Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Go to MIX OUTPUT, 7th screen in the Global menu.

Note that you have to physically have plugs in the jacks for them to
function as external sends.

-Aaron

--- zerocrossing2001 <zerocrossing2001@...> wrote:
> I can't seem to figure out how to route audio to sub1

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Also to expand on what Aaron said, if you use the Sub1 Outs as external 
sends, they bypass the effects.  You can't have something going to the 
effects and out of the unit, it's one or the other from what I understand.

rEalm





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07/02/2003 12:59 AM
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Hey,

I just picked up an XL-7 and it does seem like a vast box compared to the 
Roland MC-307 it's replacing.  One of the main reasons I purchased it is 
due 
to its audio routing capabilities, but boy does the manual seem obtuse! 
I've 
upgraded the OS to v2, and gone through the manual and archives but I 
can't 
seem to figure out how to route audio to sub1.  All I want to do is keep 
my 
drum tracks (1-8) in the main out and send the rest of the tracks to sub1 
(after 
the internal effects if that's possible).  I used to do this all the time 
with my 
Ensonic TS-10 (boy was that a joy to work with!  E-MU, can you hear me? 
Learn from that elegant OS!) but I just spent an hour with the XL-7 manual 
and 
I could't seem to make it happen.

Thanks,

Mark Sottilaro



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More expoundings... (is that a word?)

When you insert a plug into a sub jack, only the DRY signal is removed
from the mains.  The WET signal will still be present at the mains, but
the send amount can be set to 0% for that send to prevent this.

synth --> send% --> FX --(wet)-> main
    \
     \--> if(plugInSub) -(dry)-> sub
          else          -(dry)-> main 

Okay, that little ascii drawing probably made it worse, but in the
manual there's a diagram...

-Aaron

--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> Also to expand on what Aaron said, if you use the Sub1 Outs as
> external sends, they bypass the effects.  You can't have 
> something going to the effects and out of the unit, it's one or
> the other from what I understand.

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Ah, OK.  That makes sense.  Much thanks.  Upon more
manual reading I actually got a lot out of a diagram
that's in there.

On one hand, great, on the other, it kind of ruins my
idea I had for using the XL-7.  My idea was to send
drums directly to a mixer, while routing other sounds
to an Electrix Repeater so they could be looped in the
audio domain and then effected in different ways.

Not being able to route a wet signal to the subs means
I'd either have to add some multieffects processor to
the chain (yet another thing!).  I could use a Lexicon
MPX1 for that job but I'd lose it for post loop
processing, or I could buy another effects processor
for the job (not likely at this time due to money and
space issues) OR what I'm more likely to do is get my
braindead PlanetEarth out of the closet and install
ROMS into that so I could run it as a seperate device
all together.  Not what I was hoping to do, but oh
well.

Thanks again,

Mark

--- Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:

> More expoundings... (is that a word?)
> 
> When you insert a plug into a sub jack, only the DRY
> signal is removed
> from the mains.  The WET signal will still be
> present at the mains, but
> the send amount can be set to 0% for that send to
> prevent this.
> 
> synth --> send% --> FX --(wet)-> main
>     \
>      \--> if(plugInSub) -(dry)-> sub
>           else          -(dry)-> main 

>

> 
> On one hand, great, on the other, it kind of ruins my
> idea I had for using the XL-7.  My idea was to send
> drums directly to a mixer, while routing other sounds
> to an Electrix Repeater so they could be looped in the
> audio domain and then effected in different ways.
> 
> Not being able to route a wet signal to the subs means
> I'd either have to add some multieffects processor to
> the chain (yet another thing!). 

Hi Mark,

Or, you could send your >Main< outs to the repeater, and send your 
drums out the sub. This would require a dry set of drums, though the 
effects in the emu aren't the most exciting for effecting percussion 
anyway...

Another tip - I everything to the subs left and right, and send them 
to mono in/stereo out effect processors. This way, I get two mono 
subs instead of each stereo sub, and can control the effects on each 
subbed track via pan.

I also send the drum tracks to a separate compressor out of sub 2, 
this makes them stand out from the compressed main mix.

bIz

Further expoundifications:

If you insert a mono plug just up to the first click you can feed external audio 
into the main outs without interrupting Bus2 or Bus3. This is smart design 
(intentional?) since it allows you to forgo a mixer in a pinch (if you're a live 
minimalist, or broke - being both, I appreciate this feature) without losing 
effects busses.

