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2002-10-27 by spaceanimals
I understand that the AN1X uses physical modeling for most of its synth functions. What synth did they use for the model? I got a chance to hear Reason, a software synth. The filters on it sound very realistic, as do the AN1X but different. Rainbow Jimmy http://www.mp3.com/spaceanimals http://www.spaceanimals.com
2002-10-27 by Bruce Wahler
Hi Jimmy, >I understand that the AN1X uses physical modeling for most of its >synth functions. What synth did they use for the model? I got a >chance to hear Reason, a software synth. The filters on it sound very >realistic, as do the AN1X but different. When they talk of "physical modeling," they mean it in a different sense: mathematical modeling. Everything that happens in nature -- movement, sound, electron flow -- follows basic laws of physics, and can be described (or very nearly so) by a mathematical formula, plus a set of initial conditions; i.e., the way the item was held, pushed,etc. when the event started. When I was in engineering college we studied what makes a guitar string vibrate. Using fairly complex math, you can accurately predict how a real string vibrates on a guitar, even predicting things like the sound's increase in high harmonics as one presses closer to the bridge. This process is called 'mathematical modeling,' and is often used to study events that happen in nature, but are difficult to witness. Once the mathematical model for a guitar string, a saxophone reed, or an analog circuit is known, all that is required to simulate that instrument is a computer with enough processing power to solve the math in real time -- or a set of digital logic that is tuned to solving a few specific mathematical problems at high speed. The first example is what computer programs like Native Instruments' Pro-52 and B-4 use; the second example is what dedicated physical modeling synths are. In fact, analog synths are easier to model than acoustic instruments like pianos and clarinets, because their waveforms are fairly simple and repeatable. This is not to say that the AN1x wasn't modeled (in the sense of "copied") after some of the classic analog synthesizers of the 70's and 80's. It seems to be a mix of Moog, ARP, and Roland features, with maybe a little Sequential Circuits thrown in. The basic architecture is very Jupiter-line, IMHO. Regards, -BW -- Bruce Wahler Design Consultant Ashby Solutions\ufffd http://consult.ashbysolutions.com 978.386.7389 voice/fax bruce@...
2002-10-28 by Ed Edwards
I like Bruce's take on the sounds but it would be really fun to hear from someone who actually designed the synth. I was crying for years on the Midi Guitar list trying to find a bi-lingual engineer type who could translate some Japanese... and one gentleman finally popped up. I'll ask him if he can find the 411 from Yammamahahaha themselves. I had the review from Keyboard back in '97 and they didn't mention anything I recall about the design parameters - for that matter, none of the VA synths discussed had any info on the modeling parameters. Ed Edwards Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdRetro-Progressive Rock\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/227/ezekiels_wheel.html \ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd.\ufffd\ufffd
2002-10-28 by Bastiaan van de Werk
I allways thought they used the prophet as a 'template' for the an1x...never heard a real prophet so I couldn't really tell you if it sounds anyting alike.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Edwards
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling
I like Bruce's take on the sounds but it would be really fun to hear from
someone who actually designed the synth. I was crying for years on the Midi
Guitar list trying to find a bi-lingual engineer type who could translate
some Japanese... and one gentleman finally popped up. I'll ask him if he
can find the 411 from Yammamahahaha themselves.
I had the review from Keyboard back in '97 and they didn't mention anything
I recall about the design parameters - for that matter, none of the VA
synths discussed had any info on the modeling parameters.
Ed Edwards
Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel »»»»Retro-Progressive Rock««««
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-10-28 by xpander
You may be thinking of the Nord Lead 1 (Which had many Prophet 5 factory patches released for it).
