Sequencer
2003-04-04 by Tim
I'm thinking about getting an Xl-7 to sequence my external gear.. but i was wondering if the sequencer is anygood (Rs7000 style)? Cheers
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Sequencer
RE: [xl7] Sequencer
2003-04-04 by DJ_vgrep
I don't know how the RS7000's seq. is like, but I have opened the manual about 4 times since I have had the my MP-7, and two of them were because I could not figure out how to do something. I have had my MP-7 for about 2 months now, and I can say that I love how powerful the sequencer is. I am happy with mine. DJ_vgrep
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Re: Sequencer
2003-04-04 by mikexl7
The sequencer it very different from the rm1x, that much I know. It is quite good and is about to get a hole lot better with the new OS update. As for decribing the differences that is much harder. Evry thing is there for a basic sequencer. It has auto quantize, step edit, copy paste, smooth pattern transitions with the rare exception. I find that switching patterns when using extremly tight sounds that are being arp'ed, the notes sustain a little. But i have an i idea that might keep this from happening. try one out. Mike G. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tim_roosen112@y...> wrote: > I'm thinking about getting an Xl-7 to sequence my external gear.. but
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> i was wondering if the sequencer is anygood (Rs7000 style)? > > Cheers
Re: Sequencer
2003-04-04 by stevenlebeau
I had an RS-7000 for about a year (before I sold it to buy my XL-7). The RS-7000 is a cool sequencer in a lot of ways, but it (along with every previous Yamaha sequencer) also has some characteristics that can lead to some frustration. What I liked about the RS-7000: * Dedicated knobs to control a track's velocity, gate, and add midi delays * The ability to create "phrases" which could be used in multiple patterns/songs. * Track Split (note to e-mu: get on this one!): Allows you to record your drums on one track and then split it into several individual- drum tracks (especially useful for multitrack recording with the digital outputs). * 480 PPQ (much easier on my brain) What I didn't like about the RS-7000: * In order for a song to play without "hiccups" when patterns change, one has to convert the pattern chain to a "song." * Onboard sounds are generally weak, except for the drums which are generally really good. And the synth architecture isn't a quarter the quality of E-mu's. (Sounds can only have 2 layers). * Even if the synth architecture was good, you can only edit presets and save those settings with the pattern you're working on (i.e., you can't truly create your own presets with their own names, etc.) * Digital output is not standard. * General Midi (yuck!) * Sequences must be saved to external smart media card or scsi. Contents of memory erased when powered down. Trust me: get the XL-7. The RS-7000 wasn't the pinnacle of Yamaha's hardware sequencers. Even that still required one to expand backing tracks (similar to "convert pattern chain to song" on the RS-7000) in order to not have timing hiccups. (BTW, no operating system upgrades will ever fix these bugs, as Yamaha have stated time and time again). The XL-7 is so much more user-friendly in so many ways. You can effortlessly switch recording modes before an idea evaporates from your ADHD-stricken brain, and the powerful synthesis engine means you can actually use the onboard sounds. I wasn't ever able to use my RS- 7000 as a portable composer's workbench because it just didn't sound good! Another thing that should be mentioned is E-mu's much-higher level of dedication to their customer base. Yamaha have a reputation for releasing a couple of O.S. upgrades and then moving on to concentrate on some other product. E-mu has a reputation for continually refining their operating systems (Their E4 Ultra line are up to O.S. 4.7, if I'm correct). I guarantee that the XL-7 will, with the release of some future operating system, add some of the features I did like from the RS-7000 (the "split drum tracks" job would really be helpful...). > I'm thinking about getting an Xl-7 to sequence my external gear.. but
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> i was wondering if the sequencer is anygood (Rs7000 style)? > > Cheers
Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-04 by biz@groovetronica.com
For the price of an RS7000, you can buy an XL-7 and a used yamaha RM1x. This will give you 32 tracks at once, on two very complementary sequencers, and the emu sound set. It beats either unit alone, hands down; I can't recomend this combination highly enough. bIz
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From: stevenlebeau
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:33 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
I had an RS-7000 for about a year (before I sold it to buy my XL-7).
The RS-7000 is a cool sequencer in a lot of ways, but it (along with
every previous Yamaha sequencer) also has some characteristics that
can lead to some frustration.
What I liked about the RS-7000:
* Dedicated knobs to control a track's velocity, gate, and add midi
delays
* The ability to create "phrases" which could be used in multiple
patterns/songs.
* Track Split (note to e-mu: get on this one!): Allows you to record
your drums on one track and then split it into several individual-
drum tracks (especially useful for multitrack recording with the
digital outputs).
* 480 PPQ (much easier on my brain)
What I didn't like about the RS-7000:
* In order for a song to play without "hiccups" when patterns
change, one has to convert the pattern chain to a "song."
* Onboard sounds are generally weak, except for the drums which are
generally really good. And the synth architecture isn't a quarter the
quality of E-mu's. (Sounds can only have 2 layers).
* Even if the synth architecture was good, you can only edit presets
and save those settings with the pattern you're working on (i.e., you
can't truly create your own presets with their own names, etc.)
* Digital output is not standard.
* General Midi (yuck!)
* Sequences must be saved to external smart media card or scsi.
Contents of memory erased when powered down.
