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MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-13 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

I've recently purchased the MP-7 and I want to download the latest OS. I've 
installed the latest version of E-Loader but can't get the PC to recognize 
the command station. What is it that I need? I use a USB cable from the MP-7 
to the PC but I still can't get it to work. So I did some research on Emu's 
Knowledge base and did a little tweaking with Java but no luck. Can anyone 
help me out with this? It wasn't this hard with the ASR-X.

Majik


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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-13 by Aaron Eppolito

--- SmoovJazz29@... wrote:
> I use a USB cable from the MP-7 to the PC

You need to use good ol' MIDI to update your OS.  Make sure to connect
both the in and out ports to your computer.  Reboot the MP-7 holding
down Home/Enter.  This will put the unit in "OS Download" mode.

-Aaron

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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-13 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

Cool! But should I purchase a MIDI hub or can I use just the midi cable to 
hook up to the soundcard? I'm on a tight budget for right now after the MP-7 
puchase of $700. If so what's the best affordable MIDI hub?

Majik


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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-13 by Aaron Eppolito

You should be able to use the basic MIDI in/out on your soundcard. 
Make sure you select the sound card ports in E-loader.

-Aaron

--- SmoovJazz29@... wrote:
> Cool! But should I purchase a MIDI hub or can I use just the midi
> cable to hook up to the soundcard?

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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-13 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

Yeah? I've been tryin that for the longest but it just doesn't seem to pick 
it up. I'm using Windows XP and even when I use the USB it just tells me that 
"the hardware isn't recognized, try reconnecting the hardware or contact 
vendor." This is getting frustrating!


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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-13 by Aaron Eppolito

--- SmoovJazz29@... wrote:
> "the hardware isn't recognized, try reconnecting the hardware or
> contact vendor." This is getting frustrating!

Well, that's to be expected since you haven't installed the new OS or
USB drivers yet.  You won't have USB functionality until you update the
OS, and to do that, you'll need to use MIDI.  There's a electronic
manual included along with the E-loader application.  You should
probably take a look through that and if you still have problems, I'd
try calling E-mu service.

-Aaron

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Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by alvinenglish

I am probably the least experienced person in this group.  However, I
had a semilar problem.  What worked for me was not using my
midi-interface.  The EMU representative advised me to use a cheap midi
cable to connect the MP7 to the game port on the PC's sound
card...Hey, it worked.

   Alvin


--- In xl7@y..., SmoovJazz29@a... wrote:
> Yeah? I've been tryin that for the longest but it just doesn't seem
to pick 
> it up. I'm using Windows XP and even when I use the USB it just
tells me that 
> "the hardware isn't recognized, try reconnecting the hardware or
contact 
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Re: [xl7] Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

That's what I'm trying too! I connected straight to the game port but no 
luck. I setup the MIDI devices in the E-Loader as follows:
Input: MPU-401
Output: MPU-401
SysEx Device ID: 0
But doesn't seem to work. I even called the Emu Tech Support but it wasn't 
much help. I'm gonna keep trying because I want to enter the contest that 
everyone is in an uproar about. If anyone can help me out, please reply.

Majik


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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by Will Cook

Well, sounds like you need a couple of
things....the chain is only as strong as its weakest
link.  What you really need on your PC is a Sound
Blaster Audigy Platinum card(24bitDAC-$149.00 last
time I checked, I paid $199).
Copy this link to review and decide, scroll through
all pages on the bottom.
 [
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=audigyplatinum&page=5
]
It has come with a front sound controller dock which
puts midi ports on the front of your PC!! How
convienient.  It matches the specs on your
MP7/XL7....there is nothing worse than having
something 24bitDAC going down to 16 bit(regular sound
card capability)...so you already lose 8 bits worth of
quality before you even push record on your computer. 
I know that most people on this site don't realize
such shortcomings...but hey.  But when you compress
your audio files and master it correctly....only THEN
do you want to bump it down to 16bit(This happens when
you want to record audio on a CD).  Most, well...damn
near all cd players on earth can only read audio
recorded in 16bit format.  If you want one that can go
24-32 bit you are free to spend a grand or two on
one(Why in the hell someone would do that is still a
mystery).  But that is how you get the most crisp
sound from home PC's 101.  

