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Vintage Rom

2003-03-02 by Bill Kocher <billyk@insightbb.com>

Has anyone tried the new vintage rom yet?

Re: [xl7] Vintage Rom

2003-03-02 by David

I just ordered one.  They review it in Keyboard Magazine this month.  Take a
looksie... :)
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Re: Vintage Rom

2003-03-04 by djskurge <djskurge@yahoo.com>

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Kocher <billyk@i...>" <billyk@i...> 
wrote:
> Has anyone tried the new vintage rom yet?



Wow, I just listened to the mp3 demos on EMU's site. That Vintage_4 
demo is funk nasty!!, even for a demo. I am definitely picking up one 
of these. Will be my first one too :)


DJ Skurge - Detroit

Re: [xl7] Re: Vintage Rom

2003-03-04 by ->Nobody<-

Uh? 
http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilogy/demos.html

Even if it's off-topic, that's what I call demotunes. :)

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> Wow, I just listened to the mp3 demos on EMU's site. 
> That Vintage_4 demo is funk nasty!!, even for a demo.
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Vintage Rom

2003-11-25 by Christoph Kluxen

Hi,

what about the vintage rom? Do someone have it?

are there some dirty analog sounds on it, too? besides I heard some guitar
on the test mp3 on Emu page, 
hope they are better as on the X-Lead Rom.

What´s the Pop Rom? Which one is in the proteus?

Thanx,
Christop

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Re: Vintage Rom

2003-11-26 by andros_303

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Christoph Kluxen" <pocketd@g...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> What´s the Pop Rom? Which one is in the proteus?
> 
> Thanx,
> Christop
> 



hi cristoph,

i don't have the rom and the proteus but
i think the pop rom is in the proteus.

schreib mal den A.Ruesberg an der hat sein Xl7 plus proteus board 
verkauft er müsste das eigentlich genau wissen...

Re: [xl7] Vintage Rom

2003-11-26 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

The Pop ROM, PK-6 and the Proteus P2500 ROM are all basically the same.

rEalm





What´s the Pop Rom? Which one is in the proteus?

Thanx,
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Re: Vintage Rom

2003-11-26 by epoq

> are there some dirty analog sounds on it, too? besides I heard some 
guitar
> on the test mp3 on Emu page, 

I bought the vintage rom a couple of weeks ago, its quite nice. There 
aren't many guitar sounds though and the ones it does have aren't 
that great... This rom is directed more towards keyboards. The organs 
are spectacular, some of the best i've heard from a ROM synth, the 
e.pianos are quite good also. The drums are good but lacking in 
number. As for leads and basses, they're very nice, probably geared 
more towards the raw/dirty side of analog, rather than the 'warm'. 
The pads are excellent too. Overall, its a very strong rom.

Re: [xl7] Re: Vintage Rom

2003-12-04 by Cornell

I've been told that the Proteus Pop rom has some nice pianos and some okay guitars. Does the PP have slow wah wah guitar sounds? I love the wah wah.
 


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Re: [xl7] Re: Vintage Rom

2003-12-04 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

No, but all a wah wah is a filter/EQ, so you could fake it with the Filter 
Envelope and any number of filters on the XX-7.

rEalm





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I've been told that the Proteus Pop rom has some nice pianos and some okay 
guitars. Does the PP have slow wah wah guitar sounds? I love the wah wah.
 


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Roms

2003-12-20 by Cornell

I just installed 3 roms into my mp7. I am like extremely happy to have finally purchased these roms.  However, it's going to take me awhile to get used to them and figure out what I like and don't like. I'd like a shortcut to that.  I'd like some feedback on what is liked and not liked on these three roms by those who possess them....World Expedition, B3 Organ, Proteus Pop. I bought the PP for pianos and guitars. I got the WE for exotic instruments. I got the B3 solely for Gospel music that I do but it might find its way into some other genre as well. Thanks in advance for the input.  Peace!

