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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Scheidler
>
> I've written several sequencers for my PSIM, and for a time spent a lot of
> hours trying to find a way to allow the program to store information
> onboard. For example, to take the 64 note values that I had recorded
> (into an array) and push them into the PSIM's memory so that they would
> stay there even after power was removed. Then when powered up, the
> program would grab those 64 stored values and plug them back into the
> array.
>
> I dinked around with PEEK and POKE but never got anywhere. Is this
> possible to do with the PSIM? If not, is it something that the new module
> might be capable of?
>
> Andrew
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Loffink
>
> The BASIC ATOM PRO's Renasas 3664 processor has 32K of Flash, but it is
> only
> rated at 1000 write cycles. Storing user data there isn't recommended.
>
> We'd have to add some external Flash memory. SPI based Flash reduces pin
> count. Do we even have a chip select pin left? An Atmel SPI 64K x 8 Flash
> is only $1.40, but it only comes in SOIC-8 packages. Therre are no
> through
> hole versions.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > Scheidler
> >
> > I've written several sequencers for my PSIM, and for a time spent a lot
> of
> > hours trying to find a way to allow the program to store information
> > onboard. For example, to take the 64 note values that I had recorded
> > (into an array) and push them into the PSIM's memory so that they would
> > stay there even after power was removed. Then when powered up, the
> > program would grab those 64 stored values and plug them back into the
> > array.
> >
> > I dinked around with PEEK and POKE but never got anywhere. Is this
> > possible to do with the PSIM? If not, is it something that the new
> module
> > might be capable of?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >

--- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@...> wrote:
>
> The BASIC ATOM PRO's Renasas 3664 processor has 32K of Flash, but it is only
> rated at 1000 write cycles. Storing user data there isn't recommended.
>
> We'd have to add some external Flash memory. SPI based Flash reduces pin
> count. Do we even have a chip select pin left? An Atmel SPI 64K x 8 Flash
> is only $1.40, but it only comes in SOIC-8 packages. Therre are no through
> hole versions.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > Scheidler
> >
> > I've written several sequencers for my PSIM, and for a time spent a lot of
> > hours trying to find a way to allow the program to store information
> > onboard. For example, to take the 64 note values that I had recorded
> > (into an array) and push them into the PSIM's memory so that they would
> > stay there even after power was removed. Then when powered up, the
> > program would grab those 64 stored values and plug them back into the
> > array.
> >
> > I dinked around with PEEK and POKE but never got anywhere. Is this
> > possible to do with the PSIM? If not, is it something that the new module
> > might be capable of?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Richter
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:58 PM
> To: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ComputerVoltageSources] Re: Storage
>
> If you look at the Basic Atom Pro 28M description, it mentions adding 32K
> of EEPROM on
> the carrier board, included in the price.
>
> --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink"

--- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, I missed that since it is only on the web page description. It would
> be nice if they published the spec for the 28M device, since they are
> selling it. That needs to be considered for the CVS designs, because you
> need to know which pins are allocated for memory access.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>

> The Speakjet is cute, no doubt about it. A voice synthesizer is a
> bunch of fun, even if the highest frequency out is 8 KHz.

> I wish that new MOOG in a chip was further along. I really like
> the idea of having some kind of synth right on the PCB for the
> circuit bending. build it into a manakins head crowd, They make
> me smile.

On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Grant Richter wrote:
This may come at the expense of some digital funtions. I may have to
sacrifice a pin for
chip select. Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket on
the main CVS PC
board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?

My vote is for not having a dedicated Speakjet socket in favor of
more inputs + outputs. In my opinion, the chip isn't useful enough
to warrant having it's own dedicated socket on the main board. It
should definitely be an add-on.

-Henry


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> ...
> Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket on the main CVS PC
> board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?

> Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket on the main CVS PC
> board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?

