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2003-01-09 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Interesting I didn't know that the text messages appeared in SX's List Editor (shows how much I use that outside of exporting sysex!). rElam > > One thing. When I go into CUBASEsx's midi list editor, it says at > > measure -0001.01.02.040 (yes negetive) TEXT "Pattern > > Change: -02'0 ------STOP------| MUTES: PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-09 by Aaron Eppolito
--- erik_magrini@... wrote: > Interesting I didn't know that the text messages appeared in SX's > List Editor (shows how much I use that outside of exporting sysex!) Yeah, that was the idea of using text events. Since there's no standard on how pattern chaining should be expressed in a Standard MIDI File (despite some work being done by the SMF Looping/Branching Working Group), I chose text events so they could be edited in most any sequencer and hopefully not be stripped out like a sequencer specific message. -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2003-01-09 by David DeciBel
Is there a good sequencer that I could use to edit these smf files? Preferably a FREEWARE one. Cubase SX is not really working for me ----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Eppolito" <synthesis77@...> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [xl7] Stop step > --- erik_magrini@... wrote: > > Interesting I didn't know that the text messages appeared in SX's > > List Editor (shows how much I use that outside of exporting sysex!) > > Yeah, that was the idea of using text events. Since there's no > standard on how pattern chaining should be expressed in a Standard MIDI > File (despite some work being done by the SMF Looping/Branching Working > Group), I chose text events so they could be edited in most any > sequencer and hopefully not be stripped out like a sequencer specific > message. > > -Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2003-01-09 by drK
On 1/9/03 3:39 PM, "Aaron Eppolito" <synthesis77@...> wrote: > Yeah, that was the idea of using text events. Since there's no > standard on how pattern chaining should be expressed in a Standard MIDI > File (despite some work being done by the SMF Looping/Branching Working > Group), I chose text events so they could be edited in most any > sequencer and hopefully not be stripped out like a sequencer specific > message. Aaron I was surprised by the statement about pattern chaining in an SMF, not because I know different (I don't) but because I was under the assumption that the whole reason Dave Oppenheim pushed for the Type-2 SMF format was to allow subsequences, which in my mind always included the simpler case of a bunch of chained sequences. Are we both right because type-2 was not an option to use because it was not ever widely implemented (was it ever implemented outside of Opcode's Studio Vision?)? Sorry for the spurious interrupt. The subject is probably not of much interest to anyone else. Just my curiosity. drk www.delora.com/music www.mp3.com/zdrk drk.iuma.com
2003-01-09 by Aaron Eppolito
--- drK <drk@...> wrote: > Aaron I was surprised by the statement about pattern chaining in an > SMF, not because I know different (I don't) but because I was under > the assumption that the whole reason Dave Oppenheim pushed for the > Type-2 SMF format was to allow subsequences, which in my mind always > included the simpler case of a bunch of chained sequences. Are we > both right because type-2 was not an option to use because it was > not ever widely implemented (was it ever implemented outside of > Opcode's Studio Vision?)? Type 0 files are single-sequence, single-track files. Type 1 files are single-sequence, MULTI -track files. Type 2 files are MULTI -sequence, SINGLE-track files. If there were a type 3 file (I'm envisioning mutli-seq, multi-track), that would be almost perfect, but they don't exist. Type 2 files don't cut it primarily because they don't support multitrack (a requirement for XL-7). Also, there's the issue of data ownership. Sometimes it's nice to have all of the data bundled together (like multiple sequences in one file), however, that leads to much duplication and editing issues. On the other hand, files using "links" to other separate files are pleasantly small, but can break when the links fail. The branching/looping working group (headed by Chris Grigg if I remember correctly) was proposing a few additions to the SMF tags that would allow some form of file link, some conditionals (like "if", "else" "for", "while", etc), and anchor/jump points. I kinda stopped paying attention about a year ago when I ran out of time and it was clear that the problem wouldn't be solved in time for XL-7. > Sorry for the spurious interrupt. The subject is probably not of > much interest to anyone else. Just my curiosity. Nice use of "spurious interrupt". =) Trust me, file format issues like this were the source of MUCH agony when designing the sequencer! -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2003-01-10 by drK
