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Bass

Bass

2004-04-06 by Aaron

Hey everyone
Notice when you get out a nice sub bass to play with the mixer meter 
shows most of the sound on the left channel. I mean the left channel 
is like 6db higher then the right channel. But when you have the 
headphones on it sounds very centered. Is it maybe the sub harmonics 
are on that side and they just to sub bassy to even notice cuz i 
dunno what else it could be. Any suggestions? And also if you know 
how to fix this without haveing to pan it cuz then it sounds 
uncentered when it really is.

RE: [AN1x] Bass

2004-04-07 by Ed Edwards

> Notice when you get out a nice sub bass to play with the mixer meter
> shows most of the sound on the left channel.

Now here's inspiration to get to the studio and try out...  IIRC there may
be a factory patch "Sub Sub" (or maybe I pinched it from our group's patch
files) --- anyway, on first thought I've gotta say "Huh?".

Remember you can set a global effects off.  Try this and see if things
improve.  Or, try one of the generic patches you can create under #130 (page
97 of the manual) as a bass sound and then check the meter.

All this is to politely say that it might be an EBKAC error of some sort.

Ed Edwards
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Re: Bass

2004-04-07 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> Hey everyone
> Notice when you get out a nice sub bass to play with the mixer 
meter 
> shows most of the sound on the left channel. I mean the left 
channel 
> is like 6db higher then the right channel. But when you have the 
> headphones on it sounds very centered. Is it maybe the sub 
harmonics 
> are on that side and they just to sub bassy to even notice cuz i 
> dunno what else it could be. Any suggestions? And also if you know 
> how to fix this without haveing to pan it cuz then it sounds 
> uncentered when it really is.

Is the problem limited to just the one Voice or many Voices? Is it 
limited to a discrepency between left/right levels or is your AN1x 
suffering from distortion too?

Some years ago there had been a known problem with unwanted audio 
artifacts appearing at the AN1x outputs - this was acknowledged by 
Yamaha and could be corrected by a 'factory modification' performed 
by returning the unit to Yamaha.  The distortion, or 'popping' 
and 'crackling' as it was known, was not an uncommon complaint but 
I'm uncertain how to confirm this is indeed what ails your AN1x. It 
is of course possible the two are unrelated.

Jon

Bass

2004-04-07 by Aaron

No it does it on more then one keyboard its very strange and i know 
my mixer and keyboard are working just fine. it only does it on sub 
basses like a 808 kick used in rap alot. or any sub type of bass and 
its almost like key tracked because the lower i go the more it pulls 
to the left. it dosent do it with saw basses just the low resonant 
sub type stuff im thinking maybe something to do with harmonics but 
i dont know.

Re: [AN1x] Bass

2004-04-07 by Ed Edwards

Hey Aaron,
  I'm truly interested in this, and will check it out this weekend.  I was
just kidding about the EBKAC thing.

Test results pending.......

Bass

2004-04-08 by Aaron

(Laughs) Ok thanks 

aaron

Re: Bass

2004-04-08 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> No it does it on more then one keyboard its very strange and i know 
> my mixer and keyboard are working just fine. it only does it on sub 
> basses like a 808 kick used in rap alot. or any sub type of bass and 
> its almost like key tracked because the lower i go the more it pulls 
> to the left. it dosent do it with saw basses just the low resonant 
> sub type stuff im thinking maybe something to do with harmonics but 
> i dont know.

Are you perhaps unintentionally using a Delay or Pan Effect setting?

