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Bust rim switch on TP80S

Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by moosetication

I no longer have a rim sound on one side (left of the centre) on one 
of my TP80S cymbal pads.

[sigh]

Looking at OldGuy's pictures, it seems that the rim switch splits 
there, with seperate tracks on the ribbon back to the PCB. How 
straightforward was it to take the TP80S apart for your photos?

Anyone familiar with the failure modes of this switch? Is it likely 
to be repairable? I'm not an electronics whizz, but I can fly a 
soldering iron.

Stewart

RE: [DTXpress] Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

Stewart wrote: "to take the TP80S apart for your photos?"

The rubber covering is glued at about 8 places to the underside of the
plastic frame. Use a good sharp razor knife to carefully cut it apart at the
glued joints so that it can be glued back together. If the ribbon is
physically broken, it did not look like it could easily be fixed. And after
asking Yamaha for the price to replace the ribbon in the rim switches for
the TP65S ($150), it would be cheaper to replace the pad all together. I
would remove the plastic covering over the PCB/jack first and check to see
if anything is loose there, before I would remove the rubber covering.

OGD
 
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RE: [DTXpress] Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by Creighton Higgins

I went through the same thing. Opened up the cymbal and found nothing
obviously amiss and realized I had no clue as to how to test the rim switch.
So...
Bought a Zenbal dual zone from the good folks at Drumbalaya and use the old
Yamaha as a single-zone non-choking pad, much like the ride.

note: the Zenbal feels and looks good but is very fussy about set-up. I
might have been happier buying another Yamaha.
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Subject: [DTXpress] Bust rim switch on TP80S



I no longer have a rim sound on one side (left of the centre) on one
of my TP80S cymbal pads.

[sigh]

Looking at OldGuy's pictures, it seems that the rim switch splits
there, with seperate tracks on the ribbon back to the PCB. How
straightforward was it to take the TP80S apart for your photos?

Anyone familiar with the failure modes of this switch? Is it likely
to be repairable? I'm not an electronics whizz, but I can fly a
soldering iron.

Stewart



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Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by moosetication

--- Creighton Higgins wrote:

> I went through the same thing. Opened up the cymbal and
> found nothing obviously amiss and realized I had no
> clue as to how to test the rim switch.

Well, snap. Moved the pads around so it's less of a problem (put it 
on a crash/crash rather than the crash/ride, where it was a bit 
obvious when I got the wrong voice).

> So... Bought a Zenbal dual zone from the good folks at
> Drumbalaya and use the old Yamaha as a single-zone
> non-choking pad, much like the ride.

A temptation, but until eurodrummer.com gets some momentum and 
(hopefully) gets real about prices of Pintech tackle in Europe, that 
may have to remain a pipedream. I'd rather wait for a business trip 
to the US and take some home with me than pay the standard obscene 
pound-for-dollar conversion. And while we're on the topic, what the 
heck is pintecheu.com for? It doesn't seem to sell anything, or have 
anything visibly different to the main US site. Why bother?

> note: the Zenbal feels and looks good but is very fussy
> about set-up.

That's disappointing to hear. I have worked my way around the 
peculiarities of the SE-102 which I use as a main snare. Fussy in 
what way?

> I might have been happier buying another Yamaha.

Yeah. Yamaha pads are turning up on eBay in a steady trickle. I 
don't dislike 'em enough to do anything rash right now. I need some 
other things before I start getting uppity with my cymbals. I'd 
rather get a mesh snare first. And a second module before that. And 
a ... and a ... [head explodes]

Stewart (who seems to be grumpy at the moment)

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by Paul Bentley

Really Inspector, do you seriously expect me to believe that on 2/9/03 7:55
pm, "moosetication" <moosetication@...> said:

>> note: the Zenbal feels and looks good but is very fussy
>> about set-up.
> 
> That's disappointing to hear. I have worked my way around the
> peculiarities of the SE-102 which I use as a main snare. Fussy in
> what way?
> 
>> I might have been happier buying another Yamaha.
> 
> Yeah. Yamaha pads are turning up on eBay in a steady trickle. I
> don't dislike 'em enough to do anything rash right now. I need some
> other things before I start getting uppity with my cymbals. I'd
> rather get a mesh snare first. And a second module before that. And
> a ... and a ... [head explodes]

This is all very interesting as I have yet to jump into this pond and buy a
stock DTX. What I've been reading is very much leading me to think that I'll
buy a basic Koby mesh head kit (5 pads and rack) and add whatever cymbals &
brain seem right at the time. Why Koby? Made here in the UK and reasonably
priced so less hassle to get and maintain. Only downside I can see is that
I'll have to get some rim silencer (I have neighbours). Cymbals are a bit
more of a problem, here I'm tempted to go DIY and make my own. The brain?
Not sure. The DTXpress brain has a lot that I want, only question now is
whether it has a 'brushes' mode like the Rolands. (I like brushes!) Not
greatly attracted to either of the DMs, so only other options are the ddrum
or Roland. The ddrum brain is ridiculously expensive, so it's Yamaha or
Roland. Decisions, decisions............ :-)

pb

Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bentley <pb@w...> wrote:
What I've been reading is very much leading me to think that I'll
> buy a basic Koby mesh head kit (5 pads and rack) and add whatever 
cymbals 

Paul,

If you go the Koby route, how'd you like to write a review for us? 
We've known about Koby pads for a long time, but they have absolutely 
no profile in the US. Our UK members could certainly benefit from a 
report.

