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Fw: [xl7] Re: Quiet Group

2001-09-01 by Jon

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From: Jon

Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:48 AM

Subject: [xl7] Re: Quiet Group

>
"> >1. you don't have to use a computer OS"
> >
>
>"> Interesting - personally, I would like to see >more< integration
with external sequencers. I see the unit as a live extension of my
studio, that I can take out to clubs."

>Well the only way i can put it is like this, i have had BAD luck with
>the PC and no better luck with MAC and the lack of dependability that
>i have encountered with them. It is just tooooooo much stress when i
>am coming close to a deadline, i have lost many months over the years
>due to HD falure and crashing OS's and dont want to deal with it any
>more. I am going to move my recording platform to sompthing other
>than the puter, I have been thinking about going to a darwin for
>this, i have only heard good things about them. ; But I have to wonder
>if i can still get the jazz drives disk's that i would need.

Stay away from Jazz drives! They fail all the time. You'll have better luck with a pc.

Make sure that you

>the best way i know it to use the erase button wile in record mode
>just press it and hold down the note/notes that you want to erase and
>as the loop cycles the unwanted notes are erased.

Yes, that's not going to cut it live.

"> I also noticed something else - when two channels are pointed to
the same drum kit, they are both affected by controller changes. Why
is that? I had the "hybrid" kit on channels 2 and 5, and regardless
of which of the two tracks was 'active,' twisting the quick edits -
filter tweaks etc, affected drums playing from >both< tracks. (The
tracks were set up to point only to their respective channels, rather
than all)"

>this is becouse you are playing the same "instrament" what I do in
>that situation is just save multiples of the instrament that you want
>to do that with, for instance i will have up to 5 tr-808's saved as
>tr808-1 through tr808-5 and have one per channel/track so i can tweak
>out the snare seperatly from the hi hats, you get the idea. It is
>much more like having a real tr808/909.

Why? What is the reasoning behind this? If it's on separate channels, why would this make sense?

Fw: [xl7] Re: Quiet Group

2001-09-01 by curiousproductions@hotmail.com

> >"I am going to move my recording platform to sompthing other 
> >than the puter, I have been thinking about going to a darwin for 
> >this, i have only heard good things about them.  But I have to 
wonder 
> >if i can still get the jazz drives disk's that i would need."
> 
>" Stay away from Jazz drives! They fail all the time. You'll have 
better luck with a pc."

Thanks for the advice.
> 
> >"the best way i know it to use the erase button wile in record 
mode 
> >just press it and hold down the note/notes that you want to erase 
and 
> >as the loop cycles the unwanted notes are erased."
> 
> "Yes, that's not going to cut it live."

the other way i was thinking about this situation is like this, Take 
a DJ style mixer paly the meat and potatos out the main mix and what 
you are about to bring into the mix out a sub output into another 
chanel on the mixer. this way you can record what you are dooing wile 
adutioning it in the head phones, make any corrections that you might 
have to then bring it into the mix. 
> 
> "> I also noticed something else - when two channels are pointed to 
> the same drum kit, they are both affected by controller changes. 
Why 
> is that? I had the "hybrid" kit on channels 2 and 5, and regardless 
> of which of the two tracks was 'active,' twisting the quick edits - 
> filter tweaks etc, affected drums playing from >both< tracks. (The 
> tracks were set up to point only to their respective channels, 
rather 
> than all)"
> 
> 
> "Why? What is the reasoning behind this? If it's on separate 
channels, why would this make sense?"

The sequencer can't save two different settings of paramiters for one 
program. so you have to have multiples.  that is the way i understand 
it.  It is like you have a synth sitting on your desk, when you hook 
it up to another midi chanell do another synth suddenly apear?
Nope, i wish it did couse i would have like 32 JX-8P's right now LOL.

Mike

Fw: [xl7] Re: Quiet Group

2001-09-02 by Jon

> >"I am going to move my recording platform to sompthing other
> >than the puter, I have been thinking about going to a darwin for
> >this, i have only heard good things about them. But I have to
wonder
> >if i can still get the jazz drives disk's that i would need."
>
>" Stay away from Jazz drives! They fail all the time. You'll have
better luck with a pc."

Thanks for the advice.

>
>> >"the best way i know it to use the erase button wile in record
>mode
>> >just press it and hold down the note/notes that you want to erase
>and
>> >as the loop cycles the unwanted notes are erased."
>>
>> "Yes, that's not going to cut it live."
>
>the other way i was thinking about this situation is like this, Take
>a DJ style mixer paly the meat and potatos out the main mix and what
>you are about to bring into the mix out a sub output into another
>chanel on the mixer. this way you can record what you are dooing wile
>adutioning it in the head phones, make any corrections that you might
>have to then bring it into the mix.

A creative solution, but now your are now longer playing live - you're playing 'recorded two minutes ago. Besides, this means that you can't play (for example) a grooving bass line, drop into record, drop out of record and have the bassline keep going.

>
> "> I also noticed something else - when two channels are pointed to
> the same drum kit, they are both affected by controller changes.
Why
> is that? I had the "hybrid" kit on channels 2 and 5, and regardless
> of which of the two tracks was 'active,' twisting the quick edits -
> filter tweaks etc, affected drums playing from >both< tracks. (The
> tracks were set up to point only to their respective channels,
rather
> than all)"
>
>
>> "Why? What is the reasoning behind this? If it's on separate
>channels, why would this make sense?"
>
>The sequencer can't save two different settings of paramiters for one
>program. so you have to have multiples. that is the way i understand
>it. It is like you have a synth sitting on your desk, when you hook
>it up to another midi chanell do another synth suddenly apear?
>Nope, i wish it did couse i would have like 32 JX-8P's right now LOL.

;

Ok, now I realize the issue - the quick edit controls are actually altering parameters in the patch. I was working under the assumption that they were acting like regular midi CCs.