Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

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From: Jonathan El-Bizri

To: seanw@...

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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:11 PM

Subject: The discount ROM deal...

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Hi Sean,

 

    Under the Command Station discount deal, would I be able to purchase an MP-7 ROM for my XL-7? Pretty Please? :>

 

Jonathan El-Bizri

The MP-7 ROM is the Pure Phatt ROM, which is available separately, so 
I assume the ROM deal would apply to the Pure Phatt the same as any 
other ROM.  I'm looking to get the Beat Garden ROM with the deal, 
which I hear should be released any time now.

John

--- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
>     Under the Command Station discount deal, would I be able to 
purchase an MP-7 ROM for my XL-7? Pretty Please? :>
> 
> Jonathan El-Bizri

John,

I think what Jonathan was talking about is a seperate ROM.  The 
marketing specs(pdf)on the **-7's say that is has the X-Lead and Pure 
Phatt ROM's in the respective units but how is that possible?  If you 
look at the Pure Phatt and X-Lead specs(bank list), you see that 
there are BEATs on those ROM's.  There are no BEAT's on the **-7's, 
just kits to use in pattern mode.  I think they are using the same 
waveforms and instuments but if you have played around with them 
both, P1K vs **-7, you will see a difference in the presets(some, not 
all though).  That is why they(E-MU)offered the XL-1 and Mo'Phatt 
banks separate because of this.  

Later,

M2




--- In xl7@y..., "John Walsh" <jawalsh@i...> wrote:
> The MP-7 ROM is the Pure Phatt ROM, which is available separately, 
so 
> I assume the ROM deal would apply to the Pure Phatt the same as any 
> other ROM.  I'm looking to get the Beat Garden ROM with the deal, 
> which I hear should be released any time now.
> 
> John
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Sean,
> > 
> >     Under the Command Station discount deal, would I be able to 
> purchase an MP-7 ROM for my XL-7? Pretty Please? :>
> > 
> > Jonathan El-Bizri

--- In xl7@y..., "M2" <mmcquay@m...> wrote:
> John,
> 
> I think what Jonathan was talking about is a seperate ROM.  
The 
> marketing specs(pdf)on the **-7's say that is has the X-Lead 
and Pure 
> Phatt ROM's in the respective units but how is that possible?  If 
you 
> look at the Pure Phatt and X-Lead specs(bank list), you see 
that 
> there are BEATs on those ROM's.  There are no BEAT's on the 
**-7's, 
> just kits to use in pattern mode.  I think they are using the 
same 
> waveforms and instuments but if you have played around with 
them 
> both, P1K vs **-7, you will see a difference in the 
presets(some, not 
> all though).  That is why they(E-MU)offered the XL-1 and 
Mo'Phatt 
> banks separate because of this.  

Beats in the P2K family are just glorified audition riffs.  The 
modules with SuperBeats have special triggered playback of this 
riffs.  If you plug in a ROM with beats/riffs in it they show up in the 
-7's riff selection list in the corresponding preset edit page.  At 
least this is how the 'Techno Synth Construction Yard' ROM 
worked.

I think the issue with the preset compatibility between the Mo 
Phatt ROM and the MP7 preset banks (or the XL-1 and the XL7 
set) had to do with the fact that the placement of the ROM 
sample sets as far as their instrument number (what is normally 
called a multisample) are different, so the patches all need to be 
slightly changed to account for this.  So you can get both the MP 
and XL sound set in any -7.

What is actual inside the corresponding -7 is the actual ROM 
used in the module, it is not a special ROM.

So, an enterprising person could in theory make a CL7 
(classical, using the orchestral), ZR-7 (using the ensoniq ROM), 
etc as the ROM that comes with the unit is not part of the -7's 
operating system.  Its just a stock Emu ROM card.

drK

obviously,still none is sure about the $200 less discount on 16/32mb 
flash roms....could any emu ppl answer this 4 us???
thx in advance....again.