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Re: Roms

2003-12-20 by allenscheer2003

The biggest thing I suggest is to get used to how the "Sound 
Navigator" functions ... you have to start thinking about all of 
those ROMs in your MP7 as a single collection. Don't just scroll 
through the presets in numeric order, that just jumps around too 
much, IMHO.

Cursor over to the preset type (kit, cmb, led, syn, etc.) and select 
which TYPE of sounds you want to experiment with first, then cursor 
over to the preset name and you can use the wheel to scroll through 
all of the presets of that type. You'll quickly discover 
the "keepers" from the "uhh, NOT" sounds for each preset type.
 
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Cornell <brothacee@y...> wrote:
> I just installed 3 roms into my mp7. I am like extremely happy to 
have finally purchased these roms.  However, it's going to take me 
awhile to get used to them and figure out what I like and don't like. 
I'd like a shortcut to that.  I'd like some feedback on what is liked 
and not liked on these three roms by those who possess them....World 
Expedition, B3 Organ, Proteus Pop. I bought the PP for pianos and 
guitars. I got the WE for exotic instruments. I got the B3 solely for 
Gospel music that I do but it might find its way into some other 
genre as well. Thanks in advance for the input.  Peace!

RE: [xl7] Roms

2003-12-20 by patrick a thomas

The pianos on the Proteus Pop are OK but not as good as the Coakley on the
ZR.  However, the Rhodes are decent and can serve well with a little
tweaking.  Also, I like some of the drums sounds on the Proteus Pop for
Gospel or instrumental jazz type songs.  Happy expanding!

Rev P

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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:11 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Roms


I just installed 3 roms into my mp7. I am like extremely happy to have
finally purchased these roms.  However, it's going to take me awhile to get
used to them and figure out what I like and don't like. I'd like a shortcut
to that.  I'd like some feedback on what is liked and not liked on these
three roms by those who possess them....World Expedition, B3 Organ, Proteus
Pop. I bought the PP for pianos and guitars. I got the WE for exotic
instruments. I got the B3 solely for Gospel music that I do but it might
find its way into some other genre as well. Thanks in advance for the input.
Peace!

Cornell



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Re: Roms

2003-12-20 by dj 61

Nothing too specific, but I particularly enjow the prc * and bow 
presets in the WE

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Cornell <brothacee@y...> wrote:
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> I just installed 3 roms into my mp7. I am like extremely happy to 
have finally purchased these roms.  However, it's going to take me 
awhile to get used to them and figure out what I like and don't 
like. I'd like a shortcut to that.  I'd like some feedback on what 
is liked and not liked on these three roms by those who possess 
them....World Expedition, B3 Organ, Proteus Pop. I bought the PP for 
pianos and guitars. I got the WE for exotic instruments. I got the 
B3 solely for Gospel music that I do but it might find its way into 
some other genre as well. Thanks in advance for the input.  Peace!
> 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Roms

2003-12-20 by Jeff Gronich

Can anybody recomend the beat garden Rom for electronic sounds. does it compliment the xl7 or just more of the same? is the protazoa worth anything?
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  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:33 PM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: Roms


  The biggest thing I suggest is to get used to how the "Sound 
  Navigator" functions ... you have to start thinking about all of 
  those ROMs in your MP7 as a single collection. Don't just scroll 
  through the presets in numeric order, that just jumps around too 
  much, IMHO.

  Cursor over to the preset type (kit, cmb, led, syn, etc.) and select 
  which TYPE of sounds you want to experiment with first, then cursor 
  over to the preset name and you can use the wheel to scroll through 
  all of the presets of that type. You'll quickly discover 
  the "keepers" from the "uhh, NOT" sounds for each preset type.