On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 02:11 AM, Bastiaan van de Werk wrote: > I allways thought they used the prophet as a 'template' for the > an1x...never heard a real prophet so I couldn't really tell you if it > sounds anyting alike. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Edwards > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:49 AM > Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling > > > I like Bruce's take on the sounds but it would be really fun to hear > from > someone who actually designed the synth. I was crying for years on > the Midi > Guitar list trying to find a bi-lingual engineer type who could > translate > some Japanese... and one gentleman finally popped up. I'll ask him > if he > can find the 411 from Yammamahahaha themselves. > > I had the review from Keyboard back in '97 and they didn't mention > anything > I recall about the design parameters - for that matter, none of the > VA > synths discussed had any info on the modeling parameters. > > Ed Edwards > Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel »»»»Retro-Progressive Rock«««« > http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/227/ezekiels_wheel.html > °·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·° > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Home Selling? Try Us! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/jd3IAA/QnLolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Community email addresses: > Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-10-28 by Chada, Jaish
I always thought the AN1x filter algorithms were modelled after the Prophet 5. Didn't Yamaha buy Sequential off Korg? It just rings a bell from the Prophet VS and Yamaha's Vector synth line...like the SY22 from a couple of years, prior? -Jaish
-----Original Message----- From: Ed Edwards [mailto:edward.edwards@...] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:50 PM To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling I like Bruce's take on the sounds but it would be really fun to hear from someone who actually designed the synth. I was crying for years on the Midi Guitar list trying to find a bi-lingual engineer type who could translate some Japanese... and one gentleman finally popped up. I'll ask him if he can find the 411 from Yammamahahaha themselves. I had the review from Keyboard back in '97 and they didn't mention anything I recall about the design parameters - for that matter, none of the VA synths discussed had any info on the modeling parameters. Ed Edwards Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel »»»»Retro-Progressive Rock«««« http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/227/ezekiels_wheel.html °·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·°·.·° <font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> <p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.</p> <p> Ce courriel est confidentiel et protégé. L'expéditeur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) désigné(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immédiatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen.</p> <p>====================================================</p> </font> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-10-28 by Chada, Jaish
From my previous post, I think Ed (bastiaan) is right. The Nord Lead DID have a lot of Prophet 5 patches, and Clavia were one of (or THE) first to produce a VIRTUAL Analogue synth. SO, since most companies jumped on to start a trend, it makes sense that Yamaha, rather than outright copying the Nord Lead, would have said, "Hey we know Sequential's Secrets and can do a better job of a Prophet 5 emulation or any other analogue for that matter" and produced the AN1x. Well, that's my conspiracy theory. -Jaish
-----Original Message----- From: xpander [mailto:xpander@...] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:25 AM To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling You may be thinking of the Nord Lead 1 (Which had many Prophet 5 factory patches released for it). On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 02:11 AM, Bastiaan van de Werk wrote: > I allways thought they used the prophet as a 'template' for the > an1x...never heard a real prophet so I couldn't really tell you if it > sounds anyting alike. <font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> <p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p> This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately.</p> <p> Ce courriel est confidentiel et protégé. L'expéditeur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce message ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le (les) destinataire(s) désigné(s) est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser immédiatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen.</p> <p>====================================================</p> </font> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-10-28 by Bastiaan van de Werk
Anyone have a link to a page that explains nord's architecture/layout? I;m a bit curious now...
----- Original Message -----
From: Chada, Jaish
To: 'AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling
From my previous post, I think Ed (bastiaan) is right. The Nord Lead DID
have a lot of Prophet 5 patches, and Clavia were one of (or THE) first to
produce a VIRTUAL Analogue synth. SO, since most companies jumped on to
start a trend, it makes sense that Yamaha, rather than outright copying the
Nord Lead, would have said, "Hey we know Sequential's Secrets and can do a
better job of a Prophet 5 emulation or any other analogue for that matter"
and produced the AN1x. Well, that's my conspiracy theory.
-Jaish
-----Original Message-----
From: xpander [mailto:xpander@...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:25 AM
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling
You may be thinking of the Nord Lead 1 (Which had many Prophet 5
factory patches released for it).