--- In xl7@y..., drk@d... wrote:
> --- In xl7@y..., "M2" <mmcquay@m...> wrote:
> > John,
> > 
> > I think what Jonathan was talking about is a seperate ROM.  
> The 
> > marketing specs(pdf)on the **-7's say that is has the X-Lead 
> and Pure 
> > Phatt ROM's in the respective units but how is that possible?  If 
> you 
> > look at the Pure Phatt and X-Lead specs(bank list), you see 
> that 
> > there are BEATs on those ROM's.  There are no BEAT's on the 
> **-7's, 
> > just kits to use in pattern mode.  I think they are using the 
> same 
> > waveforms and instuments but if you have played around with 
> them 
> > both, P1K vs **-7, you will see a difference in the 
> presets(some, not 
> > all though).  That is why they(E-MU)offered the XL-1 and 
> Mo'Phatt 
> > banks separate because of this.  
> 
> Beats in the P2K family are just glorified audition riffs.  The 
> modules with SuperBeats have special triggered playback of this 
> riffs.  If you plug in a ROM with beats/riffs in it they show up in 
the 
> -7's riff selection list in the corresponding preset edit page.  At 
> least this is how the 'Techno Synth Construction Yard' ROM 
> worked.
> 
> I think the issue with the preset compatibility between the Mo 
> Phatt ROM and the MP7 preset banks (or the XL-1 and the XL7 
> set) had to do with the fact that the placement of the ROM 
> sample sets as far as their instrument number (what is normally 
> called a multisample) are different, so the patches all need to be 
> slightly changed to account for this.  So you can get both the MP 
> and XL sound set in any -7.
> 
> What is actual inside the corresponding -7 is the actual ROM 
> used in the module, it is not a special ROM.
> 
> So, an enterprising person could in theory make a CL7 
> (classical, using the orchestral), ZR-7 (using the ensoniq ROM), 
> etc as the ROM that comes with the unit is not part of the -7's 
> operating system.  Its just a stock Emu ROM card.
> 
> drK

From E-MU's Website: Note sentence # 2
XL-1 Preset Banks for Your XL-7

These four banks are from the XTREME LEAD Sound Module. {WE HAVE 
CONVERTED THE ID OF THESE XL-1 PRESETS} to the new XL-7 ID. These new 
banks are saved as Standard MIDI Files. They will load into your RAM 
banks (0-3) of your XL-7. Before loading, make sure you back up or 
save any custom presets you have created. If your sequencer does not 
read the file after downloading from Netscape, rename the file 
extension to .mid.

--- In xl7@y..., drk@d... wrote:

>What is actual inside the corresponding -7 is the actual ROM 
>used in the module, it is not a special ROM.


Correct me if I'm wrong E-MU(Sean, Aaron, Scott) but what drK is 
saying is that the **-7 will automatically convert the BEATs to kits?

If that's the case, then why the need for the new ID? 


--- In xl7@y..., drk@d... wrote:
> Beats in the P2K family are just glorified audition riffs.  The 
> modules with SuperBeats have special triggered playback of this 
> riffs.  If you plug in a ROM with beats/riffs in it they show up in 
the 
> -7's riff selection list in the corresponding preset edit page.  At 
> least this is how the 'Techno Synth Construction Yard' ROM 
> worked.
> 
> I think the issue with the preset compatibility between the Mo 
> Phatt ROM and the MP7 preset banks (or the XL-1 and the XL7 
> set) had to do with the fact that the placement of the ROM 
> sample sets as far as their instrument number (what is normally 
> called a multisample) are different, so the patches all need to be 
> slightly changed to account for this.  So you can get both the MP 
> and XL sound set in any -7.
> 
> What is actual inside the corresponding -7 is the actual ROM 
> used in the module, it is not a special ROM.
> 
> So, an enterprising person could in theory make a CL7 
> (classical, using the orchestral), ZR-7 (using the ensoniq ROM), 
> etc as the ROM that comes with the unit is not part of the -7's 
> operating system.  Its just a stock Emu ROM card.
> 
> drK

--- In xl7@y..., "M2" <mmcquay@m...> wrote:
> From E-MU's Website: Note sentence # 2
> XL-1 Preset Banks for Your XL-7
> 
> These four banks are from the XTREME LEAD Sound Module. 
{WE HAVE 
> CONVERTED THE ID OF THESE XL-1 PRESETS} to the new 
XL-7 ID. These new 
> banks are saved as Standard MIDI Files. They will load into 
your RAM 
> banks (0-3) of your XL-7. Before loading, make sure you back 
up or 
> save any custom presets you have created. If your sequencer 
does not 
> read the file after downloading from Netscape, rename the file 
> extension to .mid.
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., drk@d... wrote:
> 
> >What is actual inside the corresponding -7 is the actual ROM 
> >used in the module, it is not a special ROM.
> 
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong E-MU(Sean, Aaron, Scott) but what drK 
is 
> saying is that the **-7 will automatically convert the BEATs to 
kits?
> 
> If that's the case, then why the need for the new ID? 
> 
> 
I think you misunderstood me, or I was not clear in my 
explaination.  BEATS and kits are not the same thing, either in 
the -7 or the P2K family.  BEATS are sequences of note events 
triggering a given sample set.  These sequences are for the 
most part indistinguishable from audition riffs used to audition 
the corresponding kits.  Unfortunately the -7 does not have the 
ability to trigger more than one audition, and hence riff at a time 
and can not do "Super Beats" things.

