Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Ok, after looking at all your posts. It sounds like, the investment 
would have to be (For a long period) for dance, trance, melodic 
trance music.

Virus kc ($2199--whew! lot's of money here--hope it last me a 
lifetime!)

Orbit 3 
Techno Card ROM for the Orbit3


And to sequence, CUBASE VST ($99) for the PC.

Now, will CUBASE VST work for my pc with the Virus KC and Orbit3?

It says it has 48 Midi tracks on Cubase VST, what exactly does this 
mean? If I only have 16 Timbers I can use at one time on the Orbit3 
and 16 on the Virus--how will the others matter?

What are my limitations on Cubase VST for sequencing?

What else will I need? How do I hook the MIDI cable to my pc? Is 
there something I need to add on to the USB port, or can I just hook 
something up to my Joystick Port that is part of my Audigy 5.1 card?

Ok.  Multitimberality really means the instuments can play that many
simultaneous patches at the same time.  Most synths are 16 voice multitimbral
because midi only lets you transmit distinct information for 16 midi channels.
Some equipment like the Yamaha A5000 has multiple midi in's for 32 patches at a
time, or the XL-7 which has 32 tracks internally but can only recieve 16
channels from another device.  If your computer only has one midi cable sticking
out (Via gameport midi adapter) you will only get 16 distinct tracks of
sequencing, which could play 16 different sounds at a time on the virus KC, or
16 channels on the Orbit, or 8 on the virus and 8 on the orbit etc.  If I were
you I would still get the XL7 instead since it can sequence 16 tracks for itself
and 16 tracks for the Virus at the same time.

If you get what you are suggesting (And it would kick ass) you will need the
following setup
Either:
Computer->GamePort Cable->virus KC->Orbit 3->computer

OR

Computer -->Midiman USB 2x2 midi port---->Virus XC->2x2
                                    L---->Orbit 3 ->2x2

So when cubase vst says it will do 64 channels of audio it means it can do 4
ports of up to 16 midi channels, or  say your drum channels play on the same
midi channel (Midi Channel 10 is usually assigned to drums, each note plays a
different sound and gets it's own track) and uses 5 tracks would = 20 tracks
playing on 16 channels.  Double this if you have a midiman usb midi port for two
midi outs.  If you had this you would have 32 total midi channels and
potentially multiple tracks playing on the same midi channel for a total of up
to 64 channels in Cubase.  It's very doubtfull you will ever hit this number
though and if you did you can use midi program changes to switch out sounds on a
midi channel.

Andre

> Computer->GamePort Cable->virus KC->Orbit 3->computer

Unless, the Virus has a soft Thru, you'll be perpetually switching
between the Virus Out Port and the Virus Thru.  You can do this (I've
done it) but it's a royal pain in the ass.

Even if it does have soft thru (also known as merge), this screams
"MIDI loop" (if echo is on in Cubase).  At best, you'll have to
manually change the output channel on the keyboard to match Cubase, as
well as turning the volume down on the Virus when using the Orbit.

CPU out  ->  Virus In
Virus Out/Thru??? -> Orbit3 In
Orbit3 Thru -> CPU In

Better bet is to get a cheap 2x2 MIDI port (your second option I believe).

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Wow, this seems so complicated and almost as if I'll run into 
problems if I use my PC as the sequencer. :(

So, XL-7 seems to be the dream of sequencers right?

So, would this be the best set-up:

Virus Kc->XL-7->Rom Cards?

Or:

Midiman Keystation 61 MIDI Controller->Virus C->XL-7->Rom Cards

If I do it this way, will I be able to control everything from the 
Controller such as the Arpiggiator that is on the XL-7? When I had 
the Roland XP-80 set up, I also had an Orbit V1, and the arpiggiator 
on the Roalnd worked for the Orbit, and would record all my editing 
in realtime and the arpiggiator stuff too. So, In playback, it would 
play it exactly the way I was tweaking it in realtime. Will this be 
possible if I use the XL-7 as the controller? I heard the XL-7 
doesn't have the ability to tweak resonance once it's recording--it 
just stays set. What if I change the resonance while I'm using my KC 
while I'm recording on the XL-7, will this be recorded? Also, if I 
made a song, and saved it on my XL-7, and turned off all the 
equipment. Will the XL-7 tell the KC and Orbit3 what timbers I used 
on a song I load up? Or do I have to write all the timbers, and 
channels they were on on a piece of paper so that I can put them all 
back manually?

