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Jumpy numbers

Jumpy numbers

2002-12-07 by Bill Kocher <billyk@insightbb.com>

The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or patterns jump 
around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. Then I 
have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I am going. 
Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?

Re: [xl7] Jumpy numbers

2002-12-08 by David DeciBel

I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV TUNER cleanning
solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?


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Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers


> The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or patterns jump
> around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. Then I
> have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I am going.
> Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-10 by Bill Kocher <billyk@insightbb.com>

I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I think 
recalibrating is the key. 
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV TUNER 
cleanning
> solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <billyk@i...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> 
> 
> > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or patterns jump
> > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. Then 
I
> > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I am 
going.
> > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> >
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Re: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-11 by David DeciBel

Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm bringing it in
tomorrow...


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Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers


> I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I think
> recalibrating is the key.
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV TUNER
> cleanning
> > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <billyk@i...>
> > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> >
> >
> > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or patterns jump
> > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. Then
> I
> > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I am
> going.
> > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> > >
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-11 by nifflas <nifflas@musician.org>

I suspect this is a very common problem with the XX-7's , my last XL-
7 did it, I sent it in and they repleaced it with a new XL-7. After a 
couple of months my new machine started to do it again.

Might be some problems about the XX-7 hardware itself. Also, some 
buttons is getting bad. When I buy the MC-909, I will use the XL-7 as 
sound module only, then I will not suffer much from the weird data 
wheel and buttons.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm 
bringing it in
> tomorrow...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <billyk@i...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:03 PM
> Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers
> 
> 
> > I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I think
> > recalibrating is the key.
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV TUNER
> > cleanning
> > > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> > >
> > >
> > > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or patterns 
jump
> > > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. 
Then
> > I
> > > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I am
> > going.
> > > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> > > >
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-11 by alvinenglish <alvin.english@eudoramail.c

I had the jumping numbers a couple of times, but it went away after
rebooting the MP-7.  I can't readily duplicate the problem.  I assume
it is an operating system issue -- maybe it will go away in the next
version.

     Alvin



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm
bringing it in
> tomorrow...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <billyk@i...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:03 PM
> Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers
> 
> 
> > I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I think
> > recalibrating is the key.
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV TUNER
> > cleanning
> > > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> > >
> > >
> > > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or patterns jump
> > > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. Then
> > I
> > > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I am
> > going.
> > > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> > > >
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-11 by M2 <mmcquay@suscom.net>

Billy,

Here was a message in the archives from September.  

From:  "emufreak1" <mmcquay@m...> 
Date:  Sun Sep 8, 2002  3:31 pm
Subject:  Re: My XL-7 is getting weird...


Nifflas,

There is a device connected to the data wheel called an encoder. 
That is what's going bad. What I do on mine is to apply slight 
pressure on the indentation(on the wheel)while turning in either 
direction. That eliminates the jumping for me.

Later, 

M2
 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "nifflas <nifflas@m...>" <nifflas@m...> 
wrote:
> I suspect this is a very common problem with the XX-7's , my last 
XL-
> 7 did it, I sent it in and they repleaced it with a new XL-7. 
After a 
> couple of months my new machine started to do it again.
> 
> Might be some problems about the XX-7 hardware itself. Also, some 
> buttons is getting bad. When I buy the MC-909, I will use the XL-7 
as 
> sound module only, then I will not suffer much from the weird data 
> wheel and buttons.
> 
> //Nifflas
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm 
> bringing it in
> > tomorrow...
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <billyk@i...>
> > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:03 PM
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers
> > 
> > 
> > > I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I 
think
> > > recalibrating is the key.
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV 
TUNER
> > > cleanning
> > > > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or 
patterns 
> jump
> > > > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back 
numbers. 
> Then
> > > I
> > > > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I 
am
> > > going.
> > > > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion 
roms?
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-11 by M2 <mmcquay@suscom.net>

Alvin,

It is not an OS issue, it is the encoder.  Refer to the message that 
was posted earlier.......
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/5698

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "alvinenglish <alvin.english@e...>" 
<alvin.english@e...> wrote:
> I had the jumping numbers a couple of times, but it went away after
> rebooting the MP-7.  I can't readily duplicate the problem.  I 
assume
> it is an operating system issue -- maybe it will go away in the next
> version.
> 
>      Alvin
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm
> bringing it in
> > tomorrow...
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <billyk@i...>
> > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:03 PM
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers
> > 
> > 
> > > I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I 
think
> > > recalibrating is the key.
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV 
TUNER
> > > cleanning
> > > > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or 
patterns jump
> > > > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. 
Then
> > > I
> > > > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I 
am
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > going.
> > > > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-11 by alvinenglish <alvin.english@eudoramail.c

M2,
    I see your point.  I have a different problem with the system.




