Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

curiousproductions@... wrote:

> I don't think that got any answer to my previous question so im sorry
> for repeating myself.
>
> So i take it that there is no way to place program changes withought
> using a computer sequencer?

When you save a pattern, it will save a program change at the beginning of
each *used* track corresponding to the preset on the channel that the track
references.  Two things to note here...

First is that a track must have data for it to store its initial state (vol,
pan, arp, preset, etc).  If you want just an empty track with initial events,
just record some little blip of a controller or something, and then when you
save the pattern, it will write events into that track.

Second is that tracks don't necessarily have to be one to one mappings with
channels (as assigned in the second to last screen in the pattern edit
menu).  The channel data saved on the track is the one that it is assigned
to, and for Multi tracks, it saves every channel for which there is data in
that track.

Also, you can record program changes into your sequence in realtime record
mode from MIDI.

That being said, if you want to insert a program change (or any other type of
event) anywhere in your sequence, using the display (like an event list type
thing), maybe if you clamor enough, we E-mu people might listen and release
it in a software rev... =)


> Also, has anyone elts noticed a slight glitch when you pres the enter
> button to set the new pattern as active?  it only seems to happen
> when there is a larg pattern. It was happening very offten when using
> 8 to 32 bar patterns.

Very important:  Make sure you have the latest (1.01) software.  This fixes
glitches between patterns (albeit at pattern change time, not selection
time).  This may or may not fix your problem.  If it doesn't, or you already
have 1.01, let me know...


> that aside i am rely enjoying using this box, it is verry refreshing
> and musical compaired to the computer sequencer platform.

I'm glad you enjoy it!

Cheers,
  -Aaron

PS. nice track BTW!  what sound are you using for that cool octave jump
motif?

--- In xl7@y..., Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@e...> wrote:
> curiousproductions@h... wrote:

> > So i take it that there is no way to place program changes 
withought using a computer sequencer?
> 
> When you save a pattern, it will save a program change at the 
beginning of
> each *used* track corresponding to the preset on the channel that 
the track
> references.  Two things to note here...
(cut to end of quote) 
> Also, you can record program changes into your sequence in realtime 
record mode from MIDI.

Ok my question here is can i send a dump somehow from a E-MU E5000 
somehow in order to get this to work with external gear? does that 
even make sence?  
> 
> That being said, if you want to insert a program change (or any 
other type of
> event) anywhere in your sequence, using the display (like an event 
list type
> thing), maybe if you clamor enough, we E-mu people might listen and 
release
> it in a software rev... =)
CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR 
CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR CLAMOR!
:)  Ok i have to say that that a list editor is realy needed on this 
thing.  I would be supper supper happy if you got one in there 
somehow i would even bake you muffens or cookies and send em down to 
you if you did it.  MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM cookies are soooo good you like 
cookies don't you, home made cookies and a glass of cold milk, 
MMMMMMMM yummy.

> > Also, has anyone elts noticed a slight glitch when you press the 
enter
> > button to set the new pattern as active?  it only seems to happen
> > when there is a larg pattern. It was happening very offten when 
using
> > 8 to 32 bar patterns.
> 
> Very important:  Make sure you have the latest (1.01) software.  
This fixes glitches between patterns (albeit at pattern change time, 
not selection
> time).  This may or may not fix your problem.  If it doesn't, or 
you already
> have 1.01, let me know...
> 
I am running 1.01
> 
> > that aside i am rely enjoying using this box, it is verry 
refreshing
> > and musical compaired to the computer sequencer platform.
> 
> I'm glad you enjoy it!
> 
> Cheers,
>   -Aaron
> 
> he he.
PS. nice track BTW!  what sound are you using for that cool octave 
jump
> motif?

Thanks alot, um is that not a secret ;)he he he.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@...> wrote:
> When you save a pattern, it will save a program change at the
beginning of
> each *used* track corresponding to the preset on the channel that
the track
> references.  Two things to note here...
> 
> First is that a track must have data for it to store its initial
state (vol,
> pan, arp, preset, etc).  If you want just an empty track with
initial events,
> just record some little blip of a controller or something, and then
when you
> save the pattern, it will write events into that track.
> 
> Second is that tracks don't necessarily have to be one to one
mappings with
> channels (as assigned in the second to last screen in the pattern edit
> menu).  The channel data saved on the track is the one that it is
assigned
> to, and for Multi tracks, it saves every channel for which there is
data in
> that track.

Sorry to dredge up this old post, but I'm not having any luck getting
my PX-7 to send program changes to my synths.  Is the above still true
in the latest software revision?  I don't see any program changes in
the event list editor after I save a program and the PX-7 doesn't
appear to be sending any.

Manually inserting the program changes in the event list editor
doesn't seem to work either.