  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Cornell <brothacee@y...> wrote:
  > I just installed 3 roms into my mp7. I am like extremely happy to 
  have finally purchased these roms.  However, it's going to take me 
  awhile to get used to them and figure out what I like and don't like. 
  I'd like a shortcut to that.  I'd like some feedback on what is liked 
  and not liked on these three roms by those who possess them....World 
  Expedition, B3 Organ, Proteus Pop. I bought the PP for pianos and 
  guitars. I got the WE for exotic instruments. I got the B3 solely for 
  Gospel music that I do but it might find its way into some other 
  genre as well. Thanks in advance for the input.  Peace!




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Re: Roms

2003-12-21 by dj 61

There is an orbit 3 yahoo group for users of the techno synth and 
beat garden roms. It has demos in the files section and I am sure 
some of the other members would be happy to give you more detailed 
review of the rom. It might be worth checking out.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orbit3/

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Gronich" <jgronich1@c...> wrote:
> Can anybody recomend the beat garden Rom for electronic sounds. 
does it compliment the xl7 or just more of the same? is the protazoa 
worth anything?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: allenscheer2003 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:33 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] Re: Roms
> 
> 
>   The biggest thing I suggest is to get used to how the "Sound 
>   Navigator" functions ... you have to start thinking about all of 
>   those ROMs in your MP7 as a single collection. Don't just scroll 
>   through the presets in numeric order, that just jumps around too 
>   much, IMHO.
> 
>   Cursor over to the preset type (kit, cmb, led, syn, etc.) and 
select 
>   which TYPE of sounds you want to experiment with first, then 
cursor 
>   over to the preset name and you can use the wheel to scroll 
through 
>   all of the presets of that type. You'll quickly discover 
>   the "keepers" from the "uhh, NOT" sounds for each preset type.
> 
>   --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Cornell <brothacee@y...> wrote:
>   > I just installed 3 roms into my mp7. I am like extremely happy 
to 
>   have finally purchased these roms.  However, it's going to take 
me 
>   awhile to get used to them and figure out what I like and don't 
like. 
>   I'd like a shortcut to that.  I'd like some feedback on what is 
liked 
>   and not liked on these three roms by those who possess 
them....World 
>   Expedition, B3 Organ, Proteus Pop. I bought the PP for pianos 
and 
>   guitars. I got the WE for exotic instruments. I got the B3 
solely for 
>   Gospel music that I do but it might find its way into some other 
>   genre as well. Thanks in advance for the input.  Peace!
> 
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Vintage Rom

2004-01-13 by Matt Picone

Y'all were right: the Vintage ROM is really really good!
Now if I can only get that World/Earth rom I'll be maxxed

-m@

Roms

2015-03-29 by scioto123

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan


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Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-03-29 by eidorian@...

Most do.� Here's a good reference page:

http://www.theavenuesinstruments.com/emuroms.html

I found a guy selling EVERY single ROM ever made as a set somewhere a few days ago - for some obscene amount of money (many many thousands of euro).� You'd need a half a dozen Command Stations just to install them all!

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 05:58, scioto123 scioto123@... [xl7] wrote:

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
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Re: [xl7] Roms [1 Attachment]

2015-03-29 by Jon K. Carroll

I saw that one. It was a lot of duplicates, and several flash ROMs. Two Protean Drums sets, IIRC. It was a high price, yes, but if you calculate the value of all the ROMS he was� selling... it was like $2200 BIN, IIRC, and I calculated the value of the ROMs to be around $3600 at current prices.
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms [1 Attachment]

Most do.� Here's a good reference page:

http://www.theavenuesinstruments.com/emuroms.html

I found a guy selling EVERY single ROM ever made as a set somewhere a few days ago - for some obscene amount of money (many many thousands of euro).� You'd need a half a dozen Command Stations just to install them all!