> brain seem right at the time. brain?
> Not sure. The DTXpress brain has a lot that I want, only question 
now is
> whether it has a 'brushes' mode like the Rolands. (I like brushes!)

DTXpress has a "brushes" kit, but doesn't allow you to play actual 
brushes to trigger the pads. The Roland TD-10, with which I'm 
slightly familiar, does claim to permit the use of brushes, at least 
with certain sounds, but I don't recall that the other Roland models 
do. I don't think that I'd spend the money on a TD-10 just for that 
relatively minor advantage, however, especially if your budget is  
more compatible with the Xpress price. 
 
> not greatly attracted to either of the DMs, so only other options 
are the ddrum
> or Roland. The ddrum brain is ridiculously expensive, so it's 
Yamaha or
> Roland. Decisions, decisions............ :-)

If the TD-10 and ddrum are anywhere on your map, remember that Yamaha 
is poised to offer a new module to replace the Xtreme; it is 
undergoing beta testing as we speak. Apparently, Yamaha is very keen 
to make it a winner (sampling, smart card of some kind, 24 bits/96kHz 
(hopefully), better cymbals, etc.).

Ed

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by Paul Bentley

Really Inspector, do you seriously expect me to believe that on 2/9/03 9:12
pm, "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@...> said:

> If you go the Koby route, how'd you like to write a review for us?
> We've known about Koby pads for a long time, but they have absolutely
> no profile in the US. Our UK members could certainly benefit from a
> report.

Ridiculous as it might seem I'd be buying Koby without ever actually seeing
them as they don't sell through dealers. I've spoken to Colin Schofield, who
makes them, a few times, and they were reviewed back in January by Rhythm
magazine. Beyond that I have no idea what they are like, but that's pretty
much the same for Hart, Pintech and ddrum, so buying from them would be a
leap of faith too. If I do buy them I'll certainly post my impression of
them to the list. The overall cost of a kit going this route will be higher
than buying a stock DTXpress. The last price I have for a 5 pad kit and rack
is £549 to which I think I'd have to add VAT at 17.5%.On top of this there's
the cost of cymbals and a brain. It may be beyond my budget. I've tracked
stuff on eBay recently but there's been nothing I'd call a bargain.
 
> DTXpress has a "brushes" kit, but doesn't allow you to play actual
> brushes to trigger the pads. The Roland TD-10, with which I'm
> slightly familiar, does claim to permit the use of brushes, at least
> with certain sounds, but I don't recall that the other Roland models
> do. I don't think that I'd spend the money on a TD-10 just for that
> relatively minor advantage, however, especially if your budget is
> more compatible with the Xpress price.

You're right about my budget! :-) The TD-10 certainly allows you to use
brushes as I've seen Michael Schack demo that feature. I haven't seen him do
the same thing on a mesh head pad using the TD-6 though.

> If the TD-10 and ddrum are anywhere on your map, remember that Yamaha
> is poised to offer a new module to replace the Xtreme; it is
> undergoing beta testing as we speak. Apparently, Yamaha is very keen
> to make it a winner (sampling, smart card of some kind, 24 bits/96kHz
> (hopefully), better cymbals, etc.).

The ddrum entered the frame because Drumbalaya was selling off some kits
which cost around £1,500, an absolute bargain, and I was very tempted
because the sounds seem very good. But I'm not convinced it would be as good
as the Yamaha for me. What's more there are rumours that the ddrum is going
to be upgraded soon too. And I don't think the ddrum support is all that in
the UK either. And yes, I've also heard the rumours about a new killer
Yamaha product. It is bound to be well outside my £1,000 limit budget so I
think I'm looking for the best DTXpress compromise.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback Ed, much appreciated.

pb

Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-02 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bentley <pb@w...> wrote:

> I've spoken to Colin Schofield, who
> makes them, a few times, and they were reviewed back in January by 
Rhythm
> magazine. 