Trust me: get the XL-7. The RS-7000 wasn't the pinnacle of Yamaha's
hardware sequencers. Even that still required one to expand backing
tracks (similar to "convert pattern chain to song" on the RS-7000) in
order to not have timing hiccups. (BTW, no operating system upgrades
will ever fix these bugs, as Yamaha have stated time and time again).
The XL-7 is so much more user-friendly in so many ways. You can
effortlessly switch recording modes before an idea evaporates from
your ADHD-stricken brain, and the powerful synthesis engine means you
can actually use the onboard sounds. I wasn't ever able to use my RS-
7000 as a portable composer's workbench because it just didn't sound
good!
Another thing that should be mentioned is E-mu's much-higher level of
dedication to their customer base. Yamaha have a reputation for
releasing a couple of O.S. upgrades and then moving on to concentrate
on some other product. E-mu has a reputation for continually refining
their operating systems (Their E4 Ultra line are up to O.S. 4.7, if
I'm correct). I guarantee that the XL-7 will, with the release of
some future operating system, add some of the features I did like
from the RS-7000 (the "split drum tracks" job would really be
helpful...).
> I'm thinking about getting an Xl-7 to sequence my external gear..
but
> i was wondering if the sequencer is anygood (Rs7000 style)?
>
> Cheers
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-05 by A.Ruesberg
Am Freitag, 04.04.03 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb <biz@...>: > For the price of an RS7000, you can buy an XL-7 and a used yamaha RM1x. > > This will give you 32 tracks at once, on two very complementary > sequencers, and the emu sound set. It beats either unit alone, hands > down; I can't recomend this combination highly enough. > > bIz > > hello bIz do both sequencers sync together well ? i´ve still problems to sync my q to the xl 7. how about you others out there ? anyone else running an xl7 with another sequencer succesfully synced to it ? alexander
Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-05 by Silverman
In my own experience, syncing two sequencers together has allways been a bit messy and best avoided. sorry this isn't very helpful Silverman
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:32:02 +0200, you wrote: > >Am Freitag, 04.04.03 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb <biz@...>: > >> For the price of an RS7000, you can buy an XL-7 and a used yamaha RM1x. >> >> This will give you 32 tracks at once, on two very complementary >> sequencers, and the emu sound set. It beats either unit alone, hands >> down; I can't recomend this combination highly enough. >> >> bIz >> >> >hello bIz > >do both sequencers sync together well ? >i´ve still problems to sync my q to the xl 7. > >how about you others out there ? >anyone else running an xl7 with another sequencer succesfully synced to >it ? > >alexander > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >
Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-05 by Nick Rothwell
> In my own experience, syncing two sequencers > together has allways been a bit messy and best > avoided. I have an XL-7, Digital Performer and Max/MSP with some custom-written clock objects. They all lock together fine, although MOTU have their own idea about routing Song Pointer messages so it requires a bit of hackery to make it all work. -- nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com
Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-05 by Wesley D
> In my own experience, syncing two sequencers > together has allways been a bit messy and best > avoided. What do you do in terms of music creation? I'm guessing that you don't play live. Cuz there's really no other way to do much. And it's not always messy. As it's been stated, some seem to work better than others. Have had no problems with an MMT-8, or the Karma sequencer. $0.02 WEsley D. www.evolbeats.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-06 by Silverman
Yeah I've got a couple of MMt8s meself. I used to sync them to Atari ST's for transferring midi data up and down.Never a particularly enjoyable experience :( That's 1 of the things I like about the commands stations, is the E-loader transfers, takes a lot of the hassle away! I use Logic audio as my main sequencer and never bother to sync my MP7 to it. No I don't play live, but if I did I would use my mp7 and E6400 and program the sh*t out of the sampler to get over the 16/32 midi track limitation.ie loads of multi voiced single key presets!! In this case I could do an awful lot from 1 sequencer/synth and a quality sampler :)) Peace Silverman ed.
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> >What do you do in terms of music creation? I'm guessing that you don't play live. >Cuz there's really no other way to do much. And it's not always messy. As it's been stated, some seem to work better than others. > >Have had no problems with an MMT-8, or the Karma sequencer. > >$0.02 > >WEsley D. >www.evolbeats.com > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >
Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
2003-04-07 by biz@groovetronica.com
I've >never< had any synch problems with the two - not one. I can press start and stop on either machine. I also have a Live running on a laptop synched off the second emu port, and that's never had any synch problems either. I'm not sure what gear you are using that can't synch well, but it's not this pair. biz
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From: Silverman
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Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Sequencer
In my own experience, syncing two sequencers
together has allways been a bit messy and best
avoided.
sorry this isn't very helpful
Silverman
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:32:02 +0200, you wrote:
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>Am Freitag, 04.04.03 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb <biz@groovetronica.com>:
>
>> For the price of an RS7000, you can buy an XL-7 and a used yamaha RM1x.
>>
>> This will give you 32 tracks at once, on two very complementary
>> sequencers, and the emu sound set. It beats either unit alone, hands
>> down; I can't recomend this combination highly enough.
>>
>> bIz
>>
>>
>hello bIz
>
>do both sequencers sync together well ?
>i´ve still problems to sync my q to the xl 7.
>
>how about you others out there ?
>anyone else running an xl7 with another sequencer succesfully synced to
>it ?
>
>alexander
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