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 05:58, scioto123 scioto123@... [xl7] wrote:

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3

Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-03-29 by Jon K. Carroll

they will all work
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 12:28 PM
Subject: [xl7] Roms

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
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Re: [xl7] Roms [1 Attachment]

2015-03-29 by Luc-Eric Rousseau

I'm a fan of this ROM guide, personally
Btw, The Avenues's web site is up but I think no one is behind it anymore. I bought the Protozoa ROM from them probably a decade ago.  Great ROM, I find the Composer from the Proteus 2500 comparatively quite bland.
 

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM, eidorian@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from eidorian@... included below]

Most do.  Here's a good reference page:

http://www.theavenuesinstruments.com/emuroms.html

I found a guy selling EVERY single ROM ever made as a set somewhere a few days ago - for some obscene amount of money (many many thousands of euro).  You'd need a half a dozen Command Stations just to install them all!

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 05:58, scioto123 scioto123@... [xl7] wrote:

 

 

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
 
 
Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3
 


Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-03-30 by eidorian@...

Thanks for the ebay guide link, that's helpful too.

Any price information is going to be a rough guide at best.� The market is too volatile, and prices vary between countries as well (on modules, at least, perhaps less so on ROMs as they are easier to post internationally).

For detailed technical info on ROMs it's hard to beat this link:� http://samplersonacid.com/legacy-emus-on-acid/download/Identifying+EMU+ROM+SIMMs+for+Proteus+2K+Family.doc

Yes, the price for the bulk lot was reasonable, but still a lot of money to drop in one go! :-)

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 09:21, 'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@... [xl7] wrote:

except, the prices he gives are several years out of date. Protean drums for $150? not in this decade.
�;
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms

I'm a fan of this ROM guide, personally
Btw, The Avenues's web site is up but I think no one is behind it anymore. I bought the Protozoa ROM from them probably a decade ago.� Great ROM, I find the Composer from the Proteus 2500 comparatively quite bland.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM, eidorian@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from eidorian@... included below]

Most do.� Here's a good reference page:

http://www.theavenuesinstruments.com/emuroms.html

I found a guy selling EVERY single ROM ever made as a set somewhere a few days ago - for some obscene amount of money (many many thousands of euro).� You'd need a half a dozen Command Stations just to install them all!

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 05:58, scioto123 scioto123@... [xl7] wrote:

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note� 3
 

Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-03-30 by First Last

i just bought a brand new 32mb flash rom from the avenue instruments



On Sunday, March 29, 2015 8:11 PM, "'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@infinite-elements.com [xl7]" wrote:


yes, but telling people their ‘target price’ for Protean Drums is $150� when it is selling for $300 or more (notice I said selling for, not ‘listed for BIN at inflated prices’) is only doing a disservice to the potential buyer.
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms
Thanks for the ebay guide link, that's helpful too.
Any price information is going to be a rough guide at best.� The market is too volatile, and prices vary between countries as well (on modules, at least, perhaps less so on ROMs as they are easier to post internationally).
For detailed technical info on ROMs it's hard to beat this link:� http://samplersonacid.com/legacy-emus-on-acid/download/Identifying+EMU+ROM+SIMMs+for+Proteus+2K+Family.doc
Yes, the price for the bulk lot was reasonable, but still a lot of money to drop in one go! :-)
Cheers,
A.
On 2015-03-30 09:21, 'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@... [xl7] wrote:
 
except, the prices he gives are several years out of date. Protean drums for $150? not in this decade.
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms
I'm a fan of this ROM guide, personally
Btw, The Avenues's web site is up but I think no one is behind it anymore. I bought the Protozoa ROM from them probably a decade ago.�; Great ROM, I find the Composer from the Proteus 2500 comparatively quite bland.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM, eidorian@... [xl7] <;xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from eidorian@... included below]
Most do.� Here's a good reference page:
I found a guy selling EVERY single ROM ever made as a set somewhere a few days ago - for some obscene amount of money (many many thousands of euro).� You'd need a half a dozen Command Stations just to install them all!
Cheers,
A.
On 2015-03-30 05:58, scioto123 scioto123@... [xl7] wrote:
Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3


Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-03-30 by eidorian@...

