Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I have an Audity 2000, I will get the sysex dump from it, and a soundiver dump.
Do with it what you will...., I will post in a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: stevenlebeau [mailto:stevenlebeau@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 6:30 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Audity and audity extreme - was Re: [xl7] Re: 8 Proteus 2000
banks


> All we will need now are the Audity Presets. I've just joined the
A2k
> and audity 2000 mailing lists. Hopefully, someone will be kind
enough
> to help me out. If anyone here can rustle them up, send them to me,
at
> biz at groovetronica.com, I'll do my part for the 'cause' :>

You missed the part of my post stating that I'd already asked the
members of those two groups, and while some showed slight enthusiasm,
none were willing to actually do the sysex dumps (I had offered to do
the rest).

Anyway, screw perl: if you're gonna do it, do it with Java so that
everybody can use it.

Here's another thought: if anybody could create a little program to
batch convert these presets, it'd be the folks at E-mu. I wouldn't be
surprised if they already have an in-house program for that sort of
thing, anyway. (It'd be worth it, too, since then we could do these
types of conversions on a regular basis. I've heard requests from P2K
users for P2500 sounds, XL-1 users for XL-7 sounds, and most
recently, XL-7 users trying to get their hands on the Audity 2000
presets). Give the people what they want! :)

-Steven



To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> the sysex spec seems to be the same for both synths. the 
audity2000  <BR>
> page and the proteus page link to this doc.<BR>

This means there are essentially no differences between the units - 
apart from the waveforms available. 

This is really good news - it means that conversion should be >really< 
easy - no perl required. We can fix this in a text editor!!

For the audity extreme however, there will be a little fuss involved - 
we'll need to convert one number to another, though it's just 
subtraction. It's still a great deal simpler than I imagined.

The document on the site, while invaluable, takes us only halfway - 
it's designed for implementing an editor program rather than explaining 
the format of a patch sysex dump from the emu. No problem though. Now 
we know what to look for, we look at the sysex and work out where the 
important numbers in each layer are kept. This should be pretty trivial 
to find in an individual patch dump, though how it looks in a mass dump 
may be different from that.

Pity - it looks like the planet phatt will be a lot more complicated to 
convert. One step at a time, I suppose. (There's also the orbit, though 
at that point, we will be drowning in patches :>) It should not be too 
painful especially after the extreme is converted, and I have a planet 
phatt I can get the patches from.

Guys, this pdf is of interest to anyone using a software sequencer to 
control their units. In logic audio, at least, you could build 
environments that do as ultra cool stuff as turning of soloing in 
layers (way cool), switching samples on the fly, and altering the 
effects <sigh>. I miss logic... 

> so if we would know the different rom IDs someone might be able 
to  <BR>
> write a perl converter. i don\ufffdt know if there are any other 
differences.<BR>
> <BR>
> since i don\ufffdt have any experience with perl, it\ufffds up to someone 
with  <BR>

We can find the audity ROM ids from the patches themselves, when we can 
find them. We already have the xl-7 rom ids.

I have enough experience with perl to know what it can do, but not 
enough to actually write the script. I >do< have a number of friends I 
can hit up, especially for something as ridiculously simple as finding 
a number, and subtracting 287 from it, in hex. 

All we will need now are the Audity Presets. I've just joined the A2k 
and audity 2000 mailing lists. Hopefully, someone will be kind enough 
to help me out. If anyone here can rustle them up, send them to me, at 
biz at groovetronica.com, I'll do my part for the 'cause' :>

bIz

p.s. Sean, Aaron - thanks guys for the awesome upgrade! I can't wait to 
get home tonight...

> All we will need now are the Audity Presets. I've just joined the 
A2k 
> and audity 2000 mailing lists. Hopefully, someone will be kind 
enough 
> to help me out. If anyone here can rustle them up, send them to me, 
at 
> biz at groovetronica.com, I'll do my part for the 'cause' :>

You missed the part of my post stating that I'd already asked the 
members of those two groups, and while some showed slight enthusiasm, 
none were willing to actually do the sysex dumps (I had offered to do 
the rest).

Anyway, screw perl: if you're gonna do it, do it with Java so that 
everybody can use it.