On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Grant Richter wrote:

> Hit "unwrap lines" above so this doesn't look jumbled.
>
> OK, to clarify the difference between Basic Atom Pro 24M and 28M.
>
> The pinouts are the same as far as power pins etc. So a socket can
> accept either 24 or 28
> version without needing jumpers. Just more I/O pins are added at
> then end.
>
> The 32K of EEPROM is 32K BITS, which is only 4096 BYTES. Still very
> handy. See the "Read"
> and "Write" commands in the software manual (quote from Nathan).
>
> The additional 4 pins added on the bottom are 4 more A/D inputs, so
> the device could
> support 8 analog voltage inputs with no multiplexors. Whoo HA! One
> option is to decicate
> some of the 4 analog inputs to fixed functions like cursor control
> or some kind of user
> interface?
>
> Like using a knob with 10 hardware detents to select 10 software
> options?
> It might be possible to support some kind of performance interface
> using a force sensing
> resitor? The processor is there to od the math to extract the X,Y
> and Z data.
>
> That makes me want to put two sockets for quad DACs with a chip
> select to give 8 voltage
> outputs.
>
> This may come at the expense of some digital funtions. I may have
> to sacrifice a pin for
> chip select. Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket
> on the main CVS PC
> board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?
>
> The Speakjet is cute, no doubt about it. A voice synthesizer is a
> bunch of fun, even if the
> highest frequency out is 8 KHz. I wish that new MOOG in a chip was
> further along. I really
> like the idea of having some kind of synth right on the PCB for the
> circuit bending. build it
> into a manakins head crowd, They make me smile.
>
> ALSO:
>
> He is hand building prototypes of the 40 pin version of the Basic
> Atom Pro 40M now. This
> is upgraded to a 20 Mhz clock (from 18) and uses the bigger 3687
> part rather than current
> 3664. He says at least 6 months to a years till it is available but
> recommends using a 40
> pin footprint for any new board. The Basic Micro (PIC based) 40m
> can be bought now.
>
> Slower, but maybe with a enough I/O pins to read a MIni-Wave Prom
> for complex envelope
> storage.
>
> --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink"
> <jloffink@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm, I missed that since it is only on the web page
> description. It would
> > be nice if they published the spec for the 28M device, since they
> are
> > selling it. That needs to be considered for the CVS designs,
> because you
> > need to know which pins are allocated for memory access.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Bissell Jr"

> YOU mentioned the SpeakJet ???
>
> Please have it ridicule you, on my behalf... :^P
>
> "Talk to the chip, the hand is tired..."
>
> H^) harry (yes to more I/O, no to speakjet :^)


To paraphrase Maxwell Smart, "I told you not to mention that."

Talk to the chip, via the shoe phone. ;-)
--
john (missed it by *that* much!)

>
> YOU mentioned the SpeakJet ???
>
> Please have it ridicule you, on my behalf... :^P
>
> "Talk to the chip, the hand is tired..."
>
> H^) harry (yes to more I/O, no to speakjet :^)
>
> john mahoney <jmahoney@...> wrote: > ...
> > Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket on the main CVS PC
> > board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?
>
> I'd much rather have 8 ins and outs. (Forget that I ever mentioned the
> SpeakJet. ;-)
>
> A writeable store would be fabulous, too. Optional would be even better.
>
> A display would be most useful, especially for a general purpose
> (non-dedicated) device. Allowing the display to be an option is the bee's
> knees. And, as Grant said, using MIDI Sysex was a brilliant hack by Dave.
>
> A bare bones CVS will find its way into dedicated modules, so we really want
> that to be our baseline, IMHO. (And I really mean "in my HUMBLE opinion," as
> I am happily humbled by this ersatz committee.)
> --
> john
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Richter
>
> The additional 4 pins added on the bottom are 4 more A/D inputs, so the
> device could
> support 8 analog voltage inputs with no multiplexors. Whoo HA! One option
> is to decicate
> some of the 4 analog inputs to fixed functions like cursor control or some
> kind of user
> interface?
>
> Like using a knob with 10 hardware detents to select 10 software options?
> It might be possible to support some kind of performance interface using a
> force sensing
> resitor? The processor is there to od the math to extract the X,Y and Z
> data.
>
> That makes me want to put two sockets for quad DACs with a chip select to
> give 8 voltage
> outputs.
>
> This may come at the expense of some digital funtions. I may have to
> sacrifice a pin for
> chip select. Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket on the
> main CVS PC
> board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?
>
> The Speakjet is cute, no doubt about it. A voice synthesizer is a bunch of
> fun, even if the
> highest frequency out is 8 KHz. I wish that new MOOG in a chip was further
> along. I really
> like the idea of having some kind of synth right on the PCB for the
> circuit bending. build it
> into a manakins head crowd, They make me smile.
>
> ALSO:

