Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Just wanted to pass on that I have been trying to install ELoader on 
my Windows ME powered Laptop.  I see that it is using 
InstallAnywhere, which uses Java (I think).  This laptop gets used a 
lot when I am at the customer site debugging their Java stuff.  So it 
has JDK 1.3 on it.

Any ideas what could be going on?

Bruce

on 11/8/01 7:15 AM, bruce@... at bruce@... wrote:

> Just wanted to pass on that I have been trying to install ELoader on
> my Windows ME powered Laptop.  I see that it is using
> InstallAnywhere, which uses Java (I think).  This laptop gets used a
> lot when I am at the customer site debugging their Java stuff.  So it
> has JDK 1.3 on it.
> 
> Any ideas what could be going on?
> 
> Bruce

What kind of problem are you having? You are saying it is a problem with the
installer, not E-Loader itself, right?

Is there any error reported? I had a report of problems when trying to
install and there was a very down rev version of the Microsoft JVM on the
machine. Updating to a newer JVM fixed it for that tester. But if you have
the Sun 1.3 JDK on your machine, that should be fine.

Scott

The problem is with the installer on this machine. Not sure about
Eloader yet, have yet to get it installed.

There is no error code, even when running the installer from the
command line, also no errors in the java console.

Bruce

--- In xl7@y..., Scott Ruda <scottr@e...> wrote:
> on 11/8/01 7:15 AM, bruce@s... at bruce@s... wrote:
> 
> > Just wanted to pass on that I have been trying to install ELoader on
> > my Windows ME powered Laptop.  I see that it is using
> > InstallAnywhere, which uses Java (I think).  This laptop gets used a
> > lot when I am at the customer site debugging their Java stuff.  So it
> > has JDK 1.3 on it.
> > 
> > Any ideas what could be going on?
> > 
> > Bruce
> 
> What kind of problem are you having? You are saying it is a problem
with the
> installer, not E-Loader itself, right?
> 
> Is there any error reported? I had a report of problems when trying to
> install and there was a very down rev version of the Microsoft JVM
on the
> machine. Updating to a newer JVM fixed it for that tester. But if
you have
> the Sun 1.3 JDK on your machine, that should be fine.
> 
> Scott

on 11/8/01 4:16 PM, bruce@... at bruce@... wrote:

> The problem is with the installer on this machine. Not sure about
> Eloader yet, have yet to get it installed.
> 
> There is no error code, even when running the installer from the
> command line, also no errors in the java console.

You're saying that you double-click on the file named
ELoader_1.0_Installer.exe and absolutely nothing happens? No application
launches, no error message?

Note that the Installer itself is not a Java application, it is a native
Windows application. It does not need Java in order to run. At some point in
its work, it will want to access a Java VM, but if it can't find one, it
should be able to tell you that it can't find one, just like any other
Windows application that can't find a DLL or whatever.

Maybe we should take this discussion off-list, because it sounds like there
is some problem that is very specific to your machine. If we find some
information that would be valuable to others, we can always post our summary
findings.

Scott

I want to know why the E-Loader software isn't a native
Windows application... I don't know why, but I don't trust java 
100%...

I'm having trouble as well, it looks like the sysex messages get 
distorted all the time (both MIDI in and out), so there's no way to 
transmit a pattern from or to the XL-7.

I didn't have that problem when I connected the Waldorf Microwave XTk 
to the same computer and made a couple of sysex dumps.

Perhaps something with the soundcard. It's quite crappy thing. MPU-
401 btw. Perhaps something about the E-Loader software? I want to 
find out. All I hope is that it isn't my XL-7, it's enough buggy 
already...

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., Scott Ruda <scottr@e...> wrote:
> on 11/8/01 4:16 PM, bruce@s... at bruce@s... wrote:
> 
> > The problem is with the installer on this machine. Not sure about
> > Eloader yet, have yet to get it installed.
> > 
> > There is no error code, even when running the installer from the
> > command line, also no errors in the java console.
> 
> You're saying that you double-click on the file named
> ELoader_1.0_Installer.exe and absolutely nothing happens? No 
application
> launches, no error message?
> 
> Note that the Installer itself is not a Java application, it is a 
native
> Windows application. It does not need Java in order to run. At some 
point in
> its work, it will want to access a Java VM, but if it can't find 
one, it
> should be able to tell you that it can't find one, just like any 
other
> Windows application that can't find a DLL or whatever.
> 
> Maybe we should take this discussion off-list, because it sounds 
like there
> is some problem that is very specific to your machine. If we find 
some
> information that would be valuable to others, we can always post 
our summary
> findings.
> 
> Scott

on 11/9/01 4:50 AM, nifflas@... at nifflas@... wrote:

> I'm having trouble as well, it looks like the sysex messages get
> distorted all the time (both MIDI in and out), so there's no way to
> transmit a pattern from or to the XL-7.