Jon

Re: Bass

2004-04-08 by Aaron

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> > No it does it on more then one keyboard its very strange and i 
know 
> > my mixer and keyboard are working just fine. it only does it on 
sub 
> > basses like a 808 kick used in rap alot. or any sub type of bass 
and 
> > its almost like key tracked because the lower i go the more it 
pulls 
> > to the left. it dosent do it with saw basses just the low 
resonant 
> > sub type stuff im thinking maybe something to do with harmonics 
but 
> > i dont know.
> 
> Are you perhaps unintentionally using a Delay or Pan Effect 
setting?
> 
> Jon


Nope , strange huh? theres just gotta be something im doing wrong i 
guess.


aaron

Re: Bass

2004-04-10 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > Are you perhaps unintentionally using a Delay or Pan Effect 
> setting?
> > 
> > Jon
> 
> 
> Nope , strange huh? theres just gotta be something im doing wrong i 
> guess.
> 
> 
> aaron

Are you able to dump your Voice and upload it to the Files Section. Perhpas then one 
of us can determine if this behavior is specific to the Voice or your AN1x?

Jon

Re: Bass

2004-04-10 by Aaron

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > Are you perhaps unintentionally using a Delay or Pan Effect 
> > setting?
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > 
> > 
> > Nope , strange huh? theres just gotta be something im doing 
wrong i 
> > guess.
> > 
> > 
> > aaron
> 
> Are you able to dump your Voice and upload it to the Files 
Section. Perhpas then one 
> of us can determine if this behavior is specific to the Voice or 
your AN1x?
> 
> Jon

I got so many patches ide love to post but i need to get a midi 
interface. And while i got the subject up about midi interfaces , 
what kind of midi interface would you recommend me getting? I am now 
starting to really get into soft synths and im thinkin about using 
the AN1x as a controller with native instruments absynth and also 
with nuendo and im looking for 0 latency with the midi hookup. So 
what kind of midi interface out there will offer 0 latency between 
my AN1x and my computer?


Aaron

Re: Bass

2004-04-10 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > Are you able to dump your Voice and upload it to the Files 
> Section. Perhpas then one 
> > of us can determine if this behavior is specific to the Voice or 
> your AN1x?
> > 
> > Jon
> 
> I got so many patches ide love to post but i need to get a midi 
> interface. And while i got the subject up about midi interfaces , 
> what kind of midi interface would you recommend me getting?

I would always recommend you stick with the same brand as whatever Audio/MIDI 
sequencer application you either use today or plan to use becasue there are often 
advantages to such a combination, i.e., proprietrary time stamping mechanisms 
which reduce MIDI slop in large MIDI set-ups (more than four hardware synths/
modules), enhanced patch management/filtering options, and tighter intergration 
with synchrnozation features used to slave software with a variety of hardware 
specifications.

That said, here are some generalizations to keep in mind:

Emagic is now an Appe subsidiary and while I don't doubt their AMT and Unitor MIDI 
Interfaces still work with various flavors of Windows I wouldn't anticipate ongoing 
support. I'm using a MT4 with no problems under OS X (also works under OS 9.)

Steinberg is well known for decent Win supprt but their word of mouth on Mac 
support right now is dodgy - no doubt the truth lies somewhere between the two 
extremes. I don't know the details of their MIDIEX line but no doubt the features are 
comparable to Emagic - for obvious reasons.

MOTU has alsways been solid on the Mac platform - less so on the Win side of the 
fence. That said, I know more than one Win users happily using a MIDIExpress with 
*many* hardware synths.

MIDIMAN - their USB support under Win was always better than their Mac support but 
this really seems to have approved under OS X. Heck, it's even improved under OS 9. 
Theire stuff seems to work with just about everything and they have a wide variety of 
models - none of which are priced out of the ballpark. Just keep in mind a MIDIMAN 
MIDI Interface will NOT exploit any of the vendor specific features which make hw/sw 
combo's so attractive (see above comments.)

I would strongly encourage you to chose a multiport MIDI Inteface, i.e., 2x2, 4x4, 
4x6, etc. so you have some room to grow as you add more hardware to your set-up.


 I am now 
> starting to really get into soft synths and im thinkin about using 
> the AN1x as a controller with native instruments absynth and also 
> with nuendo and im looking for 0 latency with the midi hookup. So 
> what kind of midi interface out there will offer 0 latency between 
> my AN1x and my computer?

