Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

hi there,
i might be wrong but where are all those features sean & scott promised us ?
as far as i could see, there\ufffds no usb, no event-list & the like but some
boring improvements in song-mode (i never use that anyway & everybody who
uses it as a live-tool shouldn\ufffdt).
i  just read the addendum (because i\ufffdll only risk upgrading if it\ufffds
worthwhile) & anyone who knows better is cordially welcome. if not, this
update seems to me more like a bad joke than an x-mas-present !?!?!
j.

p.s. excuse me for sounding harsh but i was so disappointed when i read the
addendum.

On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 12:01  AM, j.burger wrote:

> hi there,
> i might be wrong but where are all those features sean & scott promised 
> us ?
> as far as i could see, there´s no usb, no event-list & the like but some
> boring improvements in song-mode (i never use that anyway & everybody 
> who
> uses it as a live-tool shouldn´t).
> i  just read the addendum (because i´ll only risk upgrading if it´s
> worthwhile) & anyone who knows better is cordially welcome. if not, this
> update seems to me more like a bad joke than an x-mas-present !?!?!
> j.
>
> p.s. excuse me for sounding harsh but i was so disappointed when i read 
> the
> addendum.

Come on now. Please look a bit before jumping all over us.The new 
features are there. Event Editing, Local On/Off, Input Rechannelize are 
all there plus a lot more. Just spend a few more minutes with it and 
you'll find them.

Yes, the 'new features' list and the addendum on the download page 
hasn't been updated yet - we'll get there. The currently posted addendum 
is still the one for the 1.01 release. But the new features *are* in the 
posted download. We thought that you'd be happy to get the download as 
soon as it was ready - even if the documentation isn't quite ready yet.

Note we never said that USB support was going to be in this release. But 
also note that the 1.17 code actually does have the USB support in it - 
we just have to get the Host drivers ironed out. (actually the drivers 
are working, there are still some issues with their installation) Making 
USB work with Win* is a quite a bit harder than we all had hoped. But it 
*will* be coming real soon.

Geesh.
Scott

On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 12:37  AM, j.burger wrote:

> p.s.does updating erase the sound-data as well, or just sequence-data ?

Updating will not erase *any* of your data. But you do have backups of 
all your important work anyway, right? That's just good common sense 
practice for any computer based system.

Enjoy,
Scott

hi scott,
as i said: anyone who knows better is welcome.
so you\ufffdre welcome and i have to say thanks & sorry.
but posting the old addendum with the new update it can truly be irritating.
so once again: thank you for the info & excuse me for being harsh.
j.

p.s.does updating erase the sound-data as well, or just sequence-data ?

thanks again scott,
i certainly have backups but i\ufffdve experienced so many problems with backups
via midi-files or dumps in the past, it just made me cautious.
btw: your ironic tone shows that you\ufffdre still offended but even in my fist
mail, i said that i only read the addendum & excused myself for sounding
harsh. so there\ufffds no need for this - i\ufffdve never meant to offend you, ok ?
all the very best,
j.

dear scott,
here are some replies after updating to 1.17:

scott: "Updating will not erase *any* of your data."

- oh yes, it does (sequences & sounds erased completely). as i expected.

scott: " Event Editing, Local On/Off, Input Rechannelize are
all there plus a lot more."

- i couldn\ufffdt find any difference to 1.01 in step- or grid-mode. i still
don\ufffdt see a proper event-listing, including note-name/and or cc-nr., length
& velocity, etc. did i miss something ?

scott: "Note we never said that USB support was going to be in this
release."

- sorry - not true. you and sean did several times.
one example: "USB Pattern and Song Upload/Download from your computer using
E-Loader" (from: Projected 1.17 Feature List For XL/MP-7 Command Stations,
message by sean, oct.30th)
but i certainly accept that things sometimes get more difficult than you
expected.

eagerly awaiting the new addendum...
best,
j.

"j.burger" wrote:

> scott: " Event Editing, Local On/Off, Input Rechannelize are
> all there plus a lot more."
>
> - i couldn\ufffdt find any difference to 1.01 in step- or grid-mode. i still
> don\ufffdt see a proper event-listing, including note-name/and or cc-nr., length
> & velocity, etc. did i miss something ?

Yep.  Check out the second to last two screens in the song/pattern edit
menus...


> scott: "Note we never said that USB support was going to be in this
> release."
>
> - sorry - not true. you and sean did several times.
> one example: "USB Pattern and Song Upload/Download from your computer using
> E-Loader" (from: Projected 1.17 Feature List For XL/MP-7 Command Stations,
> message by sean, oct.30th)
> but i certainly accept that things sometimes get more difficult than you
> expected.