At least that's my understanding.

drK

Does anyone know te actual SRP of the ROM boards? I understand the discount deal is $200 off, and the EMU site has some
boards listed at around $200.
If I wanted the World Board, for example, does that mean (using the EMU web site listed price) that the board would be
only  $79 with discount??

Scratching my head,

John Hunter
Black Lotus Sound

--- In xl7@y..., drk@d... wrote:
> I think you misunderstood me, or I was not clear in my 
> explaination.  BEATS and kits are not the same thing, either in 
> the -7 or the P2K family.  BEATS are sequences of note events 
> triggering a given sample set.  These sequences are for the 
> most part indistinguishable from audition riffs used to audition 
> the corresponding kits.  Unfortunately the -7 does not have the 
> ability to trigger more than one audition, and hence riff at a time 
> and can not do "Super Beats" things.
> 
> At least that's my understanding.
> 
> drK

No I understood your perfectly clear and since I have both a P2K and 
P1K's, I know the difference between the BEATs and kits.  I had 
posted on the XL-1 group to Sean about supplying owners of the XL-1, 
some of the presets, mostly some of the new patterns and kits 
available for download for the XL-1 users.  His reply was that it was 
easier to convert the ID's from a XL-1 to an XL-7 rather than the 
other way around.  Been there done that.


Later,

M2

This is interesting.  Most of the ROMs on E-Mu's site used to be 
priced at $349-$399.  They now all appear to be $279-$289.  It's 
great to see these prices come down, especially if the $200 discount 
applies to the new prices.  I wonder if this means the street price 
from dealers will be even lower than the prices at E-Mu's site.  
Also, will upcoming ROMs, such as the Beat Garden ROM be released at 
this new $279-$289 price point?  I assume Sean will jump in here with 
some information on these price changes for us.

--- In xl7@y..., John Hunter <blacklotus@c...> wrote:
> Does anyone know te actual SRP of the ROM boards? I understand the 
discount deal is $200 off, and the EMU site has some
> boards listed at around $200.
> If I wanted the World Board, for example, does that mean (using the 
EMU web site listed price) that the board would be
> only  $79 with discount??
> 
> Scratching my head,
> 
> John Hunter
> Black Lotus Sound

my dealer said emu won't give good price to them,so they can only 
offer me $10-$20 less on a board or cd-rom....no big difference from 
official emu prices.

--- In xl7@y..., "John Walsh" <jawalsh@i...> wrote:
> This is interesting.  Most of the ROMs on E-Mu's site used to be 
> priced at $349-$399.  They now all appear to be $279-$289.  It's 
> great to see these prices come down, especially if the $200 
discount 
> applies to the new prices.  I wonder if this means the street price 
> from dealers will be even lower than the prices at E-Mu's site.  
> Also, will upcoming ROMs, such as the Beat Garden ROM be released 
at 
> this new $279-$289 price point?  I assume Sean will jump in here 
with 
> some information on these price changes for us.
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., John Hunter <blacklotus@c...> wrote:
> > Does anyone know te actual SRP of the ROM boards? I understand 
the 
> discount deal is $200 off, and the EMU site has some
> > boards listed at around $200.
> > If I wanted the World Board, for example, does that mean (using 
the 
> EMU web site listed price) that the board would be
> > only  $79 with discount??
> > 
> > Scratching my head,
> > 
> > John Hunter
> > Black Lotus Sound

Well, this was a bit of a shock to see this. The lower prices on our web
site were posted without approval and will be changed back. Sorry, but
the prices will remain at $349-$399 US retail. 

sean at e-mu / ensoniq

John Walsh wrote:
> 
> This is interesting.  Most of the ROMs on E-Mu's site used to be
> priced at $349-$399.  They now all appear to be $279-$289.  It's
> great to see these prices come down, especially if the $200 discount
> applies to the new prices.  I wonder if this means the street price
> from dealers will be even lower than the prices at E-Mu's site.
> Also, will upcoming ROMs, such as the Beat Garden ROM be released at
> this new $279-$289 price point?  I assume Sean will jump in here with
> some information on these price changes for us.
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., John Hunter <blacklotus@c...> wrote:
> > Does anyone know te actual SRP of the ROM boards? I understand the
> discount deal is $200 off, and the EMU site has some
> > boards listed at around $200.
> > If I wanted the World Board, for example, does that mean (using the
> EMU web site listed price) that the board would be
> > only  $79 with discount??
> >
> > Scratching my head,
> >
> > John Hunter
> > Black Lotus Sound
> 
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