Thanks Aaron. I did know/forgot that type 2 were single track only. Some of the looping additions (conditions) sound like some of the odd but cool pseudo midi commands that Dr T's used to have in the KCS. drK
On 1/9/03 6:24 PM, "Aaron Eppolito" <synthesis77@...> wrote: > --- drK <drk@...> wrote: >> Aaron I was surprised by the statement about pattern chaining in an >> SMF, not because I know different (I don't) but because I was under >> the assumption that the whole reason Dave Oppenheim pushed for the >> Type-2 SMF format was to allow subsequences, which in my mind always >> included the simpler case of a bunch of chained sequences. Are we >> both right because type-2 was not an option to use because it was >> not ever widely implemented (was it ever implemented outside of >> Opcode's Studio Vision?)? > > Type 0 files are single-sequence, single-track files. > Type 1 files are single-sequence, MULTI -track files. > Type 2 files are MULTI -sequence, SINGLE-track files. > > If there were a type 3 file (I'm envisioning mutli-seq, multi-track), > that would be almost perfect, but they don't exist. Type 2 files don't > cut it primarily because they don't support multitrack (a requirement > for XL-7). > > Also, there's the issue of data ownership. Sometimes it's nice to have > all of the data bundled together (like multiple sequences in one file), > however, that leads to much duplication and editing issues. On the > other hand, files using "links" to other separate files are pleasantly > small, but can break when the links fail. > > The branching/looping working group (headed by Chris Grigg if I > remember correctly) was proposing a few additions to the SMF tags that > would allow some form of file link, some conditionals (like "if", > "else" "for", "while", etc), and anchor/jump points. I kinda stopped > paying attention about a year ago when I ran out of time and it was > clear that the problem wouldn't be solved in time for XL-7. > >> Sorry for the spurious interrupt. The subject is probably not of >> much interest to anyone else. Just my curiosity. > > Nice use of "spurious interrupt". =) Trust me, file format issues > like this were the source of MUCH agony when designing the sequencer! > > -Aaron
2003-01-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
What issues are you having with SX? I use it daily, maybe I could help?
rEalm
"David DeciBel" <spec@...>
01/09/03 04:21 PM
Please respond to xl7
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
cc: Subject: Re: [xl7] Stop step Is there a good sequencer that I could use to edit these smf files? Preferably a FREEWARE one. Cubase SX is not really working for me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Eppolito" <synthesis77@...> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [xl7] Stop step > --- erik_magrini@... wrote: > > Interesting I didn't know that the text messages appeared in SX's > > List Editor (shows how much I use that outside of exporting sysex!) > > Yeah, that was the idea of using text events. Since there's no > standard on how pattern chaining should be expressed in a Standard MIDI > File (despite some work being done by the SMF Looping/Branching Working > Group), I chose text events so they could be edited in most any > sequencer and hopefully not be stripped out like a sequencer specific > message. > > -Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-01-10 by David DeciBel
the only problem i have had is exporting midi files. i haven't tried the posted solution yet, but will go for it soon... ----- Original Message ----- From: <erik_magrini@...> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [xl7] Stop step > What issues are you having with SX? I use it daily, maybe I could help? > > rEalm > > > > > > > "David DeciBel" <spec@...> > 01/09/03 04:21 PM > Please respond to xl7 > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [xl7] Stop step > > > Is there a good sequencer that I could use to edit these smf files? > Preferably a FREEWARE one. Cubase SX is not really working for me > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Eppolito" <synthesis77@...> > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [xl7] Stop step > > > > --- erik_magrini@... wrote: > > > Interesting I didn't know that the text messages appeared in SX's > > > List Editor (shows how much I use that outside of exporting sysex!) > > > > Yeah, that was the idea of using text events. Since there's no > > standard on how pattern chaining should be expressed in a Standard MIDI > > File (despite some work being done by the SMF Looping/Branching Working > > Group), I chose text events so they could be edited in most any > > sequencer and hopefully not be stripped out like a sequencer specific > > message. > > > > -Aaron > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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