There will *always* be some latency between your MIDI Hardware and Software - it's 
inherent in the nature of a serial protocol such as MIDI. That said, their are 
proprietary time stamping technologies used by each of the major vendors which 
minimize the ill affects of MIDI slop in large MIDI set-ups. It will be of little to no 
value in a set-up with a single hardware synth/controller. If you've already invested 
heavily in Nuendo than I would suggest you spend more on a Steinberg MIDI 
Interface.

The *real* culprit of latency which affects softsynths such as Absynth is restricted to 
the Audio driver in use - I suspect you're using either ASIO or CoreAudio? - in 
combination with the System Bus speed of your Computer. Example, my 'G4' 
PowerMac is actually a RevA G3 that's been upgraded with a ZIF processor but the 
System Bus still  runs at a pokey 66 MHz - using CoreAudio with a MOTU 828 the 
best response I can get _without adverse audio artifacts_ uses the 512 buffer size. I 
*can* drop the Buffer Size lower and notice a slight imporvement in reponse but the 
sound will distort and break up after tracking for awhile hence the larger buffer size.

I would advise you to search out the Cubase.net forums and determine what 
configurations other users with similar set-ups are using. Nuendo is a serious 
investment of time and money, why would you NOT spend more money on the 
necessary peripherals to get the most out of it?

Jon

Re: Bass

2004-04-10 by Aaron

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > Are you able to dump your Voice and upload it to the Files 
> > Section. Perhpas then one 
> > > of us can determine if this behavior is specific to the Voice 
or 
> > your AN1x?
> > > 
> > > Jon
> > 
> > I got so many patches ide love to post but i need to get a midi 
> > interface. And while i got the subject up about midi 
interfaces , 
> > what kind of midi interface would you recommend me getting?
> 
> I would always recommend you stick with the same brand as whatever 
Audio/MIDI 
> sequencer application you either use today or plan to use becasue 
there are often 
> advantages to such a combination, i.e., proprietrary time stamping 
mechanisms 
> which reduce MIDI slop in large MIDI set-ups (more than four 
hardware synths/
> modules), enhanced patch management/filtering options, and tighter 
intergration 
> with synchrnozation features used to slave software with a variety 
of hardware 
> specifications.
> 
> That said, here are some generalizations to keep in mind:
> 
> Emagic is now an Appe subsidiary and while I don't doubt their AMT 
and Unitor MIDI 
> Interfaces still work with various flavors of Windows I wouldn't 
anticipate ongoing 
> support. I'm using a MT4 with no problems under OS X (also works 
under OS 9.)
> 
> Steinberg is well known for decent Win supprt but their word of 
mouth on Mac 
> support right now is dodgy - no doubt the truth lies somewhere 
between the two 
> extremes. I don't know the details of their MIDIEX line but no 
doubt the features are 
> comparable to Emagic - for obvious reasons.
> 
> MOTU has alsways been solid on the Mac platform - less so on the 
Win side of the 
> fence. That said, I know more than one Win users happily using a 
MIDIExpress with 
> *many* hardware synths.
> 
> MIDIMAN - their USB support under Win was always better than their 
Mac support but 
> this really seems to have approved under OS X. Heck, it's even 
improved under OS 9. 
> Theire stuff seems to work with just about everything and they 
have a wide variety of 
> models - none of which are priced out of the ballpark. Just keep 
in mind a MIDIMAN 
> MIDI Interface will NOT exploit any of the vendor specific 
features which make hw/sw 
> combo's so attractive (see above comments.)
> 
> I would strongly encourage you to chose a multiport MIDI Inteface, 
i.e., 2x2, 4x4, 
> 4x6, etc. so you have some room to grow as you add more hardware 
to your set-up.
> 
> 
>  I am now 
> > starting to really get into soft synths and im thinkin about 
using 
> > the AN1x as a controller with native instruments absynth and 
also 
> > with nuendo and im looking for 0 latency with the midi hookup. 
So 
> > what kind of midi interface out there will offer 0 latency 
between 
> > my AN1x and my computer?
> 
> There will *always* be some latency between your MIDI Hardware and 
Software - it's 
> inherent in the nature of a serial protocol such as MIDI. That 
said, their are 
> proprietary time stamping technologies used by each of the major 
vendors which 
> minimize the ill affects of MIDI slop in large MIDI set-ups. It 
will be of little to no 
> value in a set-up with a single hardware synth/controller. If 
you've already invested 
> heavily in Nuendo than I would suggest you spend more on a 
Steinberg MIDI 
> Interface.
> 
> The *real* culprit of latency which affects softsynths such as 
Absynth is restricted to 
> the Audio driver in use - I suspect you're using either ASIO or 
CoreAudio? - in 
> combination with the System Bus speed of your Computer. Example, 
my 'G4' 
> PowerMac is actually a RevA G3 that's been upgraded with a ZIF 
processor but the 
> System Bus still  runs at a pokey 66 MHz - using CoreAudio with a 
MOTU 828 the 
> best response I can get _without adverse audio artifacts_ uses the 
512 buffer size. I 
> *can* drop the Buffer Size lower and notice a slight imporvement 
in reponse but the 
> sound will distort and break up after tracking for awhile hence 
the larger buffer size.
> 
> I would advise you to search out the Cubase.net forums and 
determine what 
> configurations other users with similar set-ups are using. Nuendo 
is a serious 
> investment of time and money, why would you NOT spend more money 
on the 
> necessary peripherals to get the most out of it?
> 
> Jon