Can you tell me a bit more about your failure symptoms? You say sysex
messages are getting 'distorted'. How are you coming to that conclusion? Are
there error messages reported?

Note that thousands of users are using E-Loader and it is working fine for
the vast majority of them. The more information you give me the better I can
help you figure out why your system is having problems.

Scott

Scott, 

I ran into this same thing over the weekend (Although I'm using Win98se). 
E-Loader would occasionally not transmit my patterns to the XL-7 properly, 
or give me an error mesage saying the pattern was not successfully 
downloaded.  If I rebooted the PC, then it would work fine.  Weird!

rEalm






on 11/9/01 4:50 AM, nifflas@... at nifflas@... wrote:

> I'm having trouble as well, it looks like the sysex messages get
> distorted all the time (both MIDI in and out), so there's no way to
> transmit a pattern from or to the XL-7.

Can you tell me a bit more about your failure symptoms? You say sysex
messages are getting 'distorted'. How are you coming to that conclusion? 
Are
there error messages reported?

Note that thousands of users are using E-Loader and it is working fine for
the vast majority of them. The more information you give me the better I 
can
help you figure out why your system is having problems.

Scott



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On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 05:24  AM, erik_magrini@... 
wrote:

> I ran into this same thing over the weekend (Although I'm using 
> Win98se).  E-Loader would occasionally not transmit my patterns to the 
> XL-7 properly, or give me an error mesage saying the pattern was not 
> successfully downloaded.  If I rebooted the PC, then it would work 
> fine.  Weird!

If this happens again, please open the Message Console, save the 
contents to a file (select Save from the File menu) and send it to me. 
This will help me understand what is going wrong.

Thanks,
Scott

11/13/01 02:04 AM
Please respond to xl7

To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Problems with Windows ME and E-Loader



On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 05:24 AM, erik_magrini@...
wrote:

>; I ran into this same thing over the weekend (Although I'm using
> Win98se). E-Loader would occasionally not transmit my patterns to the
> XL-7 properly, or give me an error mesage saying the pattern was not
> successfully downloaded. If I rebooted the PC, then it would work
> fine. Weird!

If this happens again, please open the Message Console, save the
contents to a file (select Save from the File menu) and send it to me.
This will help me understand what is going wrong.

Thanks,
Scott


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on 11/13/01 4:44 AM, erik_magrini@... at erik_magrini@...
wrote:

>>> I ran into this same thing over the weekend (Although I'm using
>>> Win98se). �E-Loader would occasionally not transmit my patterns to the
>>> XL-7 properly, or give me an error mesage saying the pattern was not
>>> successfully downloaded. �If I rebooted the PC, then it would work
>>> fine. �Weird!
>> 
>> If this happens again, please open the Message Console, save the
>> contents to a file (select Save from the File menu) and send it to me.
>> This will help me understand what is going wrong.
> 
> No problem.  Seems to happen most if I've got Cubase (5.1 r1) running, or just
> closed it out BTW.

You are bound to have problems if you have two MIDI programs open at the
same time trying to access the same ports. You just can't do that in
Windows, unless you use Hubi's Loopback or some other special software. Is
that what you are doing?

Does E-Loader work reliably for you when don't have any other MIDI programs
running?

Scott

Yeah, I figured that was true, so I closed Cubase, waited a few minutes 
and tried it again.  Still didn't work.  If I either run an audio app that 
requires the MIDI port, or run E- Laoder once previously, I need to 
restart my computer in order to run it again.  Kind of a pain when you 
want to upload a file to Cubase to edit a small part for instance and then 
downlaod it back into the XL....

realm



You are bound to have problems if you have two MIDI programs open at the
same time trying to access the same ports. You just can't do that in
Windows, unless you use Hubi's Loopback or some other special software. Is
that what you are doing?

Does E-Loader work reliably for you when don't have any other MIDI 
programs
running?

Scott



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