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Hello all,

it is clear that I am a XL-7 newbie that started sequencing with it 
extensively today! Therefore I have another question that is not 
solved by reading the manual. I have a nice pattern that I want to 
convert to a song. The only thing I have to do to make  a song out 
of the pattern is let the pattern run for a lot of times and do some 
track mutes and un-mutes when I need them. Very simple procedure but 
I can't seem to get it done on the Xl7??

Is it possible?

If you are not going to be changing patterns within the song. You 
could stay in pattern mode and set the Knobs to volume control, or 
just mute the tracks via the track buttons. Which could get confusing 
if you get distracted. I like the volume knobs for the simple live 
thing. But if I am playing guitar. I don't have a lot of free time or 
hands to be tweaking and pushing.

Hold out to hear what the gurus in  the group have to offer.

-Greg


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "synthman2003 <rgerards@h...>" 
<rgerards@h...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> it is clear that I am a XL-7 newbie that started sequencing with it 
> extensively today! Therefore I have another question that is not 
> solved by reading the manual. I have a nice pattern that I want to 
> convert to a song. The only thing I have to do to make  a song out 
> of the pattern is let the pattern run for a lot of times and do 
some 
> track mutes and un-mutes when I need them. Very simple procedure 
but 

> I can't seem to get it done on the Xl7??
> 
> Is it possible?

On 12/31/02 1:39 PM, "synthman2003 <rgerards@...>" <rgerards@...>
wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> it is clear that I am a XL-7 newbie that started sequencing with it
> extensively today! Therefore I have another question that is not
> solved by reading the manual. I have a nice pattern that I want to
> convert to a song. The only thing I have to do to make  a song out
> of the pattern is let the pattern run for a lot of times and do some
> track mutes and un-mutes when I need them. Very simple procedure but
> I can't seem to get it done on the Xl7??
> 
> Is it possible?

Unfortunately not at the song-level using real-time record.

drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

Yet?  :)

rEalm

> 
> Unfortunately not at the song-level using real-time record.
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com

You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are at least one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns one after another for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as far as I can tell). If you can manage your song with track mutes of at least a whole bar you can do exactly what you are asking. You just insert that pattern over and over in it's varied form until you have what you want. You may have to pencil it out as it is easy to get lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in the manual under Song Record Modes.   -S
 drK <drk@...> wrote:On 12/31/02 1:39 PM, "synthman2003 <rgerards@...>" <rgerards@...>
wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> it is clear that I am a XL-7 newbie that started sequencing with it
> extensively today! Therefore I have another question that is not
> solved by reading the manual. I have a nice pattern that I want to
> convert to a song. The only thing I have to do to make  a song out
> of the pattern is let the pattern run for a lot of times and do some
> track mutes and un-mutes when I need them. Very simple procedure but
> I can't seem to get it done on the Xl7??
> 
> Is it possible?

Unfortunately not at the song-level using real-time record.

drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com



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I think his point was trying to record the mutes live.
I really wish the xx-7's had this ability too.




> You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are 
at least one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns 
one after another for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as 
far as I can tell). If you can manage your song with track mutes of 
at least a whole bar you can do exactly what you are asking. You just 
insert that pattern over and over in it's varied form until you have 
what you want. You may have to pencil it out as it is easy to get 
lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in the manual 
under Song Record Modes.   -S
]

Yea...It could be easier couldn't it?   Scott 
 "jesse_medway <medway808@...>" <medway808@...> wrote:
I think his point was trying to record the mutes live.
I really wish the xx-7's had this ability too.




> You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are 
at least one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns 
one after another for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as 
far as I can tell). If you can manage your song with track mutes of 
at least a whole bar you can do exactly what you are asking. You just 
insert that pattern over and over in it's varied form until you have 
what you want. You may have to pencil it out as it is easy to get 
lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in the manual 
under Song Record Modes.   -S
]


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I would LIKE to see the ability to insert patterns and be able to START them
where you want (measure)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Chiaravalloti" <chiaravallotis@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] realtime track mutes recording in song mode


>
> You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are at least
one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns one after another
for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as far as I can tell). If
you can manage your song with track mutes of at least a whole bar you can do
exactly what you are asking. You just insert that pattern over and over in
it's varied form until you have what you want. You may have to pencil it out
as it is easy to get lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in
the manual under Song Record Modes.   -S
>  drK <drk@...> wrote:On 12/31/02 1:39 PM, "synthman2003
<rgerards@...>" <rgerards@...>

> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > it is clear that I am a XL-7 newbie that started sequencing with it
> > extensively today! Therefore I have another question that is not
> > solved by reading the manual. I have a nice pattern that I want to
> > convert to a song. The only thing I have to do to make  a song out
> > of the pattern is let the pattern run for a lot of times and do some
> > track mutes and un-mutes when I need them. Very simple procedure but
> > I can't seem to get it done on the Xl7??
> >
> > Is it possible?
>
> Unfortunately not at the song-level using real-time record.
>
> drk
>
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com
>
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "realm619 <erik_magrini@B...>" 
<erik_magrini@B...> wrote:
> Yet?  :)
> 
> rEalm
> 

Ya rEalm I would love to see this as well and I do know that it is 
not a new request.  Boy that would be sweet!!

Mike G.

