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What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by just john

Okay, first:  I don't get out much, so I've never seen anybody play this
generation of Command Stations/beatboxes/whatever in a performance.

Laurie Anderson's show last year was the first I'd attended since
Lollapalooza II.  (In that one, Ministry seemed to use all live players --
at least 6.  It was a grand sound, by the way.)

Laurie Anderson used pre-recorded sound, but I think that was just
triggering a whole digital track per number.  But in her notes, she called
what she was doing dj-ing.


I know this generation of gizmos can be improvised with, live.  Normally, I
think of my Korg ES-1 when I think of that, but especially now that 2.0 is
here for the Command Station, one can mess it up incredibly.  (I mean "mess
it up" in a GOOD way.)

But what's it called?  I feel sheepish about calling it "Playing," since my
keyboard technique is pretty crappy.

And if it's dj-ing, then what's expected of the performer?  I normally
think of djs using recognizable stuff from records or other sample media,
so I don't know what the audience would be expecting from an EMU dj.


Anybody out there feel like describing a live gig with this thing?
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Re: [xl7] What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by biz@groovetronica.com

Most gigs I have done, I've been on the bill as 'Live P.A.'

I have no idea what the P.A. stands for. Personal Address system? However, it seems to be the nomer that is usually used for this kind of stuff, at least in the bay area.

I usually try to get billed as 'live electronica', though I am usually running more than the xl-7 - usually looping other instruments too...

bIz
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  Okay, first:  I don't get out much, so I've never seen anybody play this
  generation of Command Stations/beatboxes/whatever in a performance.

  Laurie Anderson's show last year was the first I'd attended since
  Lollapalooza II.  (In that one, Ministry seemed to use all live players --
  at least 6.  It was a grand sound, by the way.)

  Laurie Anderson used pre-recorded sound, but I think that was just
  triggering a whole digital track per number.  But in her notes, she called
  what she was doing dj-ing.


  I know this generation of gizmos can be improvised with, live.  Normally, I
  think of my Korg ES-1 when I think of that, but especially now that 2.0 is
  here for the Command Station, one can mess it up incredibly.  (I mean "mess
  it up" in a GOOD way.)

  But what's it called?  I feel sheepish about calling it "Playing," since my
  keyboard technique is pretty crappy.

  And if it's dj-ing, then what's expected of the performer?  I normally
  think of djs using recognizable stuff from records or other sample media,
  so I don't know what the audience would be expecting from an EMU dj.


  Anybody out there feel like describing a live gig with this thing?
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Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

I agree, "Live P.A." [public address?) is a pretty lame name for 
what should just simply be called performing. The distinction 
between playing a keyboard and doing a little of that and trigger 
loops and sequences to only triggering loops and sequences (whether 
improved or not--hey, beethoven and most rock isn't improved either) 
is all performing a show as far as I am concerned. 

I prefers saying I am playing a show than anything else, no matter 
what my role in the band, i.e. tradition keys, or full on button 
pressing.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <biz@g...> wrote:
> Most gigs I have done, I've been on the bill as 'Live P.A.'
> 
> I have no idea what the P.A. stands for. Personal Address system? 
However, it seems to be the nomer that is usually used for this kind 
of stuff, at least in the bay area.
> 
> I usually try to get billed as 'live electronica', though I am 
usually running more than the xl-7 - usually looping other 
instruments too...
> 
> bIz
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: just john 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 5:43 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] What is operating this thing live CALLED?
> 
> 
>   Okay, first:  I don't get out much, so I've never seen anybody 
play this
>   generation of Command Stations/beatboxes/whatever in a 
performance.
> 
>   Laurie Anderson's show last year was the first I'd attended since
>   Lollapalooza II.  (In that one, Ministry seemed to use all live 
players --
>   at least 6.  It was a grand sound, by the way.)
> 
>   Laurie Anderson used pre-recorded sound, but I think that was 
just
>   triggering a whole digital track per number.  But in her notes, 
she called
>   what she was doing dj-ing.
> 
> 
>   I know this generation of gizmos can be improvised with, live.  
Normally, I
>   think of my Korg ES-1 when I think of that, but especially now 
that 2.0 is
>   here for the Command Station, one can mess it up incredibly.  (I 
mean "mess
>   it up" in a GOOD way.)
> 
>   But what's it called?  I feel sheepish about calling 
it "Playing," since my
>   keyboard technique is pretty crappy.
> 
>   And if it's dj-ing, then what's expected of the performer?  I 
normally
>   think of djs using recognizable stuff from records or other 
sample media,
>   so I don't know what the audience would be expecting from an EMU 
dj.
> 
> 
>   Anybody out there feel like describing a live gig with this 
thing?
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Re: [xl7] What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by aeon

> I know this generation of gizmos can be
> improvised with, live.  Normally, I think
> of my Korg ES-1 when I think of that, but
> especially now that 2.0 is here for the
> Command Station, one can mess it up
> incredibly.  (I mean "mess it up" in a
> GOOD way.)
> 
> But what's it called?