Paul,

Just a thought. If you've already spoken to Schofield, and he knows 
(or can be reminded about) who you are, maybe he'd consider letting 
you audition a kit with an eye toward a review (and an option for you 
to buy it). You could tell him that the review would be circulated 
among 750 list members, and others--some of them from the UK--who are 
eager to learn more about his products from one of their own. Plus he 
could feel free to add any information that he deemed necessary to 
what you wrote. You guys would have to work out the particulars and 
the logistics. Participating with him to some extent would by no 
means have to compromise your integrity; presumably, the kobies are 
good. But if you do have a helpful suggestion or two to make, it 
could prove valuable. I can't imagine that this would hurt his 
business. As I said, just a thought. I know you'd have to buy a 
module first.

Ed

RE: [DTXpress] Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-03 by Creighton Higgins

Grumpy Stewart:
The Pintech Zenbal seems to differ functionally from the Yamaha in that it
takes more of a whack to trigger and it is more difficult to setup such that
a rim hit does not trigger the bow. I did an inadvertent reset a couple of
weeks ago and it took forever to get the thing working as I prefer. This is
my fault for procrastinating on writing down settings. I suspect that
Pintech designs around other modules and my complaint- such as it is- does
not generalize to Roland's brains. I purchased the Pintech because the
Yamaha broke and I (perhaps foolishly and superstitiously) thought that
another Yamaha might break also. I want to own things that don't break,
although so far in life I have been unsuccessful. If business brings you
near Baltimore, you are welcome to lay hands on the offending equipment.

Creighton
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To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S


--- Creighton Higgins wrote:

> I went through the same thing. Opened up the cymbal and
> found nothing obviously amiss and realized I had no
> clue as to how to test the rim switch.

Well, snap. Moved the pads around so it's less of a problem (put it
on a crash/crash rather than the crash/ride, where it was a bit
obvious when I got the wrong voice).

> So... Bought a Zenbal dual zone from the good folks at
> Drumbalaya and use the old Yamaha as a single-zone
> non-choking pad, much like the ride.

A temptation, but until eurodrummer.com gets some momentum and
(hopefully) gets real about prices of Pintech tackle in Europe, that
may have to remain a pipedream. I'd rather wait for a business trip
to the US and take some home with me than pay the standard obscene
pound-for-dollar conversion. And while we're on the topic, what the
heck is pintecheu.com for? It doesn't seem to sell anything, or have
anything visibly different to the main US site. Why bother?

> note: the Zenbal feels and looks good but is very fussy
> about set-up.

That's disappointing to hear. I have worked my way around the
peculiarities of the SE-102 which I use as a main snare. Fussy in
what way?

> I might have been happier buying another Yamaha.

Yeah. Yamaha pads are turning up on eBay in a steady trickle. I
don't dislike 'em enough to do anything rash right now. I need some
other things before I start getting uppity with my cymbals. I'd
rather get a mesh snare first. And a second module before that. And
a ... and a ... [head explodes]

Stewart (who seems to be grumpy at the moment)




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Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-03 by liberatusvirus

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Creighton Higgins" <creighton@l...> 
wrote:
> Grumpy Stewart:
> The Pintech Zenbal seems to differ functionally from the Yamaha in 
that it
> takes more of a whack to trigger and it is more difficult to setup 
such that
> a rim hit does not trigger the bow. 

Creighton and Grumpy Stewart,

My experience with the Zenbal was totally different. Mine was as 
close to plug and play as I could imagine. I don't remember any 
serious rim/bow confusion or trigger failures--at least in comparison 
with other cymbals of its type. Maybe it was the luck of the draw. 
Stephen initially had trouble with his, but now he seems happy. He 
might want to publish his settings.

Ed

Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-03 by moosetication

--- Previously on ER, I wrote:
> Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

I meant PCY80S, of course. Senility really coming on strong, now...

Stewart

Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-03 by brown8700

Creighton and Grumpy Stewart:
Ed's memory is too good. He's right in thinking that I originally had 
problems with my Zenbals. However, I believe that it was ME that had 
the problem and not the equipment. When I purchased my Zenbals, I had 
only been into e-drumming for a few months. My experience with 
trigger settings, etc. for the Zenbals was my first. 

My only problem with the equipment was a rim trigger that stopped 
working after a few months. The offending equipment was returned to 
Pintech and replaced.

The cymbals definitely have a 'sweet spot' on both the bow and edge. 
The closer to the trigger you hit them,the more livelier they are. 
The bow has a wider live area than does the edge.

Having also used the Yamaha cymbals, the Hart E-cymbal and the Roland 
CY-6, the Pintech Zenbals are my weapon of choice.

I'm at work right now so I don't have my exact settings. However, I 
believe the pad type I used for them is Misc 2 and the voice is set 
at Loud 2. The gain is probably in the 90%-95% range and the Minimum 
Velocity somewhere in the 15%-20% range.

Stephen

Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S

2003-09-03 by moosetication

--- Stephen wrote:
> The cymbals definitely have a 'sweet spot' on both the
> bow and edge. The closer to the trigger you hit them
> the more livelier they are.

