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Here's one solution to the problem of FINDING your drums in Grid Edit 
mode (if you're performing you don't want to be wasting time 
frantically scrolling the note field):

Make custom presets for each of your patterns (as rEalm suggests 
elsewhere). If you assign your drum sounds to different tracks (T1 is 
kick, T2 is snare, etc.) you're probably only using one or maybe two 
notes on each track. So once you've picked the sound, go into the 
Preset and transpose the layer up or down so that the sound you're 
using is always on the same note. You can either put ALL drum sounds 
on the same note (like Middle C), or use a different key within the 
same octave for each type of drum (C is kick, D is snare, etc.) The 
important thing is that you're consistent. Then when you jump into 
Grid Edit mode and are looking for a particular drum you no longer 
have to wonder which octave and key it's on. Voila.

Nice one!  Though for me personally that would interfere with my drum 
layering ideas, since they both rely on Preset Transpose.

rEalm



Here's one solution to the problem of FINDING your drums in Grid Edit 
mode (if you're performing you don't want to be wasting time 
frantically scrolling the note field):

Make custom presets for each of your patterns (as rEalm suggests 
elsewhere). If you assign your drum sounds to different tracks (T1 is 
kick, T2 is snare, etc.) you're probably only using one or maybe two 
notes on each track. So once you've picked the sound, go into the 
Preset and transpose the layer up or down so that the sound you're 
using is always on the same note. You can either put ALL drum sounds 
on the same note (like Middle C), or use a different key within the 
same octave for each type of drum (C is kick, D is snare, etc.) The 
important thing is that you're consistent. Then when you jump into 
Grid Edit mode and are looking for a particular drum you no longer 
have to wonder which octave and key it's on. Voila.



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How so? Can't you just shift all the layers by different amounts?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Nice one!  Though for me personally that would interfere with my 
drum 

> layering ideas, since they both rely on Preset Transpose.
> 
> rEalm

Yes, unless you only wanted to shift one layer.  I typically find the 
first layer I want to use, then use the Preset Transpose on layer 2 to 
find the next hit to layer.

rEalm





robotchas <robotchas@...>
06/13/2003 05:42 PM
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How so? Can't you just shift all the layers by different amounts?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Nice one!  Though for me personally that would interfere with my 
drum 
> layering ideas, since they both rely on Preset Transpose.
> 
> rEalm




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Right, but why would you want to shift only one layer? There's no 
advantage to not shifting the first layer if you're only using one 
sound from it. If the first hit you want to use is on D2 and the 
second is on F3, you can shift them both to C4 and get the exact same 
sound.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Yes, unless you only wanted to shift one layer.  I typically find 
the 
> first layer I want to use, then use the Preset Transpose on layer 2 
to 

> find the next hit to layer.
> 
> rEalm

Because I'm trying to find a second hit to layer over the first one that's 
already sequenced and playing back.  By using the Preset Tune on only one 
layer, I can find a drum sound that compliments the currently playing one.

rEalm




Right, but why would you want to shift only one layer? 

 






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Gaaah. I know that. You're doing this:

(a) play keys until you find kick sound you like
(b) sequence kick track on that key
(c) add second layer
(d) transpose second layer until you find complementary sound

Right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But there's nothing that prevents you from doing the exact same thing 
this way:

(a) lay down a scratch kick track on C4.
(b) transpose layer 1 until you find a sound you like
(c) add second layer
(d) transpose second layer until you find complementary sound

Or:

(a) play keys until you find a kick sound you like
(b) transpose layer 1 to put it on C4
(c) lay down kick track
(d) add second layer, etc.

The results sound exactly the same, but the second method keeps your 
kick on C4 which makes it easier to find. There's no conflict between 
what you're doing and what I was suggesting. I promise.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Because I'm trying to find a second hit to layer over the first one 
that's 
> already sequenced and playing back.  By using the Preset Tune on 
only one 
> layer, I can find a drum sound that compliments the currently 
playing one.

> 
> rEalm
> 
> Right, but why would you want to shift only one layer?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> . . . there's nothing that prevents you from doing the exact same
> thing this way:

> (a) lay down a scratch kick track on C4.
> (b) transpose layer 1 until you find a sound you like
> (c) add second layer
> (d) transpose second layer until you find complementary sound
> 
> Or:
> 
> (a) play keys until you find a kick sound you like
> (b) transpose layer 1 to put it on C4
> (c) lay down kick track
> (d) add second layer, etc.

Its nice to have alternative like these spelled out so clearly (like 
you have done) for those who want to try new techniques--espcially 
ones that might help composers/performers standardize their setups.

Hehe, I wasn't disagreeing with your method, it's very good and a 
perfectly valid way of working.  It's just easier FOR ME to lay down my 
first drum sound (layer 1) using the actual sound itself, rather than 
using a scratch kick and then trying to refind my original sound.  Just a 
difference in working methods, nothing more :)

rEalm





Gaaah. I know that. You're doing this:

(a) play keys until you find kick sound you like
(b) sequence kick track on that key
(c) add second layer
(d) transpose second layer until you find complementary sound

Right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But there's nothing that prevents you from doing the exact same thing 
this way:

(a) lay down a scratch kick track on C4.
(b) transpose layer 1 until you find a sound you like
(c) add second layer
(d) transpose second layer until you find complementary sound

Or:

(a) play keys until you find a kick sound you like
(b) transpose layer 1 to put it on C4
(c) lay down kick track
(d) add second layer, etc.

The results sound exactly the same, but the second method keeps your 
kick on C4 which makes it easier to find. There's no conflict between 
what you're doing and what I was suggesting. I promise.



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I know, but you made it sound like your method precluded using my 
trick. If you don't care which note your drums are on because you 
never edit them live, or because you have a very good memory, then it 
doesn't matter. But if you transpose the sound you want to use to C4 
before you record your track then you get the best of both worlds.

But maybe you Chicago-ites like to make things difficult for 
yourselves. How else to explain the winters? ;)


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Hehe, I wasn't disagreeing with your method, it's very good and a 
> perfectly valid way of working.  It's just easier FOR ME to lay 
down my 
> first drum sound (layer 1) using the actual sound itself, rather 
than 
> using a scratch kick and then trying to refind my original sound.  
Just a 

> difference in working methods, nothing more :)
> 
> rEalm

I know, but you made it sound like your method precluded using my trick.

>>>Wasn't my intention sorry about that. <<<

If you don't care which note your drums are on because you never edit them 
live, or because you have a very good memory, 

>>>Haha, where am I again?  Good memeory, hardly... :) <<<

But if you transpose the sound you want to use to C4 before you record 
your track then you get the best of both worlds.

>>Already got the best of both worlds, I'm smart and an ass, thus a smart 
ass. ;p <<<

But maybe you Chicago-ites like to make things difficult for yourselves. 
How else to explain the winters? ;)

>>>Winters are easy, it's the summers that kill me. <<<

rEalm



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