Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

After some interaction with Emu's tech support (and some help from 
rEalm, of course!) I found out what I would call a 'secret' key 
combination that must be used if you want to run external gear from 
your XL or MP.
What I do is run all my other midi devices (groove boxes in my case)
from the midi b output. I set the track channel output to multib, and 
then in the event viewer add the program changes that I want to send.
Note that you cannot have two events at the exact same time. Then in 
the event viewer I set the channel I want the program change to occur 
on, and the program change number of course.
Here is the trick: you MUST hit the REPEAT button to save the change 
in the event viewer, before you save the changes to the pattern. So 
if you have several devices, you have to hit repeat after you put in 
the info for each device or it won't save.
Not very intuitive, but at least it works.
Hope this will save someone some time!
Dana

Before this confuses too many people, I thought I'd chime in briefly. 
The reason you're pressing the "Repeat" button is because you're
*inserting* program changes.  If you didn't hit repeat after each
program change, you'd simply be editing the *same* event.

Think about a software sequencer's list view.  If you had one program
change on a track, and repeatedly edited the channel, you wouldn't
expect it to keep each different event, right?  You'd expect to have to
press "Insert" on your keyboard to add another event to the list.  This
is exactly what the "Repeat" button does.

-Aaron

PS. You can have all sorts of events at the exact same time, just not
two *identical* events at the same time.  (i.e. two C#3's at tick 0)

--- dwoodaman <dwoodaman@...> wrote:
> After some interaction with Emu's tech support (and some help from 
> rEalm, of course!) I found out what I would call a 'secret' key 
> combination that must be used if you want to run external gear from 
> your XL or MP.
> What I do is run all my other midi devices (groove boxes in my case)
> from the midi b output. I set the track channel output to multib, and
> 
> then in the event viewer add the program changes that I want to send.
> Note that you cannot have two events at the exact same time. Then in 
> the event viewer I set the channel I want the program change to occur
> 
> on, and the program change number of course.
> Here is the trick: you MUST hit the REPEAT button to save the change 
> in the event viewer, before you save the changes to the pattern. So 
> if you have several devices, you have to hit repeat after you put in 
> the info for each device or it won't save.
> Not very intuitive, but at least it works.
> Hope this will save someone some time!
> Dana


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I happily stand corrected! So I ******should****** be able to send 
prg chng say 05 on channel 5 and prg chg 5 on channel 10 with no 
problem. This would be advantageous to me, since I typically have the 
same patch number on two of my grooveboxes.
thanks again for the explanation, and no shit this group rocks!
Dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Before this confuses too many people, I thought I'd chime in 
briefly. 
> The reason you're pressing the "Repeat" button is because you're
> *inserting* program changes.  If you didn't hit repeat after each
> program change, you'd simply be editing the *same* event.
> 
> Think about a software sequencer's list view.  If you had one 
program
> change on a track, and repeatedly edited the channel, you wouldn't
> expect it to keep each different event, right?  You'd expect to 
have to
> press "Insert" on your keyboard to add another event to the list.  
This
> is exactly what the "Repeat" button does.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> PS. You can have all sorts of events at the exact same time, just 
not
> two *identical* events at the same time.  (i.e. two C#3's at tick 0)
> 
> --- dwoodaman <dwoodaman@y...> wrote:
> > After some interaction with Emu's tech support (and some help 
from 
> > rEalm, of course!) I found out what I would call a 'secret' key 
> > combination that must be used if you want to run external gear 
from 
> > your XL or MP.
> > What I do is run all my other midi devices (groove boxes in my 
case)
> > from the midi b output. I set the track channel output to multib, 
and
> > 
> > then in the event viewer add the program changes that I want to 
send.
> > Note that you cannot have two events at the exact same time. Then 
in 
> > the event viewer I set the channel I want the program change to 
occur
> > 
> > on, and the program change number of course.
> > Here is the trick: you MUST hit the REPEAT button to save the 
change 
> > in the event viewer, before you save the changes to the pattern. 
So 
> > if you have several devices, you have to hit repeat after you put 
in 

> > the info for each device or it won't save.
> > Not very intuitive, but at least it works.
> > Hope this will save someone some time!
> > Dana
> 
> 
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What is the command sequence for doing a factory reset?
I didn't see it in the manual.

Will this initialize all of the sequences/patterns?
Or is there another way to do this?
Will it have any effect on the user bank of arpeggiator patterns?

If possible, I would like to erase all of the sequences, but keep the 
user arps.

Thanks

Greg,

It's the same for all platforms.  Hold the cursor (<  >) keys at 
start up which will put you into the diagnostics mode.  From there, 
scroll to the function you want to perform.  There is one for sound 
data and sequence data also.  Make sure you pick what you want to 
reset.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:
> What is the command sequence for doing a factory reset?
> I didn't see it in the manual.
> 
> Will this initialize all of the sequences/patterns?
> Or is there another way to do this?
> Will it have any effect on the user bank of arpeggiator patterns?
> 
> If possible, I would like to erase all of the sequences, but keep 
the 

> user arps.
> 
> Thanks

ok, the two options (in diagnostic mode) seem to be:
1. initialize all user data
2. initialize all data except seq

So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, right?
They're not my own patterns, just the ones that came with the unit.
And option 2 doesn't erase the sequences, which is what I want to do.
It seems the only way is to manually delete them one at a time.


