Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

> 
> Does all this make sense?  If I have to record note information to 
get it to stay on the 
> preset I desire, that won't really work for me.  My music is all 
about being able to 
> improvise in a live situation.

record something other than a note, say an unused controller,
should do the same trick.

Damn.  I guess that workaround will do the trick, but how stupid is that?

I'm more or less loving my XL-7, but little weirdnesses like this seem to stand in the 
way of the creative process for me.  OK, maybe not stand in the way, but distract a 
bit.  Luckily you guys are a great source of information.

OK, I also figured out the arp problem.  I didn't realize there was a difference between 
preset, master AND pattern.  I kept reading the manual about the preset and the 
pattern but then I found the pattern part earlier in the manual.

Thanks.

Mark

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "jesse_medway" <medway808@h...> wrote:

> > 
> > Does all this make sense?  If I have to record note information to 
> get it to stay on the 
> > preset I desire, that won't really work for me.  My music is all 
> about being able to 
> > improvise in a live situation.
> 
> record something other than a note, say an unused controller,
> should do the same trick.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "zerocrossing2001" 
<zerocrossing2001@y...> wrote:
> Maybe it would help if I said what I was trying to do:
> 
> Create a pattern with 8 percussion tracks and 8 blank tracks.
>  All tracks have a preset associated with them but only the
> percussion tracks have recorded note information.
  
> The blank tracks get sent to the aux send to an Electrix Repeater
> where they can be looped in the audio domain and messed with in
> ways that can't be done with midi (backwards, with decay for each
> loop, etc)  While the pattern is running I can play the 
> preset instruments going to aux out and improvise with my
> percussion/drum tracks.
> 
> Does all this make sense?

I don't understand this perhaps because I am not familiar with the 
Electrix Repeater.  What you are trying to do do performance-wise 
sounds cool, though.

Here's what I don't get.  If you send absolutely no audio out via a 
send, what are you looping and manipulating, and why do you need a 
preset associated with absolutely no audio?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "zerocrossing2001" 
<zerocrossing2001@y...> wrote:
> I didn't realize there was a difference between 
> preset, master AND pattern.  I kept reading the manual about the
> preset and the pattern but then I found the pattern part
> earlier in the manual.

I kinda had an inkling that the use of overlapping meanings was a 
problem when (in an earlier post) you referred to "preset pattern."  
It was clear that you meant factory pattern.

--- zerocrossing2001 <zerocrossing2001@...> wrote:
> Damn.  I guess that workaround will do the trick,
> but how stupid is that?

It's a feature.  It's intentional.  It's so you can set up a preset
*while jamming* and not have the sequencer clobber that preset.  If we
saved preset changes for every channel with every pattern, you wouldn't
be able to keep the sequencer from whacking a particular channel's
preset.

-Aaron

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> I don't understand this perhaps because I am not familiar with the 
> Electrix Repeater.  What you are trying to do do performance-wise 
> sounds cool, though.
> 
> Here's what I don't get.  If you send absolutely no audio out via a 
> send, what are you looping and manipulating, and why do you need a 
> preset associated with absolutely no audio?

Oh, it's easy.  There's no recorded sequence, but I'm hoping the tracks (with a preset 
that I associate with them) will be there so I can play them performance style as one 
would a keyboard.  Here's the deal:

Tracks 1-8 go into the main mixer

tracks 9-16 are routed to a submixer that puts them into a Repeater along with other 
instruments (mainly guitar)

I get the sequence going and record a simple groove into the Repeater.  The 
Repeater's main strength is that it can sync the audio loop to a MIDI clock so my loop 
will be locked in, even if I change my tempo.  Neat trick.  I can also vary the pitch of 
my loop keeping it still synced to the MIDI clock.  So now I have XL-7 playing drums 
and say a guitar and bass (I can layer and get 2 stereo tracks for 4 mono tracks on 
the Repeater)  Now, I want to loop some synth stuff, so I switch the XL-7 to say track 
6 and then either using it's pads or a MIDI keyboard I play the part.  I'm mainly a 
guitarist, but some things like organs and painos don't work that well.  So say I have 
my first Repeater stereo pair doing guitar and bass and now I have an organ riff going 
on the second pair of tracks.  The cool thing is I can set the feedback to less than 
100% and slowly replace what I'm playing while all the time muting and unmuting XL-
7 tracks 1-8.  Here's an example of what it all sounds like (with an Roland MC-307)

http://www.zerocrossing.net/mp3s/mark_maria12_02_edit.mp3

This is all done live with my friend Maria on vocals.  The only thing that's pre-
recorded are the drums.  This was all easy with the 307 but now it looks like it might 
be trickier with the XL-7.  I guess I'm going to have to record some unused cc 
everytime I want an empty track with a sound loaded up on it.

Mark Sottliaro

Thanks for the explanation, Mark. The details and the mp3 helped. I 
enjoyed hearing what you do.

I >>think<< I understand what your original issue was. If so, 
couldn't you use a multisetup to store presets on 16 (or 32) 
channels/tracks?

At the start of your performance, you could restore the desired multi 
and all your channels/tracks would be set up--including the empty 
tracks.

Just a thought.

What do you mean by "wacking a particular channel's preset?"  All the Roland 
Grooveboxes behave this way with no issue.  Set up your pattern and at note info or 
not.  Still remembers each channel's preset sounds.