However, I notice this is more fiddly than I remember the jacks on my 
Morpheus being...the slightest wiggle and the insert jacks lose contact. Am I 
remembering wrong, or are these jacks looser than they used to be? Anyone 
notice this? A bit frustrating...


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:

> More expoundings... (is that a word?)
> 
> When you insert a plug into a sub jack, only the DRY signal is removed
> from the mains.  The WET signal will still be present at the mains, but
> the send amount can be set to 0% for that send to prevent this.
> 
> synth --> send% --> FX --(wet)-> main
>     \
>      \--> if(plugInSub) -(dry)-> sub
>           else          -(dry)-> main 
> 
> Okay, that little ascii drawing probably made it worse, but in the
> manual there's a diagram...
> 
> -Aaron

Thanks everyone for the good advice.  This is surely a
deep and complex box with lots of quirks.  I'm sure it
will keep me up many a night until I master it.

With that said, I kind of got it going the way I
wanted... but I'm wondering if I should put all my
ROMS in one box.  I've got the ROM that came with the
XL-7, one that came with the Planet Earth, Protozoa
and the Beat Garden ROM.  Sure I can put them in my
XL-7 and have one nice big yellow box, but does that
make sense?  Should I put some ROMS in the PlanetEarth
again?  What would I gain?  I intend on having some
sounds sequenced and some available to play live using
a Novation ReMote25 as a triggering device.  (btw, as
a MIDI controller it rules)

--- robotchas <robotchas@...> wrote:
> If you insert a mono plug just up to the first
>click you can feed external audio into the main >outs
without interrupting Bus2 or Bus3.

Hosa makes a pretty good stereo male into two mono
female 1/4" plugs that would let you not have to deal
with dealing with the click issue.

Thanks,

Mark Sottilaro

Oooo, good idea.  So simple it went right by me.  I do
like a little reverb for ambience on the drums though.
Hmmmmm Such a quandry.  Might be time to whip out that
ROMless PlanetEarth...

On the other hand, I was doing what I had hoped to do
last night using a KAOSS pad to add some effects to
the sub1 out.  Worked well for the most part.  The
KAOSS pad II isn't the best effect device in the
world, but for interesting performance effects it
can't be bet.  (when I add an Alesis AirFX and
AirSynth I swear I'm fucking dancing!)

Mark


--- delltamale <biz@...> wrote:

> Or, you could send your >Main< outs to the repeater,
> and send your 
> drums out the sub. This would require a dry set of
> drums, though the 
> effects in the emu aren't the most exciting for
> effecting percussion 
> anyway...
> 
> Another tip - I everything to the subs left and
> right, and send them 
> to mono in/stereo out effect processors. This way, I
> get two mono 
> subs instead of each stereo sub, and can control the
> effects on each 
> subbed track via pan.
> 
> I also send the drum tracks to a separate compressor
> out of sub 2, 
> this makes them stand out from the compressed main
> mix.
> 
> bIz
> 
>

It *is* from what I gather from reading the manual an intentional 
feature... says something like "at a pinch they can serve as extra 
line inputs" or something along those lines...

You can make it a more sturdy solution by building a couple of leads 
with a mono jack at one end and a stereo jack at the other, and wire 
the tip from the mono jack to the ring from the stereo one. Or, tear 
an insert lead in half ;-) This way you can plug the jack in all the 
way rather than have it half hanging out.

Martin

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> Further expoundifications:
> 
> If you insert a mono plug just up to the first click you can feed 
external audio 
> into the main outs without interrupting Bus2 or Bus3. This is 
smart design 
> (intentional?) since it allows you to forgo a mixer in a pinch (if 
you're a live 
> minimalist, or broke - being both, I appreciate this feature) 
without losing 
> effects busses.
> 
> However, I notice this is more fiddly than I remember the jacks on 
my 
> Morpheus being...the slightest wiggle and the insert jacks lose 
contact. Am I 
> remembering wrong, or are these jacks looser than they used to be? 
Anyone 

> notice this? A bit frustrating...
> 
>