all of a sudden he was getting it?
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com

His original post says:

 >>
I'm sure this is another naive, ignorant question, but possibly due to using
different paper settings today, I've got a noticible change in image tone.
These are all b&w prints coming from my 4880 using K3 inks. Today's print
has a metalic brown, olive green hue in the highlights when viewed from an
angle whereas yesterday's is pure black from all angles.

So, what caused this change & how do I avoid it?
<<

Due to different paper settings today.
Viewed from an angle.

is what I read then.

After that I ask the sensible questions.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst

Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/

|      Dinkla Grafische Techniek      |
|         www.pigment-print.com        |
|                 ( unvollendet )                 |

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