Thanks

--- "OneSneakYmousE <onesneakymouse@...>" wrote:
> Wow, this seems so complicated and almost as if I'll run into 
> problems if I use my PC as the sequencer. :(

Not really, it's more that you really need (ideally) a dedicated port
per device (i.e. a 2 port MIDI device for an Orbit and a Virus).  Or
less ideally, you could do the following:

Virus Out -> CPU In
CPU Out -> Virus In
Virus Thru -> Orbit In

But then you wouldn't be able to play the Orbit without have the
computer on and your sequencer running with Echo On.

> So, XL-7 seems to be the dream of sequencers right?

It really depends on what you're doing.  Ideally, you could get both an
XL-7 and Cubase to have all your sequencing bases covered.  Cubase is
much better for doing linear songwriting and editing, but the XL-7
rocks for immediate pattern-based gratification (i.e. you've got that
drumbeat in your head, and with probably less than 10 seconds on the
XL-7, you could have started a new song, recorded the drumbeat, and
have it already looping, waiting for you to have more inspiration!)

> So, would this be the best set-up:
> 
> Virus Kc->XL-7->Rom Cards?
> Or:
> Midiman Keystation 61 MIDI Controller->Virus C->XL-7->Rom Cards

Either would be equally good.

> If I do it this way, will I be able to control everything from the 
> Controller such as the Arpiggiator that is on the XL-7?

Yes.  With either setup.

> So, In playback, it would play it exactly the way I was tweaking it
> in realtime. Will this be possible if I use the XL-7?

Yes.

> I heard the XL-7 doesn't have the ability to tweak resonance once
> it's recording--it just stays set.

Not true.  Each *note* you play will get a new swept resonance value. 
In practice, this really isn't that noticably different from having
realtime Q.  The time it's most missed is if you hold one note for a
few measures (like a pad) - that's where you'll notice it not changing.

> What if I change the resonance while I'm using my KC 
> while I'm recording on the XL-7, will this be recorded?

Presuming the Virus transmits data for the knob movement, yes.

> Also, if I made a song, and saved it on my XL-7, and turned off all
> the equipment. Will the XL-7 tell the KC and Orbit3 what timbers I
> used on a song I load up? Or do I have to write all the timbers, and
> channels they were on on a piece of paper so that I can put them all
> back manually?

Well, neither.  =)  It can't know by itself what you used on your
Virus, but you *can* insert a program change for the Virus tracks in
the XL-7.  That way it will automatically change your Virus to the
right preset, but you do have to tell it to do so.  All the XL-7
internal stuff will save by itself (since it can know what it's
playing!)

-Aaron

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Wow, this is a bummer that:

> Well, neither. =) It can't know by itself what you used on your
> Virus, but you *can* insert a program change for the Virus tracks 
in
> the XL-7. That way it will automatically change your Virus to the
> right preset, but you do have to tell it to do so. All the XL-7
> internal stuff will save by itself (since it can know what it's
> playing!)
> 
> -Aaron


I always had this problem with my older set-up: Roland-XP 80, Orbit 
and a few other modules.

My roland xp-80 remembered the patches that I set up on each channel 
on the roland itself so that when the song was loaded up, it was 
all set; however, I had to remember what patches I set the Orbit and 
what channels those patches were on. :( I sometimes forgot :( :( :(

So, if sequencers do that internally, will it work if I got Cubase? 

Like, if I just had

Controller XK-6->PC Cubase VST-> Orbit3

When I make a song with the Cubase program, will it remember what 
patches I set the Orbit3 and my XK6 keyboard controller and synth 
when I load up the song on my PC?

--- "OneSneakYmousE <onesneakymouse@...>" wrote:
> Wow, this is a bummer that:
> 
> > you *can* insert a program change for the Virus tracks in
> > the XL-7. That way it will automatically change your Virus to the
> > to the right preset

Read that again...

Even with a software sequencer, you have to tell it what patch to play.
 The sequencer can't telepathically query your other gear to find out
what you've selected.  You'll never have to remember, you just have to
input it the first time you create the song.

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Oh, I was reading somewhere on my old Korg N364 that you could have 
the Orbit set to those settings once you load the song up on the 
Korg N346, all I had to do was a midi dump from the Orbit, but this 
never worked for me. 