But back to the USB MP7/XL7 mystery...You need to
upgrade your OS to get USB to work...but you need USB
to Upgrade THE DAMN OS...ARGGHHHHH!!  Kinda
frustrating to most....  Well, It doesn't work the way
we'd normally think.  We are just familiar with using
USB than we are midi on our computers.  Most people
won't get the luxury of getting plug and play features
by going to radioshack and simply buying the midi-PC
gameport adapter.  There is still another operation
you must perform(I believe).  You must go into Windows
and go to your Control Panel(Start-Settings-Control
Panel)...and then guess what....out of all those boxes
you should see one called "Gaming Options".  So if
your Midi device isn't working right off the bat...try
this.  Open Gaming Options...and it will look real
stupid to what you're trying to do cause you will see
nothing but joystick stuff....but wait!!!  There is a
button that says "Add Other"....click on that.  aYou
will see a list of devices to install in the box to
the left.  Scroll down until you see one that says
"Microsoft MCI", click on that.  Then a list in the
right side of the box will pop up with six or so items
to choose.  The one you want will say "Midi Sequencer
Device(Media Control)" click on next, etc, etc,
etc....and you will probably need you Windows OS cd to
complete that install.  Besides opening your A&B midi
port in your MP7 and Xl7, you should be able to
communicate after a PC reboot.  Thus allowing you to
use the slower midi connection to upgrade your OS,
Thus allowing you to install the USB drivers located
inside your new OS file folder....going back into
control panet into the "System" part...go into the
hardware configuration and update your drivers after
it detects a new USB device.
And please if you haven't plugged USB devices into
your PCs before(just by chance), please check your
BIOS settings to make sure that the USB function is
"Enabled"...it serves as a on/off light switch for
your USB....plugging devices in the USb doesn't
activate it...just think of it as you changing
bulbs...the real light switch is in your BIOS.
I hope that this article helped someone..

But I don't know everything...Peace,

Will...VABeach, VA[Mississippi is my hometown :)]

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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Well, sounds like you need a couple of things....the chain is only as 
strong as its weakestlink.  What you really need on your PC is a Sound 
Blaster Audigy Platinum card(24bitDAC-$149.00 last time I checked, I paid 
$199).

>>>If you're talking about weakest links I would NOT recommend any Sound 
Blaster cards for serious audio work.  For close to that price you could 
get an Echo Mia and a M-Audio (Midiman) Midisport 1x1, which would give 
much better audio specs, not too mention good ASIO WDM drivers too.  Heck, 
even the M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 will give you audio and midi with good 
drivers for only $149.  Sound Blaster cards are ok, but you can certainly 
get a MUCH better card for the same or slightly more price. <<<

It has come with a front sound controller dock which puts midi ports on 
the front of your PC!! How convienient.

>>>Only if you like staring at cables :) <<<

Most, well...damn near all cd players on earth can only read audio 
recorded in 16bit format.  If you want one that can go 24-32 bit you are 
free to spend a grand or two on one

>>>Which CD players are capable of playing 24 bit CDs?  And how do you 
create a 24 bit audio CD? <<<

But back to the USB MP7/XL7 mystery...You need to upgrade your OS to get 
USB to work...but you need USB
to Upgrade THE DAMN OS...ARGGHHHHH!!  Kinda frustrating to most.... 

>>>NO, as has been stated here many times over the last few days, you can 
ONLY update the OS currently by using the MIDI ports  The USB functions of 
both E-Loader and your current XX-7 OS will only support transfers of 
pattern and song data. <<<

And please if you haven't plugged USB devices into your PCs before(just by 
chance), please check your BIOS settings to make sure that the USB 
function is "Enabled"...it serves as a on/off light switch for your USB.

>>>Just so people know before they start playing with their BIOS settings, 
the default for almost all motherboards is ON, so you shouldn't need to 
mess with this. <<<

rEalm







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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by Will Cook

You can create a cd with 24 bit sound by simply
saving your wav pattern at this range...not all
programs are capable...for instance fruity loops I
believe is capable you just have to change your save
settings from the defaulted 16 bit to 24 bit....and
the cd players I speak of are rare.  But you can check
out these special order ones....Crap they had one
listed for over 4 GRAND!  Check this link out! Check
out the Signal to Noise ratio specs it is called a
"Crane Home Theater" <100 nanoseconds; DYNAMIC RANGE: 
130 dB; NOISE FLOOR: < -135 dB; THD+N:.006; SIGNAL TO
NOISE RATIO: 130  dB; CHANNEL SEPARATION: >130 dB 
Christ!!!  Link Below

[http://www.audioweb.com/Store/StoreItem.asp?storeitemid=907]

We can all learn from this....look at those specs. 
But this is no magic, once you save audio wav samples
at that rate, their file size doubles/triples
depending on what bit rate you translate to...so a
average 14 song cd could only fit 7 tracks.   Oh, and
I was only referring the Audigy Platinum because of
its ease to get.  I know some people don't have a
great access to music shops...so if they wanted a card
that worked OK, I know that if they can find a
CompUSA, Best Buy, or Circuit City, they can get their
hands on one since some people still don't trust
online ordering.  And that is ONLY IF they wanted to
try a 24bit capable card VS a 16 bit only card that
they probably have now.

But 24 bit cd players as you can see, do exist....they
are just High priced as all to be damned!!

Stay cool Realm...Peace



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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC.. P.S. USB check

2002-11-14 by Will Cook

Oh, I also forgot to mention, alot of new PCs
including new Dell equipment is shipped from the
factory with USB disabled in the bios.  I know because
I work on them everyday.  I just went to someone's
house this weekend after hours of them raging over
that their damn external cd burner wouldn't work and
it was a piece of crap....and all they had to do was
check their bios, and sure enough....damn USB function
disabled.  And chances are if they didn't know that it
was disabled in the Bios...they sure as heck didn't do
it.  I see MANY manufacturers ship their MB bios USB
disabled...  I know it IS STUPID...and I don't know
why they do that.