Mark

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:

> --- zerocrossing2001 <zerocrossing2001@y...> wrote:
> > Damn.  I guess that workaround will do the trick,
> > but how stupid is that?
> 
> It's a feature.  It's intentional.  It's so you can set up a preset
> *while jamming* and not have the sequencer clobber that preset.  If we
> saved preset changes for every channel with every pattern, you wouldn't
> be able to keep the sequencer from whacking a particular channel's
> preset.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
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I'm still a newbie, and I didn't think about multisetups.  Blz suggested this last night 
at a show, so I'll try it today.  Thanks for the help!

Mark

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> Thanks for the explanation, Mark. The details and the mp3 helped. I 
> enjoyed hearing what you do.
> 
> I >>think<< I understand what your original issue was. If so, 
> couldn't you use a multisetup to store presets on 16 (or 32) 
> channels/tracks?
> 
> At the start of your performance, you could restore the desired multi 
> and all your channels/tracks would be set up--including the empty 
> tracks.
> 
> Just a thought.

--- zerocrossing2001 <zerocrossing2001@...> wrote:
> What do you mean by "wacking a particular channel's preset?"  All
> the Roland Grooveboxes behave this way with no issue.  Set up
> your pattern and at note info or not.  Still remembers each
> channel's preset sounds.

Example:  You're playing on channel 1 with the keypads.  You like the
preset you have selected.  You now decide that you want backing tracks.
 You've created patterns in the past that didn't have any data on track
1.  You can now select those patterns without fear of having it change
(or "whack") the preset you're currently playing.

The MC-505 (the only Roland groovebox I have experience with) leaves
track 1 blank for all of their factory patterns for exactly this
reason.  It therefore does not save a preset change for track 1, just
like the XL-7.  rEalm can probably chime in here and further detail the
differences bewteen the two units in this regard.

In any case, the way to save "templates" (which is basically what
you're trying to do) is to make sure there's an event on the track that
you want it to save data for.  Quickest way to do this is to throw a
volume event at tick 0.

Hit stop twice to locate to 1.1.000.  Go to step edit, and for each
track, wiggle a knob in volume mode.  Save.  Done.

-Aaron

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "zerocrossing2001" 
<zerocrossing2001@y...> wrote:
> I'm still a newbie, and I didn't think about multisetups.  Blz 
suggested this last night 
> at a show, so I'll try it today.  Thanks for the help!
> 
> Mark

The more I've dabbled with Multis, the more I appreciate them.  If   
E-MU would implement a memory manager function in future operating 
systems, I'd glady configure my unit to have fewer patterns and songs 
and more multis and user arps. (What I've seen about the relationship 
between the hardware and OS leads me to believe such functionality is 
very doable.)

Spend a day or two getting to know multis.  They have tremendous 
potential for studio and live performance applications.  Concentrated 
time spent now will give you (1) avenues for tasks you will probably 
want to accomplish in the future and (2) possibilities you 
haven't yet dreamed of.

I did spend time this weekend figuring out Multis, but I sure wish there was a way to 
associate them with a song or pattern.  In other words, "when I call up pattern X, 
bring up multi 4."  That would make things easier in general.

Mark Sottliaro

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "zerocrossing2001" 
> <zerocrossing2001@y...> wrote:
> > I'm still a newbie, and I didn't think about multisetups.  Blz 
> suggested this last night 
> > at a show, so I'll try it today.  Thanks for the help!
> > 
> > Mark
> 
> The more I've dabbled with Multis, the more I appreciate them.  If   
> E-MU would implement a memory manager function in future operating 
> systems, I'd glady configure my unit to have fewer patterns and songs 
> and more multis and user arps. (What I've seen about the relationship 
> between the hardware and OS leads me to believe such functionality is 
> very doable.)
> 
> Spend a day or two getting to know multis.  They have tremendous 
> potential for studio and live performance applications.  Concentrated 
> time spent now will give you (1) avenues for tasks you will probably 
> want to accomplish in the future and (2) possibilities you 
> haven't yet dreamed of.

Calling up a Pattern already does, in essense, call up the same things a 
Mulit would.  At least in regards to playback options, unless you want 
something like different Screen Contrasts for each Pattern.  :)

rEalm




I did spend time this weekend figuring out Multis, but I sure wish there 
was a way to 
associate them with a song or pattern.  In other words, "when I call up 
pattern X, 
bring up multi 4."  That would make things easier in general.









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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "zerocrossing2001" 
<zerocrossing2001@y...> wrote:
> I did spend time this weekend figuring out Multis, but I sure wish
> there was a way to associate them with a song or pattern.  In other
> words, "when I call up pattern X, bring up multi 4."  That would
> make things easier in general.
> 
> Mark Sottliaro

Would you believe the amazing E-Mu designers already included that 
functionality in your E-Mu?  Its true!

In a nutshell, to change a multi, send a bank switch + program change 
command where MSB = 80 and LSB = 0 for the bank switch and the 
program change number is the multi you want.  (You can do this via 
midi, too.  Its even in the manual!}

So all you need to do is put in a bank switch and program change in 
your pattern/sequence.  Works for both the on board sequencer and 
external sequencers.

Hope this helps.

Dr. Steve