Wow, you know. I haven't found one Guitar Center or music store in 
my area: SF, California that has any of this equipment in stock! I 
can't find anything. All they do is say, we can special order it :(





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> --- "OneSneakYmousE <onesneakymouse@o...>" wrote:
> > Wow, this is a bummer that:
> > 
> > > you *can* insert a program change for the Virus tracks in
> > > the XL-7. That way it will automatically change your Virus to 
the
> > > to the right preset
> 
> Read that again...
> 
> Even with a software sequencer, you have to tell it what patch to 
play.
>  The sequencer can't telepathically query your other gear to find 
out
> what you've selected.  You'll never have to remember, you just 
have to

> input it the first time you create the song.
> 
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Mate, I would seriously suggest heading over to Computermusic.co.uk and 
start reading on the beginners section.  No offense, but each of those 
questiosn could take hours to answer, and it's apparent from your 
questions that you need to do a little diging to finalize what you want. 
Not trying to be a jerk, but you're about to drop a serious chunk of 
change on some gear, and relying solely on OUR opinions about what will 
work for YOU. 

Head there so you can get up to speed on what all is need for computer 
sequencing, and then go some music stores to actually play wih the 
keyboards/modules you're thinking of getting.  Until you geta  couple 
hours of hands on time, you're just not going to know what you want/like.

rEalm






"OneSneakYmousE <onesneakymouse@...>"    <onesneakymouse
01/29/2003 06:53 PM
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        Subject:        [xl7] Cubase VST and my set up..will this work..


Ok, after looking at all your posts. It sounds like, the investment 
would have to be (For a long period) for dance, trance, melodic 
trance music.

Virus kc
Orbit 3 
Techno Card ROM for the Orbit3


And to sequence, CUBASE VST for the PC.

Now, will CUBASE VST work for my pc with the Virus KC and Orbit3?

It says it has 48 Midi tracks on Cubase VST, what exactly does this 
mean? If I only have 16 Timbers I can use at one time on the Orbit3 
and 16 on the Virus--how will the others matter?

What are my limitations on Cubase VST for sequencing?

What else will I need? How do I hook the MIDI cable to my pc? Is 
there something I need to add on to the USB port, or can I just hook 
something up to my Joystick Port that is part of my Audigy 5.1 card?


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Unless, the Virus has a soft Thru,

>>>It does. <<<

Better bet is to get a cheap 2x2 MIDI port (your second option I believe).

>>>Definitely, only $50 too. <<

rEalm

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Get a MIDIman Midisport 2x2, then set it up like this:

Virus KC Midi Out               >      Midisport Midi In Port A
Midisport Midi Out Port A   >      Orbit Midi In
Orbit Midi Out                    >      Midisport Midi In Port B 
Midisport Midi Out Port B   >       Virus KC

That way you can still play the orbit from the Virus without having the 
computer switched on, just engage the "Thru" switch on the Midisport.

rEalm






Virus Out -> CPU In
CPU Out -> Virus In
Virus Thru -> Orbit In

But then you wouldn't be able to play the Orbit without have the
computer on and your sequencer running with Echo On.







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> Wow, you know. I haven't found one Guitar Center or music store in 
> my area: SF, California that has any of this equipment in stock! I 
> can't find anything. All they do is say, we can special order it :(


Here is the location of G. Center in the S.F. area. -
http://www.guitarcenter.com/cgi-bin/location.cgi/frame/SanFrancisco/
If they don't have the gear you are looking for I suggest
www.musiciansfriend.com as they are partnered with G.C. I have been 
shopping with them for years. In fact you could save some cash 
becuase they are doing free shipping on items over 200 dollars and 
there won't sales tax being that they are out of state.


-Greg

Actually, that's not entirely true you will end up paying sales tax.  If you
really want to pick up gear I suggest trying zZounds.com first.  The Guitar
Center in SF has a lot of good gear to play with, it will give you a chance to
check out the waldorf stuff and the emu keyboards (They had em last time I was
there.

Andre

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From: Greg <golerage@...> [mailto:golerage@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:38 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Cubase VST and my set up..will this work..



> Wow, you know. I haven't found one Guitar Center or music store in
> my area: SF, California that has any of this equipment in stock! I
> can't find anything. All they do is say, we can special order it :(


Here is the location of G. Center in the S.F. area. -
http://www.guitarcenter.com/cgi-bin/location.cgi/frame/SanFrancisco/
If they don't have the gear you are looking for I suggest
www.musiciansfriend.com as they are partnered with G.C. I have been
shopping with them for years. In fact you could save some cash
becuase they are doing free shipping on items over 200 dollars and
there won't sales tax being that they are out of state.


-Greg



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