From two lines down from that same post:
> Legal - List subject to change or be added too -

To the list of features we added footswitch to various functions (song
start/stop, punch-in, etc) support.
We also (as Scott mentioned) did put USB support in the firmware, but have been
working on Windows driver installation...

How about everyone smile for a little bit, huh? =)

-Aaron

on 11/28/01 4:06 AM, j.burger at j.burger@... wrote:

> dear scott,
> here are some replies after updating to 1.17:
> 
> scott: "Updating will not erase *any* of your data."
> 
> - oh yes, it does (sequences & sounds erased completely).

This is *not* supposed to happen. In fact, this is exactly what the Flash
Prep step in the update process was designed for - we developed a whole
piece of code just to avoid this. It worked for me. It worked for Aaron. It
worked for our Beta testers. Something has unexpectedly gone terribly wrong
if it erased your data, and we need to figure out exactly how that happened.

I will state again to all listening, and *please* no one take this
personally - it is important to ALWAYS BACK UP ANY IMPORTANT DATA. Stuff
happens.

Again, it was our explicit goal to avoid this. Something went wrong. We
deeply regret this happened. We or course will be looking for answers. Any
help in tracking this down is appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott

hi scott,
i mailed a little report to sean.
hope that helps.
best,
j.

The new OS rocks. Excellent!

>This is *not* supposed to happen. In fact, this is exactly what the Flash
>Prep step in the update process was designed for - we developed a whole
>piece of code just to avoid this. It worked for me. It worked for Aaron. It
>worked for our Beta testers. Something has unexpectedly gone terribly wrong
>if it erased your data, and we need to figure out exactly how that
happened.

Yes, it erased the last few banks on my machine. Not that it caused any
problems.

Also, the E-loader didn't complete on it's own - it would send the midi
dump, and then display '0% complete' throughout the process - I had to
cancel out of the loader each time. Again, it didn't cause any problems, but
I wanted to make those of you who haven't done the upgrade aware of ths
behaviour, and that the OS updated.

Backing up my patterns was a length process, however. Every so often, I
would get a 'transfer failed' message from the E-loader, and have to
reselect the patterns. From time to time it would also just stop, part of
the way through a pattern. I couldn't do more than one or two patterns at a
time, and often had to repeat the upload several times to get a pattern to
transfer. Does anyone have any ideas why this would occur?

Here is the system I am running:

            Win2k, Oct 2001 release
            Asus P2B-D motherboard, with latest BIOS, dual PII-400s, 512
megs ram
            Unitor mk II midi interface, on serial port.
            USB 2.0 PCI card
                        - MS IE USB mouse
                        - MS Natural Keys USB keyboard
            Rage 128 AGP graphics card
            Diamond Stealth Pro PCI graphics card
            RME Hammerfall sound card

Also, does anyone know a quick way to blank the entire memory - so I can
remove all the factory patterns?



Jonathan

Did you try changing your sysex send interval timer in the XL?  That might 
help.  As for quickly getting rid of the factory patterns, I don't know of 
a "quick" way.  I just created a blank pattern with all of the Tracks set 
to the "Init Preset", and then used E-Loader to copy that into all of my 
pattern locations for one bank.  From there you can upload the entire 
bank, then download it across all User banks.  It's actually not as time 
consuming as it sounds, took me like 1/2 hour tops. :)

rEalm




Backing up my patterns was a length process, however. Every so often, I 
would get a 'transfer failed' message from the E-loader, and have to 
reselect the patterns.  Does anyone have any ideas why this would occur?

Jonathan El-Bizri wrote:

> Every so often, I would get a 'transfer failed' message
> Does anyone have any ideas why this would occur?

Scott can probably help better than I, but make sure you're not sending other
midi at the same time.  You're probably not doing this anyway, and it
technically should work, but it can't hurt to check.


> Also, does anyone know a quick way to blank the entire memory
>  - so I can remove all the factory patterns?

Yep.  Boot into diagnostics (someone else will tell you how) and select Init All
User Data.
Be careful.  It erases *ALL* patterns, and resets *ALL* user presets back to
their original state.

-Aaron

----- Original Message -----

From: erik_magrini@...

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [xl7] pardon - is this the new os they promised ?

Did you try changing your sysex send interval timer in the XL? That might help. As for quickly getting rid of the factory patterns, I don't know of a "quick" way. I just created a blank pattern with all of the Tracks set to the "Init Preset", and then used E-Loader to copy that into all of my pattern locations for one bank. From there you can upload the entire bank, then download it across all User banks. It's actually not as time consuming as it sounds, took me like 1/2 hour tops. :)

rEalm




Backing up my patterns was a length process, however. Every so often, I would get a 'transfer failed' message from the E-loader, and have to reselect the patterns. Does anyone have any ideas why this would occur?



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