Over on the Nord Mod list we call it gear-j'ing. :)


cheers,
aeon

Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by joesapo

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote:
> I agree, "Live P.A." [public address?) is a pretty lame name for 
> what should just simply be called performing. 

Actually, I always thought that "Live P.A." meant Live Production 
Artist...  

sapo

Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by Mark Pipher

And here I was thinking it means "Performance Art".

mp
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> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote:
>> I agree, "Live P.A." [public address?) is a pretty lame name for
>> what should just simply be called performing.
> 
> Actually, I always thought that "Live P.A." meant Live Production
> Artist...  
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Re: [xl7] What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-09 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

In the dance scene at least, most people call it a Live PA.  What do you 
mean by describe a live gig?

rEalm





But what's it called?  I feel sheepish about calling it "Playing," since 
my
keyboard technique is pretty crappy.

Anybody out there feel like describing a live gig with this thing?


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Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-10 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Live Performance Art sounds better, but is technically redundant, right? Plus, I am not sure that making music come out of speakers is "performance art" unless the term encompassed anything. Usually performance art is more along the lines of a play that is not a play, a musical piece that isn't too traditional. art that is not static, i.e. that has to be performed.

The whole Live PA thing sounds wierd to me. I always thought that the idea of someone or two or three or 17 or 65 people getting togethter to play instruments in front of people had been defined for a few thousand years as SHOW or concert or recital or just plain performance.

Live PA is kind of self depricating if you ask me. First of all, no one knows what it means, but it has a insular flavor to it, i.e. if you know you are cool, so if you don't know, don't ask and feel uncool. And it also somehow seems to imply that the performers aren't really playing, rather they are just doing . . .

I would prefer to call myself a musician than a live pa artist
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  And here I was thinking it means "Performance Art".

  mp

  On 4/8/03 10:34 PM, "joesapo" <joesapo@...> wrote:

  > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote:
  >> I agree, "Live P.A." [public address?) is a pretty lame name for
  >> what should just simply be called performing.
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  > Actually, I always thought that "Live P.A." meant Live Production
  > Artist...  
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Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Live PA is kind of self depricating if you ask me. First of all, no one 
knows what it means, but it has a insular flavor to it, i.e. if you know 
you are cool, so if you don't know, don't ask and feel uncool.

>>>Yeah, well if you were cool, you'd know all about it already! :)  J/k, 
I vividly remember going to my first rave and everyone was all excited 
because there was going to be a live pa there.  Even after getting dozens 
of explainations, it still took me a year or so to realize why it was 
different from DJing.  Geez, those were the goold old days... <<

I would prefer to call myself a musician than a live pa artist

>>I can think of some other things to call you if you need some more.... 
:) <<<

rEalm
 
 







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Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-11 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Live PA means a dude with his head bobbing behind a desk and you can't tell what he is doing. (who here has the guts to go onstage, pop in a cd and bob your head as you play your gameboy behind the desk?? One day I will do that . . ).

What's a non-live PA?

I am glad to learn that no one truly knows what that is about. The term raised my eyebrows higher than the term Sound Design (which of course now I do . .  :) )\

Even if it is a more modern term, it is a lame uninteresting combo of words.

I would rather truly describe what you are doing. I.e. 

    "tonight I am playing a psychotrance dance set,"
    "What do you mean?" 
    "I am performing. It's a show"
    "I don't get it, are you a dj?"
    "No, I am actually playing the instruments, and triggering sequences"
    "Oh,cool," 

Unless its like:

"I am doing a Live PA tonight." 
"Live PA! You are God! Can I have sex with you right here, right now?"

On second thought, I play Live PAs!!! (but I don't tell dudes).
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  Subject: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?


  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote:
  > I agree, "Live P.A." [public address?) is a pretty lame name for 
  > what should just simply be called performing. 

  Actually, I always thought that "Live P.A." meant Live Production 
  Artist...  

  sapo


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Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-11 by just john

>Live PA is kind of self depricating if you ask me. First of all, no one
>knows what it means, but it has a insular flavor to it, i.e. if you know
>you are cool, so if you don't know, don't ask and feel uncool.
>


Oh, it's obvious:  PA = Pennsylvania

(And if you use another handle while doing it, that's your "penn name" ...)


And going back a few messages, it can't be called "Performance Art" unless
it involves abstract dancing and/or spilling things (paint or food being
the normal media.)
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Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-11 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Or vacuum cleaners....

rEalm






And going back a few messages, it can't be called "Performance Art" unless
it involves abstract dancing and/or spilling things (paint or food being
the normal media.)
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Re: [xl7] Re: What is operating this thing live CALLED?

2003-04-12 by Evan Riley

>>And going back a few messages, it can't be called "Performance Art" unless
>>it involves abstract dancing and/or spilling things (paint or food being
>>the normal media.)


>>Or vacuum cleaners....

Only if you are KMFDM!

Evan








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