Hmm. Much like the SE-102 pad then. I've learned to live with that. 
Actually comes in handy for ghost notes.

Stewart

[DTXpress] Life span of pads and cymbals (was Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S)

2003-09-05 by Paul Bentley

Really Inspector, do you seriously expect me to believe that on 3/9/03 4:00
pm, "Creighton Higgins" <creighton@...> said:

> I purchased the Pintech because the Yamaha broke and I (perhaps foolishly and
> superstitiously) thought that another Yamaha might break also. I want to own
> things that don't break, although so far in life I have been unsuccessful. If
> business brings you near Baltimore, you are welcome to lay hands on the
> offending equipment.

This of course raises the question of how long the various parts of the kits
are lasting on average? Roland in the UK offer a three year warranty with
their products (although Roland operate a pan European dealership agreement
this warranty is just for UK bought equipment.) Of course we pay far more
for everything here to start with so they aren't being that generous but it
seems to hint that most items made by Roland at least stand a fair chance of
surviving three years. I just looked all over the Yamaha site but couldn't
see any mention of warranty at all so I'm assuming in the UK it is the
standard one year. Hart offer a lifetime guarantee So how old were all these
broken bits that are appearing on the list - older than three years?

pb

Life span of pads and cymbals (was Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S)

2003-09-05 by moosetication

--- Paul Bentley wrote:
> So how old were all these broken bits that are
> appearing on the list - older than three years?

Don't know, I'm afraid - I bought my PCY80S pads used from eBay. I 
can find out from the seller, if you want.

Stewart

Re: [DTXpress] Life span of pads and cymbals (was Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S)

2003-09-05 by Paul Bentley

Really Inspector, do you seriously expect me to believe that on 5/9/03 11:13
am, "moosetication" <moosetication@...> said:

> --- Paul Bentley wrote:
>> So how old were all these broken bits that are
>> appearing on the list - older than three years?
> 
> Don't know, I'm afraid - I bought my PCY80S pads used from eBay. I
> can find out from the seller, if you want.

I've posed the question because it was the various postings about failures,
wear on bass drum pads etc, that first prompted me to think of creating a
hybrid kit rather than buying a stock DTXpress. I would hazard a guess that
the DTXpress is probably the biggest selling electronic kit because it is
the most affordable. However if within a short space of time most people
look to upgrade parts, or you can expect high wear parts like cymbals to
fail around the three year period, while the short term purchase price was
low , the long term ownership price is high - if you see what I mean!
Pulling together a hybrid kit is a lot more hassle, but could be cheaper in
the long run.

Maybe if enough listers are interested this could be a list questionnaire?

pb

Life span of pads and cymbals (was Re: Bust rim switch on TP80S)

2003-09-05 by moosetication

--- Paul Bentley wrote:
> However if within a short space of time most people
> look to upgrade parts...

People like me don't *necessarily* upgrade because they're 
dissatisfied with the gear - it's just the way we're made!

But your point is valid, nonetheless.

Stewart

RE: [DTXpress] Life span of pads and cymbals (was Re: Bust rim switchon TP80S)

2003-09-05 by Creighton Higgins

pb wrote: "So how old were all these
broken bits that are appearing on the list - older than three years?"

I purchased a floor model from Mars Music shortly before they went belly up.
I have no idea what abuse they took for how long, so my experience is
objectively useless. My kick pad failed early on, which was common with the
first edition. I believe I have the second edition of the DTXpressI, but I
am not sure how to be sure. The mystery component to me is the FSR which
appeared intact as far as solder and connector are concerned. I wonder if
this part is vulnerable to wear or failure. If so- failure would likely be
common to all brands.
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To: DTXpress
Subject: [DTXpress] Life span of pads and cymbals (was Re: Bust rim
switchon TP80S)


Really Inspector, do you seriously expect me to believe that on 3/9/03 4:00
pm, "Creighton Higgins" <creighton@...> said:

> I purchased the Pintech because the Yamaha broke and I (perhaps foolishly
and
> superstitiously) thought that another Yamaha might break also. I want to
own
> things that don't break, although so far in life I have been unsuccessful.
If
> business brings you near Baltimore, you are welcome to lay hands on the
> offending equipment.

This of course raises the question of how long the various parts of the kits
are lasting on average? Roland in the UK offer a three year warranty with
their products (although Roland operate a pan European dealership agreement
this warranty is just for UK bought equipment.) Of course we pay far more
for everything here to start with so they aren't being that generous but it
seems to hint that most items made by Roland at least stand a fair chance of
surviving three years. I just looked all over the Yamaha site but couldn't
see any mention of warranty at all so I'm assuming in the UK it is the
standard one year. Hart offer a lifetime guarantee So how old were all these
broken bits that are appearing on the list - older than three years?

pb



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