Good point jon,

I will have to do some reading and talking with people so i can get 
my setup going. I cant wait to start geting those tracks in nuendo. 
As far as buffer sizes and this and that i have no clue as in how to 
set it up. So yes i am a newbie in PC recording but i have got to 
start somewere. I have a dell dimension 4500 256mb ram and a pentium 
4 processor. right now i still have the ''stock'' audio card but im 
looking to matbe firewire it all together, i hear firewire is a good 
way to go and less latency then audio cards but i may have heard 
wrong. what do you think about a MAudio Firewire Audiophile 2496 
Audio Interface? 


aaron

Re: Bass

2004-04-12 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron" <aaronrash@e...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> > I would advise you to search out the Cubase.net forums and 
> determine what 
> > configurations other users with similar set-ups are using. Nuendo 
> is a serious 
> > investment of time and money, why would you NOT spend more money 
> on the 
> > necessary peripherals to get the most out of it?
> > 
> > Jon
> 
> Good point jon,
> 
> I will have to do some reading and talking with people so i can get 
> my setup going. I cant wait to start geting those tracks in nuendo. 
> As far as buffer sizes and this and that i have no clue as in how to 
> set it up. So yes i am a newbie in PC recording but i have got to 
> start somewere. I have a dell dimension 4500 256mb ram and a pentium 
> 4 processor. 

You need to buy more RAM before anything else...I can't believe you're happy running 
Nuendo in 256MB RAM...and you need a second hard drive for audio...

right now i still have the ''stock'' audio card but im 
> looking to matbe firewire it all together, i hear firewire is a good 
> way to go and less latency then audio cards but i may have heard 
> wrong. what do you think about a MAudio Firewire Audiophile 2496 
> Audio Interface? 
> 

First of all, using a Firewire Audio Interface will place a slight amount of overhead on 
your CPU as opposed to using a PCI based card. That said, the amount in most 
instance will not be that great. You should check the forums from Cubase.net and see 
what kind of performace others are experiecing using a similar configuration. Second, 
the M Audio simply does not have enough I/O to handle all your kit. It's okay for a 
portable solution but I wouldn't base a home set-up around it (besies, they run hot 
and have crappy knobs.) Instead, look at a 'real' audio interface from http://
www.rme-audio.com/ or http://www.motu.com/ You've already spent a lot of money 
on Nuendo, right? Why cut corners on the I/O...

Jon

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