M2 wrote:

>Greg,
>
>It's the same for all platforms.  Hold the cursor (<  >) keys at 
>start up which will put you into the diagnostics mode.  From there, 
>scroll to the function you want to perform.  There is one for sound 
>data and sequence data also.  Make sure you pick what you want to 
>reset.
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:
>  
>
>>What is the command sequence for doing a factory reset?
>>I didn't see it in the manual.
>>
>>Will this initialize all of the sequences/patterns?
>>Or is there another way to do this?
>>Will it have any effect on the user bank of arpeggiator patterns?
>>
>>If possible, I would like to erase all of the sequences, but keep 
>>    
>>
>the 
>  
>
>>user arps.
>>
>>Thanks
>>    
>>
>
>
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:
> ok, the two options (in diagnostic mode) seem to be:
> 1. initialize all user data
> 2. initialize all data except seq
> 
> So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
right?



The arp patterns in the user data are duplicated of the ROM so they 
can be replaced.




> They're not my own patterns, just the ones that came with the unit.
> And option 2 doesn't erase the sequences, which is what I want to 
do.
> It seems the only way is to manually delete them one at a time.
> 
> 
> M2 wrote:
> 
> >Greg,
> >
> >It's the same for all platforms.  Hold the cursor (<  >) keys at 
> >start up which will put you into the diagnostics mode.  From 
there, 
> >scroll to the function you want to perform.  There is one for 
sound 
> >data and sequence data also.  Make sure you pick what you want to 
> >reset.
> >
> >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>What is the command sequence for doing a factory reset?
> >>I didn't see it in the manual.
> >>
> >>Will this initialize all of the sequences/patterns?
> >>Or is there another way to do this?
> >>Will it have any effect on the user bank of arpeggiator patterns?
> >>
> >>If possible, I would like to erase all of the sequences, but keep 
> >>    
> >>
> >the 
> >  
> >
> >>user arps.
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Whoa!  Unless you back up your user arps, they CANNOT be replaced from the 
factory ROM.  Make sure you dump them to an external sequencer first!!!!

rEalm




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:

> So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
right?



The arp patterns in the user data are duplicated of the ROM so they 
can be replaced.


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He said in his post that they were "not" his arp patterns, see beow:

{{{{From:   Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> 
Date:  Tue Sep 30, 2003  2:34 pm
Subject:  Re: [xl7] Re: factory reset

So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
right?
They're not my own patterns, just the ones that came with the 
unit.}}}}
 

I guess it was the way it was worded from the first sentence to the 
next.  So he could start from scratch and create his own now.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Whoa!  Unless you back up your user arps, they CANNOT be replaced 
from the 
> factory ROM.  Make sure you dump them to an external sequencer 
first!!!!
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:
> 
> > So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
> right?
> 
> 
> 
> The arp patterns in the user data are duplicated of the ROM so 
they 

> can be replaced.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You're right, my bad.  I just wanted to make sure no one thought that 
their own User Arps were stored as part of the ROM.  Sorry about that.

rEalm





He said in his post that they were "not" his arp patterns, see beow:

{{{{From:   Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> 
Date:  Tue Sep 30, 2003  2:34 pm

Subject:  Re: [xl7] Re: factory reset

So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
right?
They're not my own patterns, just the ones that came with the 
unit.}}}}
 

I guess it was the way it was worded from the first sentence to the 
next.  So he could start from scratch and create his own now.








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Just to clarify then,
There is a bank of "factory" user arps (bank 0).
Unlike the presets, this is not a duplicate of one of the rom banks.
So I assumed that these will be erased when I do a reset.
However, it's also possible that they are actually on the rom and get 
copied into ram when the reset is done. Can anyone who has done a reset 
confirm that this happens?

erik_magrini@... wrote:

>You're right, my bad.  I just wanted to make sure no one thought that 
>their own User Arps were stored as part of the ROM.  Sorry about that.
>
>rEalm
>
>He said in his post that they were "not" his arp patterns, see beow:
>
>{{{{From:   Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> 
>Date:  Tue Sep 30, 2003  2:34 pm
>Subject:  Re: [xl7] Re: factory reset
>
>So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
>right?
>They're not my own patterns, just the ones that came with the 
>unit.}}}}
> 
>
>I guess it was the way it was worded from the first sentence to the 
>next.  So he could start from scratch and create his own now.
>  
>

Check the link here Greg and see if it helps:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20Station%20Data/ROM%
20Arp%20Patterns/

I know that when I did these forms, I noticed the duplicates from the 
ROM (Bank 2)were in the user bank so what I did was when Rob Papen 
came out with user arps that were on his new TSCY ROM, was to load 
those into my user location on my P2K, XL-1 and XL-7. 100 free 
patterns that don't look for a ROM ID, they are just patterns that 
load in any P*K series, *K-6 series and  XL or MP series alike. 



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> wrote:
> Just to clarify then,
> There is a bank of "factory" user arps (bank 0).
> Unlike the presets, this is not a duplicate of one of the rom banks.
> So I assumed that these will be erased when I do a reset.
> However, it's also possible that they are actually on the rom and 
get 
> copied into ram when the reset is done. Can anyone who has done a 
reset 
> confirm that this happens?
> 
> erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> 
> >You're right, my bad.  I just wanted to make sure no one thought 
that 
> >their own User Arps were stored as part of the ROM.  Sorry about 
that.
> >
> >rEalm
> >
> >He said in his post that they were "not" his arp patterns, see 
beow:
> >
> >{{{{From:   Greg Waltzer <gwaltzer@o...> 
> >Date:  Tue Sep 30, 2003  2:34 pm
> >Subject:  Re: [xl7] Re: factory reset
> >
> >So I guess that "all user data" would wipe out my arp patterns, 
> >right?
> >They're not my own patterns, just the ones that came with the 
> >unit.}}}}
> > 
> >
> >I guess it was the way it was worded from the first sentence to 
the 

> >next.  So he could start from scratch and create his own now.
> >  
> >

If I do a sysex dump of patches from an XL-1, will I be able to load 
them into my XL-7?