Peace, 
Will

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Re: [xl7] MP-7 and the PC.. P.S. USB check

2002-11-14 by Will Cook

Oh, I also forgot to mention, alot of new PCs
including new Dell equipment is shipped from the
factory with USB disabled in the bios.  I know because
I work on them everyday.  I just went to someone's
house this weekend after hours of them raging over
that their damn external cd burner wouldn't work and
it was a piece of crap....and all they had to do was
check their bios, and sure enough....damn USB function
disabled.  And chances are if they didn't know that it
was disabled in the Bios...they sure as heck didn't do
it.  I see MANY manufacturers ship their MB bios USB
disabled...  I know it IS STUPID...and I don't know
why they do that.

Peace, 
Will

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Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Online ordering with a credit card is no more dangerous than using 
said credit card at a restaurant. Not to mention that by (US) 
Federal law you are only liable for up to $50 for fruad or stolen 
credit cards (and numbers) and that I think Visa and Mastercard, 
etc. advertise that they won't even make you pay that.

rEalm was right to point that out here, since advice is solicited 
and recieved, it is best that the whole picture is painted for such 
an important part of electronic music--soundcard! 

This is list for pro musical instruments. The assumption being that 
the users are pro, semi-pro or at least moving in that direction-
they somehow got to a music store or something to get the XX-7, at 
least. Therefore the same money is FAR better spent on an 
inexpensive but pro card than a soundblaster, even if one lives in 
timbuktu (or Libertyville IL. :) ) with a visa card.

Ravi



--- In xl7@y..., Will Cook <artsaber@y...> wrote:
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> Oh, and
> I was only referring the Audigy Platinum because of
> its ease to get.  I know some people don't have a
> great access to music shops...so if they wanted a card
> that worked OK, I know that if they can find a
> CompUSA, Best Buy, or Circuit City, they can get their
> hands on one since some people still don't trust
> online ordering.  And that is ONLY IF they wanted to
> try a 24bit capable card VS a 16 bit only card that
> they probably have now.
> 
> But 24 bit cd players as you can see, do exist....they
> are just High priced as all to be damned!!
> 
> Stay cool Realm...Peace
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [xl7] Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

rEalm was right to point that out here, since advice is solicited and 
recieved, it is best that the whole picture is painted for such an 
important part of electronic music--soundcard! 

>>>I'm saving this email, Ravi actually agreeing with me!  :) <<<<

Therefore the same money is FAR better spent on an inexpensive but pro 
card than a soundblaster, even if one lives in timbuktu (or Libertyville 
IL. :) ) with a visa card.

>>>We don't let Visa card users in Libertyville! <<<

rEalm




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Re: [xl7] Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

Well, I'm giving up. This isn't working for me! Guess i'll have to just go 
out and get a MIDI interface and or a new soundcard. I never thought that 
this would be so diffucult and expensive. Oh and by the way. I'm having a new 
problem with the MP-7. When I record a track (mainly strings) I get a long 
string tone that wasn't recorded at the beginning of the pattern. As the 
pattern loops back you don't hear it anymore. This isn't good for recording. 
Does anyone else have this problem?

Majik


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Re: [xl7] Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

This isn't working for me! Guess i'll have to just go out and get a MIDI 
interface and or a new soundcard. I never thought that this would be so 
diffucult and expensive. 

>>>Welcome to the joys of computers in the studio, eh? <><

I'm having a new problem with the MP-7. When I record a track (mainly 
strings) I get a long string tone that wasn't recorded at the beginning of 
the pattern. 

>>>Could be a stuck note, try holdiong down ENTER+MIDI at the same time. 
If it still happens, you may have too long note duration, I seem to recall 
this was an issues with earlier OS's.  Happened while recording with 
quantize turned on if I remember correctly.  Use Note Edit to see if the 
duration is like 96 quarter notes or something way too long like that. The 
Os update will probably fix this one for you. <<<

rEalm




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Re: MP-7 and the PC

2002-11-14 by ufound12

I dont know if this wll help but
here's how I deal with stubborn notes.

I add one or more control 123 (note off) to the end of the track
it seems to help clear the buffer

Joe


--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> This isn't working for me! Guess i'll have to just go out and get 
a MIDI 
> interface and or a new soundcard. I never thought that this would 
be so 
> diffucult and expensive. 
> 
> >>>Welcome to the joys of computers in the studio, eh? <><
> 
> I'm having a new problem with the MP-7. When I record a track 
(mainly 
> strings) I get a long string tone that wasn't recorded at the 
beginning of 
> the pattern. 
> 
> >>>Could be a stuck note, try holdiong down ENTER+MIDI at the same 
time. 
> If it still happens, you may have too long note duration, I seem 
to recall 
> this was an issues with earlier OS's.  Happened while recording 
with 
> quantize turned on if I remember correctly.  Use Note Edit to see 
if the 
> duration is like 96 quarter notes or something way too long like 
that. The 
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> Os update will probably fix this one for you. <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
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