Here's another thought: if anybody could create a little program to 
batch convert these presets, it'd be the folks at E-mu. I wouldn't be 
surprised if they already have an in-house program for that sort of 
thing, anyway. (It'd be worth it, too, since then we could do these 
types of conversions on a regular basis. I've heard requests from P2K 
users for P2500 sounds, XL-1 users for XL-7 sounds, and most 
recently, XL-7 users trying to get their hands on the Audity 2000 
presets). Give the people what they want! :)

-Steven

i already thought about a java editor or patch librarian.

theoretically java is able to acces available midi ports. i wrote a  
simple programm to list all my midi ports. on my pc this worked fine,  
but on my mac (ibook with midiman quatro) it only showed the internal  
midi synthesizers. maybe it is a problem with the midiman interface, or  
it is a general mac os x problem. i would be pleased if anyone can  
check this on another mac. just mail me and i´ll send you the very very  
small programm,

another problem is the xx7 sysex format. sorry emu, you did a great job  
creating those machines, but why is a single sound dump splitted into  
several pieces of sysex data ? at least, this is what i figured out of  
the sysex manual.
these several peaces makes it a bit complicated to write an editor

if there are any other people with java knowledge out there, maybe we  
can join effort an write our own patch librarian and sound converter.

feel free to contacte me offlist if you are interested.

alexander

Am Mittwoch, 09.04.03 um 03:29 Uhr schrieb stevenlebeau:

>> All we will need now are the Audity Presets. I've just joined the
> A2k
>> and audity 2000 mailing lists. Hopefully, someone will be kind
> enough
>> to help me out. If anyone here can rustle them up, send them to me,
> at
>> biz at groovetronica.com, I'll do my part for the 'cause' :>
>
> You missed the part of my post stating that I'd already asked the
> members of those two groups, and while some showed slight enthusiasm,
> none were willing to actually do the sysex dumps (I had offered to do
> the rest).
>
> Anyway, screw perl: if you're gonna do it, do it with Java so that
> everybody can use it.
>
> Here's another thought: if anybody could create a little program to
> batch convert these presets, it'd be the folks at E-mu. I wouldn't be
> surprised if they already have an in-house program for that sort of
> thing, anyway. (It'd be worth it, too, since then we could do these
> types of conversions on a regular basis. I've heard requests from P2K
> users for P2500 sounds, XL-1 users for XL-7 sounds, and most
> recently, XL-7 users trying to get their hands on the Audity 2000
> presets). Give the people what they want! :)
>
> -Steven
>
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor  
> ---------------------~-->
> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty  
> Dollars for Trying!
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/pWZylB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ~->
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to  
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

>You missed the part of my post stating that I'd already asked the
>members of those two groups, and while some showed slight enthusiasm,
>none were willing to actually do the sysex dumps (I had offered to do
>the rest).
>
>Anyway, screw perl: if you're gonna do it, do it with Java so that
>everybody can use it.

Actually, I was just going to convert them and post the presets. What would
anyone need the converter program for, once the presets were posted?

As far as the Audity/Audity extreme set at least, I have someone who can do
the conversion for us, if we can get ahold of the presets sysex.

>Here's another thought: if anybody could create a little program to
>batch convert these presets, it'd be the folks at E-mu. I wouldn't be
>surprised if they already have an in-house program for that sort of
>thing, anyway.
>
>(It'd be worth it, too, since then we could do these
>types of conversions on a regular basis. I've heard requests from P2K
>users for P2500 sounds, XL-1 users for XL-7 sounds, and most
>recently, XL-7 users trying to get their hands on the Audity 2000
>presets). Give the people what they want! :)

Why should they? It's not like this request has come up before...

P2k -> P2500 requires no conversion
XL-7-XL-1 the last thing I heard, this wasn't going to happen - because it
would involve some conversion. (Perhaps it was only the ROM id? Hmm... I'd
just love to get the P2500 presets on my (old format, and therefore
unconvertable) composer ROM)

bIz

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <biz@g...> wrote:
> P2k -> P2500 requires no conversion
> XL-7-XL-1 the last thing I heard, this wasn't going to happen - 

I found this on the XL-1 board. I've used these to put the banks of 
the XL7 into my wife's MP6 (with xlead rom) and they seem to work fine

http://www.midicase.com/downloads/xl7toxl1.zip