Fair enough.� Yes, I just read the whole page and the prices definitely need to be updated (by a factor or 2 or more), to match reality in my neck of the woods anyway.

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 10:41, 'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@... [xl7] wrote:

yes, but telling people their \u2018target price\u2019 for Protean Drums is $150� when it is selling for $300 or more (notice I said selling for, not \u2018listed for BIN at inflated prices\u2019) is only doing a disservice to the potential buyer.
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms

Thanks for the ebay guide link, that's helpful too.

Any price information is going to be a rough guide at best.� The market is too volatile, and prices vary between countries as well (on modules, at least, perhaps less so on ROMs as they are easier to post internationally).

For detailed technical info on ROMs it's hard to beat this link:� http://samplersonacid.com/legacy-emus-on-acid/download/Identifying+EMU+ROM+SIMMs+for+Proteus+2K+Family.doc

Yes, the price for the bulk lot was reasonable, but still a lot of money to drop in one go! :-)

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 09:21, 'Jon K. Carroll' joncarroll@... [xl7] wrote:

except, the prices he gives are several years out of date. Protean drums for $150? not in this decade.
�;
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms

I'm a fan of this ROM guide, personally
Btw, The Avenues's web site is up but I think no one is behind it anymore. I bought the Protozoa ROM from them probably a decade ago.� Great ROM, I find the Composer from the Proteus 2500 comparatively quite bland.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM, eidorian@... [xl7] <xl7@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from eidorian@... included below]

Most do.� Here's a good reference page:

http://www.theavenuesinstruments.com/emuroms.html

I found a guy selling EVERY single ROM ever made as a set somewhere a few days ago - for some obscene amount of money (many many thousands of euro).� You'd need a half a dozen Command Stations just to install them all!

Cheers,
A.

On 2015-03-30 05:58, scioto123 scioto123@... [xl7] wrote:

Will any of the roms from the rack units work in the MP7 or just certain ones. Thanks Bryan
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Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-04-25 by lanrosta@...

@Jon Carroll- Did you ever receive the ROM from theavenueinstruments? I ordered one around the same time as you and never received mine. I sent them several emails and one to his PayPal email. no response. no delivery. I just today got my money back from Paypal after a long and empty wait. He didn't even respond to PayPal requests. Just wondering if your experience was the same.

Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-04-25 by Jon K. Carroll

I ended up finding a Proteus 1000 at my local GC for less, pulling the ROM, and sending the unit to my bandmate who had broken hos Proteus 2000
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Roms

@Jon Carroll- Did you ever receive the ROM from theavenueinstruments? I ordered one around the same time as you and never received mine. I sent them several emails and one to his PayPal email. no response. no delivery. I just today got my money back from Paypal after a long and empty wait. He didn't even respond to PayPal requests. Just wondering if your experience was the same.

Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-04-25 by lanrosta@...

Was there any dialog between you and theavenueinstruments? how long did it take to receive? I really wanted one of those ROMS. I am going to assume he may have oversold what he actually had in stock. But, without Mr. Morrelli actually chiming in on this, I have no idea. Just rather disappointed to have to wait over a month to get my money back after never getting a response from him. The site has no phone number, and he doesn't answer support emails. Very unprofessional!

Re: [xl7] Roms

2015-04-25 by First Last

yeah i was worried for a second and never got answers to emails then it just showed up in the mail.� im sorry if youre having troubles



On Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:00 PM, "lanrosta@... [xl7]" wrote:


Was there any dialog between you and theavenueinstruments? how long did it take to receive? I really wanted one of those ROMS. I am going to assume he may have oversold what he actually had in stock. But, without Mr. Morrelli actually chiming in on this, I have no idea. Just rather disappointed to have to wait over a month to get my money back after never getting a response from him. The site has no phone number, and he doesn't answer support emails. Very unprofessional!