>>> jloffink@... 03/16/06 7:44 PM >>>

>

>
> My vote is for not having a dedicated Speakjet socket in favor of
> more inputs + outputs. In my opinion, the chip isn't useful enough
> to warrant having it's own dedicated socket on the main board. It
> should definitely be an add-on.
>
> -Henry
>

> I still wish we could put a little noise chip on the
> CVS board so it could be a truely stand
> alone electronium. Are we sure there isn't a cheap
> I2C or SPI noise maker chip or
> something?
> How about a cell phone ring tone chip? Or a video
> game noise chip? Maybe a frequency
> synthesizer with an SPI programming port?

> I still wish we could put a little noise chip on the
> CVS board

> Maybe a frequency
> synthesizer with an SPI programming port?

>
> Hit "unwrap lines" above so this doesn't look jumbled.
>
> OK, to clarify the difference between Basic Atom Pro 24M and 28M.
>
> The pinouts are the same as far as power pins etc. So a socket can

> version without needing jumpers. Just more I/O pins are added at

>
> The 32K of EEPROM is 32K BITS, which is only 4096 BYTES. Still very

> and "Write" commands in the software manual (quote from Nathan).
>
> The additional 4 pins added on the bottom are 4 more A/D inputs, so

> support 8 analog voltage inputs with no multiplexors. Whoo HA! One

> some of the 4 analog inputs to fixed functions like cursor control

> interface?
>
> Like using a knob with 10 hardware detents to select 10 software

> It might be possible to support some kind of performance interface

> resitor? The processor is there to od the math to extract the X,Y

>
> That makes me want to put two sockets for quad DACs with a chip

> outputs.
>
> This may come at the expense of some digital funtions. I may have to

> chip select. Are we FOR SURE dedicated to having a Speakjet socket

> board? Or would we rather have 8 analog inputs and 8 analog outputs?
>
> The Speakjet is cute, no doubt about it. A voice synthesizer is a

> highest frequency out is 8 KHz. I wish that new MOOG in a chip was

> like the idea of having some kind of synth right on the PCB for the

> into a manakins head crowd, They make me smile.
>
> ALSO:
>
> He is hand building prototypes of the 40 pin version of the Basic

> is upgraded to a 20 Mhz clock (from 18) and uses the bigger 3687

> 3664. He says at least 6 months to a years till it is available but

> pin footprint for any new board. The Basic Micro (PIC based) 40m can

>
> Slower, but maybe with a enough I/O pins to read a MIni-Wave Prom

> storage.
>
> --- In ComputerVoltageSources@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink"

> >
> > Hmmm, I missed that since it is only on the web page description.

> > be nice if they published the spec for the 28M device, since they are
> > selling it. That needs to be considered for the CVS designs,

> > need to know which pins are allocated for memory access.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
>

>
>
> I still wish we could put a little noise chip on the CVS board so it

> alone electronium. Are we sure there isn't a cheap I2C or SPI noise

> something?
> How about a cell phone ring tone chip? Or a video game noise chip?

> synthesizer with an SPI programming port?
>
> Any ideas?
>

>
>
> You mean something like these:
>
> http://www.okisemi.com/english/ml2870.htm
> http://www.necel.com/mobile/melody/en/product/pd9971.html
>
> and many others. The trouble is that they're all
> surface-mount, usually BGA and probably only available
> in qty 10000+. Neat idea though...
>
> Eric
>
> --- Grant Richter <grichter@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I still wish we could put a little noise chip on the
> > CVS board so it could be a truely stand
> > alone electronium. Are we sure there isn't a cheap
> > I2C or SPI noise maker chip or
> > something?
> > How about a cell phone ring tone chip? Or a video
> > game noise chip? Maybe a frequency
> > synthesizer with an SPI programming port?
>
>
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