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "M2 <mmcquay@s...>" <mmcquay@s...> wrote:
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> Alvin,
> 
> It is not an OS issue, it is the encoder.  Refer to the message that 
> was posted earlier.......
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/5698
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "alvinenglish <alvin.english@e...>" 
> <alvin.english@e...> wrote:
> > I had the jumping numbers a couple of times, but it went away after
> > rebooting the MP-7.  I can't readily duplicate the problem.  I 
> assume
> > it is an operating system issue -- maybe it will go away in the next
> > version.
> > 
> >      Alvin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm
> > bringing it in
> > > tomorrow...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I 
> think
> > > > recalibrating is the key.
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > > > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV 
> TUNER
> > > > cleanning
> > > > > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or 
> patterns jump
> > > > > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers. 
> Then
> > > > I
> > > > > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I 
> am
> > > > going.
> > > > > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-12 by David DeciBel

I have the fortunate convenience of having a good friend that happens to be
one of the best techs in the midwest.  he looked at the encoder and jiggled
it and said "looks like a piece of crap encoder..." - he said that basically
it's cheaply made and so on.  We sprayed some sort of lube on it which
didn't really help.  Now I don't know if he's just kinda second guessing or
what, but I would like to get this fixed...  My unit is no longer under
waranty.  Anyone know of a way to get a better quality encoder?  EMU peeps?
I wouldn't want to replace it knowing that it might go out again in 6
months...

Thanks...  Everything else is great...
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From: <mmcquay@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers


> Alvin,
>
> It is not an OS issue, it is the encoder.  Refer to the message that
> was posted earlier.......
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/5698
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "alvinenglish <alvin.english@e...>"
> <alvin.english@e...> wrote:
> > I had the jumping numbers a couple of times, but it went away after
> > rebooting the MP-7.  I can't readily duplicate the problem.  I
> assume
> > it is an operating system issue -- maybe it will go away in the next
> > version.
> >
> >      Alvin
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > Not mine...It's been doing it for about 4 months now..   I'm
> > bringing it in
> > > tomorrow...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think in started happening after I started adding roms. I
> think
> > > > recalibrating is the key.
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
> > > > > I am having the same problem.  I think I will try Some TV
> TUNER
> > > > cleanning
> > > > > solution . .   Or maybe RuBBING ALCOHOL - ANY THOUGHTS?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <billyk@i...>
> > > > > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: [xl7] Jumpy numbers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The numbers on my main screen wether its presets or
> patterns jump
> > > > > > around when I am using the dial. It will jump back numbers.
> Then
> > > > I
> > > > > > have to slow down to a really slow speed to get to where I
> am
> > > > going.
> > > > > > Do I have to recalibrate. I did get a couple expansion roms?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-12 by gongvibe <edmann@paiste.com>

Friends -

for the record (at least from my experience) the jumpy numbers thing is 
the wheel/encoder, not the OS. I had those replaced on my P2k and E4 - 
however - that was only after several years of heavy use. Not so bad 
really. Mechanical stuff wears out. Get it replaced and you should have 
no problems for a long time.

However - this is the reason that I harp on the playpads-as-numeric-
keypad OS option = an alternative way of entering values if the wheel 
goes down.

peace and goodwill

gv


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "David DeciBel" <spec@s...> wrote:
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> I have the fortunate convenience of having a good friend that happens to be
> one of the best techs in the midwest.  he looked at the encoder and jiggled
> it and said "looks like a piece of crap encoder..." - he said that basically
> it's cheaply made and so on.  We sprayed some sort of lube on it which
> didn't really help.  Now I don't know if he's just kinda second guessing or
> what, but I would like to get this fixed...  My unit is no longer under
> waranty.  Anyone know of a way to get a better quality encoder?  EMU peeps?
> I wouldn't want to replace it knowing that it might go out again in 6
> months...

Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-12 by nifflas <nifflas@musician.org>

>However - this is the reason that I harp on the playpads-as-numeric-
keypad OS option = an alternative way of entering values if the wheel 
goes down.

An alternative way of entering values would be [---------THIS---------
] important for me, because my data wheel is really bad right now!! 
Please include this in the next OS!

//Nifflas

Re: [xl7] Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-12 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

I know what you're referring to with your idea, and think its a good one. 
Keep in mind though that the key pads already to work as an alpha-numeric 
entry method when you are in any naming field.   Use the transpose buttons 
to access more numbers and letters.

Just a heads up for those that may bot have realized this.

rEalm




However - this is the reason that I harp on the playpads-as-numeric-
keypad OS option = an alternative way of entering values if the wheel 
goes down.









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Re: Jumpy numbers

2002-12-12 by gongvibe <edmann@paiste.com>

Thanks rEalm - 

but again just to be clear (even for my own understanding) the function 
that you refer to is for naming only - the alphnumeric keypad thing as 
it is currently employed will not work for entering parameter values.(? 
correct?)

I would love to see this: hitting 2 buttons (tba - for ex. Track/enable 
+ Preset or?) simultaneously changes playpads C - A to 0-9; A# is (-); 
B is (+) and high C is ENTER - which also functions as EXIT 
alphanumeric mode and return to playpad mode.

The E4 has the backup option of being able to plug in a QWERTY keyboard 
as an alternative to the wheel. But the Command stations have those 
great pads just waiting to be fully exploited.

Just a thought - but a lifesaver if the wheel goes down at the wrong 
time - and a much easier way of switching patterns for live use (you 
come to understand intuitively that (C-E-E + hi C) means "044" etc.

But hey I am not complaining - I LOVE the XL7 it is a killer machine 
that I am sure will continue to improve with time.

gv
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> I know what you're referring to with your idea, and think its a good one. 
> Keep in mind though that the key pads already to work as an alpha-numeric 
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