> > 
> > Unfortunately not at the song-level using real-time record.
> > 
> > drk
> > 
> > www.delora.com/music
> > www.mp3.com/zdrk
> > drk.iuma.com

indeed, that was my point, when I have a pattern with a lenght of 8 bars it is not convenient to make seperate "break" pattern of one bar just to be able to mute the bass drum or something for 1 bar, that sucks, I just want live realtime mute recording favourably with a quantise ability so you can straight everything out in case you missed a mute by a millisecond!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jesse_medway <medway808@...> 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:56 PM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: realtime track mutes recording in song mode



  I think his point was trying to record the mutes live.
  I really wish the xx-7's had this ability too.




  > You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are 
  at least one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns 
  one after another for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as 
  far as I can tell). If you can manage your song with track mutes of 
  at least a whole bar you can do exactly what you are asking. You just 
  insert that pattern over and over in it's varied form until you have 
  what you want. You may have to pencil it out as it is easy to get 
  lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in the manual 
  under Song Record Modes.   -S
  ]


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If you could trim an entire pattern easily...it would be a workaround.  
But I don't think you can do that either, can you?

Like an 8 bar pattern...make it start at bar 6 and end at 8....etc.

On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 12:48 PM, Ruud Gerards wrote:

> indeed, that was my point, when I have a pattern with a lenght of 8 
> bars it is not convenient to make seperate "break" pattern of one bar 
> just to be able to mute the bass drum or something for 1 bar, that 
> sucks, I just want live realtime mute recording favourably with a 
> quantise ability so you can straight everything out in case you missed 
> a mute by a millisecond!
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jesse_medway <medway808@...>
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:56 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] Re: realtime track mutes recording in song mode
>
>
>
>   I think his point was trying to record the mutes live.
>   I really wish the xx-7's had this ability too.
>
>
>
>
>> You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are
>   at least one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns
>   one after another for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as
>   far as I can tell). If you can manage your song with track mutes of
>   at least a whole bar you can do exactly what you are asking. You just
>   insert that pattern over and over in it's varied form until you have
>   what you want. You may have to pencil it out as it is easy to get
>   lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in the manual
>   under Song Record Modes.   -S
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You don't have to, you can specify a shorter pattern length for each Song 
Step.  So if you have an 8 bar pattern, you can specify that it should 
only play the first bar before going to the next pattern step.

rEalm





"Ruud Gerards" <rgerards@...>
01/02/03 11:48 AM
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        To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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        Subject:        Re: [xl7] Re: realtime track mutes recording in song mode


indeed, that was my point, when I have a pattern with a lenght of 8 bars 
it is not convenient to make seperate "break" pattern of one bar just to 
be able to mute the bass drum or something for 1 bar, that sucks, I just 
want live realtime mute recording favourably with a quantise ability so 
you can straight everything out in case you missed a mute by a 
millisecond!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jesse_medway <medway808@...> 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:56 PM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: realtime track mutes recording in song mode



  I think his point was trying to record the mutes live.
  I really wish the xx-7's had this ability too.




  > You can create your song as long as those track mutes/unmutes are 
  at least one bar in length. In song record mode you insert patterns 
  one after another for any duration you like, but at least one bar (as 
  far as I can tell). If you can manage your song with track mutes of 
  at least a whole bar you can do exactly what you are asking. You just 
  insert that pattern over and over in it's varied form until you have 
  what you want. You may have to pencil it out as it is easy to get 
  lost a couple hundred bars down the line. Definetly in the manual 
  under Song Record Modes.   -S
  ]


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Sure but what if you wanted the kick to come out on the
second measure?  If you just make a 2 measure pattern
then start it again with the kick out then the whole
pattern has to start from the 1 again, not good if you
have something like an 8 measure pattern and you want
tracks coming in and out during that one loop.  Better
to just have real time mute record.  They could be stored
as an event in the song track and there could be a setting
telling whether or not they have priority over the normal
mutes.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> You don't have to, you can specify a shorter pattern length for 
each Song 
> Step.  So if you have an 8 bar pattern, you can specify that it 
should 
> only play the first bar before going to the next pattern step.
> 
> rEalm
> 
been removed]

I agree with you fully

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "jesse_medway <medway808@h...>" 
<medway808@h...> wrote:

> 
> Sure but what if you wanted the kick to come out on the
> second measure?  If you just make a 2 measure pattern
> then start it again with the kick out then the whole
> pattern has to start from the 1 again, not good if you
> have something like an 8 measure pattern and you want
> tracks coming in and out during that one loop.  Better
> to just have real time mute record.  They could be stored
> as an event in the song track and there could be a setting
> telling whether or not they have priority over the normal
> mutes.
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > You don't have to, you can specify a shorter pattern length for 
> each Song 
> > Step.  So if you have an 8 bar pattern, you can specify that it 
> should 
> > only play the first bar before going to the next pattern step.
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> been removed]

Oh, I definitely agree it would be better to have real time mutes, don't 
get me wrong!  :)  I was just telling him that you don't ahve to edit your 
patterns to make them shorter in song mode, albeit as long as you don't 
mind using the first bar of the pattern every time  :)

rEalm






"jesse_medway <medway808@...>" <medway808
01/06/03 01:39 PM
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        Subject:        [xl7] Re: realtime track mutes recording in song mode



Sure but what if you wanted the kick to come out on the
second measure?  If you just make a 2 measure pattern
then start it again with the kick out then the whole
pattern has to start from the 1 again, not good if you
have something like an 8 measure pattern and you want
tracks coming in and out during that one loop.  Better
to just have real time mute record.  They could be stored
as an event in the song track and there could be a setting
telling whether or not they have priority over the normal
mutes.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> You don't have to, you can specify a shorter pattern length for 
each Song 
> Step.  So if you have an 8 bar pattern, you can specify that it 
should 
> only play the first bar before going to the next pattern step.
> 
> rEalm
> 
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