On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 02:11 AM, Bastiaan van de Werk wrote:
> I allways thought they used the prophet as a 'template' for the
> an1x...never heard a real prophet so I couldn't really tell you if it
> sounds anyting alike.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-10-29 by tompaulsen2002
--- In AN1x-list@y..., Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote: > It seems to be a mix of Moog, ARP, and Roland features, with maybe a little Sequential Circuits thrown in. The basic architecture is very Jupiter-line, IMHO. > AFAIK does the AN1x models the Prophet 5, just like the NordLead 1/2 does. That explains that they sound so nice together...;)
2002-10-30 by Mark Pipher
It's definitely fact, not theory. Take a read through this page from Yamaha's XGfactory website, regarding the PLG150AN card: http://www.xgfactory.com/html/plg/p150anx.htm Here are a few quotes that sum it up for everyone and put this to rest: "PLG150-ANX - The closest thing to a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 you will ever hear from modeling synthesis is now available as a PLG board for your SW1000XG." "There was always something about the Prophet 5 that made it sound wonderful. Maybe it was the filters, maybe the oscillators, and maybe the overall design. Whatever it was, it inspired Yamaha to develop the PLG150ANX, based around our acclaimed AN1x synth technology, but revoiced and re-tweaked to give you as close as we can get to the original sound of what many people call the best analogue synth ever made." Settled? :) Mark
On 10/28/02 9:55 AM, "Chada, Jaish" <jaish.chada@...> wrote: > From my previous post, I think Ed (bastiaan) is right. The Nord Lead DID > have a lot of Prophet 5 patches, and Clavia were one of (or THE) first to > produce a VIRTUAL Analogue synth. SO, since most companies jumped on to > start a trend, it makes sense that Yamaha, rather than outright copying the > Nord Lead, would have said, "Hey we know Sequential's Secrets and can do a > better job of a Prophet 5 emulation or any other analogue for that matter" > and produced the AN1x. Well, that's my conspiracy theory. > -Jaish > > -----Original Message----- > From: xpander [mailto:xpander@...] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:25 AM > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling > > > You may be thinking of the Nord Lead 1 (Which had many Prophet 5 > factory patches released for it). > > On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 02:11 AM, Bastiaan van de Werk wrote: > >> I allways thought they used the prophet as a 'template' for the >> an1x...never heard a real prophet so I couldn't really tell you if it >> sounds anyting alike. >
2002-10-30 by Jerry Aiyathurai
This is interesting reading. I guess there's two questions. To what degree was Yamaha modelling the Prophet 5? How well does the AN model emulate the Prophet? I had read this article before and reasoned that the addition of oscillator cross-mod to the AN plugin card was to give it more prophet-like features. Still, audio rate modulation of the filter and pulsewidth are not available on any of the AN models. Nor is the ability to use noise as a modulation source (I think). These are Prophet trademarks and one would think that a faithful model would attempt such features. If Yamaha modelled the Prophet, they did an incomplete job. However, if the AN model is merely Prophet influenced, it's a pretty complete synthesizer. Cheers, Jerry --- In AN1x-list@y..., Mark Pipher <mpipher@m...> wrote: > It's definitely fact, not theory. Take a read through this page from > Yamaha's XGfactory website, regarding the PLG150AN card: > > http://www.xgfactory.com/html/plg/p150anx.htm > > Here are a few quotes that sum it up for everyone and put this to rest: > > "PLG150-ANX - The closest thing to a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 you will > ever hear from modeling synthesis is now available as a PLG board for your > SW1000XG." > > "There was always something about the Prophet 5 that made it sound > wonderful. Maybe it was the filters, maybe the oscillators, and maybe the > overall design. Whatever it was, it inspired Yamaha to develop the > PLG150ANX, based around our acclaimed AN1x synth technology, but revoiced > and re-tweaked to give you as close as we can get to the original sound of > what many people call the best analogue synth ever made." > > Settled? :) > > Mark > > > On 10/28/02 9:55 AM, "Chada, Jaish" <jaish.chada@r...> wrote: > > > From my previous post, I think Ed (bastiaan) is right. The Nord Lead DID > > have a lot of Prophet 5 patches, and Clavia were one of (or THE) first to > > produce a VIRTUAL Analogue synth. SO, since most companies jumped on to > > start a trend, it makes sense that Yamaha, rather than outright copying the > > Nord Lead, would have said, "Hey we know Sequential's Secrets and can do a > > better job of a Prophet 5 emulation or any other analogue for that matter" > > and produced the AN1x. Well, that's my conspiracy theory. > > -Jaish > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xpander [mailto:xpander@e...] > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:25 AM > > To: AN1x-list@y... > > Subject: Re: [AN1x] synthesizer modeling > > > > > > You may be thinking of the Nord Lead 1 (Which had many Prophet 5 > > factory patches released for it). > > > > On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 02:11 AM, Bastiaan van de Werk wrote: > > > >> I allways thought they used the prophet as a 'template' for the > >> an1x...never heard a real prophet so I couldn't really tell you if it > >> sounds anyting alike. > >