Certainly don't worry about dredging up posts, it means you're using
search!

Make sure your tracks are set to external in the screen near the end of
the pattern edit menu.  Otherwise, it won't transmit program changes. 
Note that "both" is not enough, since it assumes that the chances that
you'd want to same exact program change on the internal synth as your
external synth is about zero, so it sends the pc only internally.

-Aaron

--- milesegan <milesegan@...> wrote:
> Sorry to dredge up this old post, but I'm not having any luck getting
> my PX-7 to send program changes to my synths.  Is the above still
> true
> in the latest software revision?  I don't see any program changes in
> the event list editor after I save a program and the PX-7 doesn't
> appear to be sending any.
> 
> Manually inserting the program changes in the event list editor
> doesn't seem to work either.

> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@...> wrote:
> > When you save a pattern, it will save a program change at the
> beginning of
> > each *used* track corresponding to the preset on the channel that
> the track
> > references.  Two things to note here...
> > 
> > First is that a track must have data for it to store its initial
> state (vol,
> > pan, arp, preset, etc).  If you want just an empty track with
> initial events,
> > just record some little blip of a controller or something, and then
> when you
> > save the pattern, it will write events into that track.
> > 
> > Second is that tracks don't necessarily have to be one to one
> mappings with
> > channels (as assigned in the second to last screen in the pattern
> edit
> > menu).  The channel data saved on the track is the one that it is
> assigned
> > to, and for Multi tracks, it saves every channel for which there is
> data in
> > that track.

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What are your channel assignments for tracks going to external 
synths?  Dest. should be ext. Dest. = both doesn't do it.

Also, to see program changes on internal tracks, set Dest to ext. 
and look at tick 0. If you've already entered the event editor, you 
may have to reload the sequence to see tick 0.

Hope this helps.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "milesegan" <milesegan@...> wrote:

[snip]

> Sorry to dredge up this old post, but I'm not having any luck 
getting
> my PX-7 to send program changes to my synths.  Is the above still 
true
> in the latest software revision?  I don't see any program changes 
in
> the event list editor after I save a program and the PX-7 doesn't
> appear to be sending any.
> 
> Manually inserting the program changes in the event list editor
> doesn't seem to work either.


FOR FURTHER DETAILS:

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
>
> If you want to see the events in the event viewer, temporarily set 
the
> track to external. When set to internal, it hides the events that 
it
> puts in at tick 0 so that the casual user doesn't delete events 
that
> the sequencer puts in there.
>
> If you want to fix the program changes, however, you don't have to 
use
> the event editor at all. Just set up the presets with the main 
screen
> and resave the pattern.
>
> -Aaron

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/17052

is there a way to surf thru presets on an external mudule thru the px-7? My 
asr-x pro does this perfectly but on the px-7 you have to send a program change 
just to change a preset.


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For all practical purposes, no.

Years ago I discovered one way to do it, but it wasn't very 
practical. As I recall, using remote control mode (via sysex) I 
created a very short pattern (1/16th note, maybe) that when looped 
constantly at a fast speed read the turing of the data know and sent 
out program changes.  It was not worth the effort.

If for some reason, you must have this feature; I could probably 
give you insights into sysex/remote control programming.

--Steve


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, jibarosoul@... wrote:
>
> is there a way to surf thru presets on an external mudule thru the
> px-7? My asr-x pro does this perfectly but on the px-7 you have to
> send a program change just to change a preset.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
>
> Certainly don't worry about dredging up posts, it means you're using
> search!
> 
> Make sure your tracks are set to external in the screen near the end of
> the pattern edit menu.  Otherwise, it won't transmit program changes. 
> Note that "both" is not enough, since it assumes that the chances that
> you'd want to same exact program change on the internal synth as your
> external synth is about zero, so it sends the pc only internally.

I double-checked that the track is set to ext, and tried sending some
program changes from another synth on the same channel just to make
sure everything was working and that I didn't have some kind of filter
in my midi chain, but still no luck with the PX-7.  I'm sure I'm
missing something obvious though.  I also tried inserting a program
change in the middle of the sequence in case it was something weird
about the first event in the sequence, but that didn't seem to make
any difference either.

Thanks for your help.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
>
> What are your channel assignments for tracks going to external 
> synths?  Dest. should be ext. Dest. = both doesn't do it.

I double-checked this after surfing through some messages on this
group but it didn't seem to make any difference.  I also tried several
target synths just in case it was some peculiarity of one instrument,
but with no luck.

> Also, to see program changes on internal tracks, set Dest to ext. 
> and look at tick 0. If you've already entered the event editor, you 
> may have to reload the sequence to see tick 0.

By reloading the sequence do you mean saving it, switching to another
sequence, then back to the original?  I haven't tried that yet.